What Sasuke fails to grasp.

[Romy9]

I've been thinking about his ideal and point of view. The fact of the matter is that he looks at Itachi and his suffering too one-sided and in past tense. Itachi sacrificed himself in such a manner because the system required it. The state of the shinobi system and overall level of empathy was too poorly constructed in terms of bonding and understanding other's needs and points of views.

Itachi knew there was no other way because there was no opportunity which would unite the world and make the progress of 5 nations growing as one. He saw that in Naruto which is why he left Sasuke to him.

Now, Sasuke fails to grasp this new scenario in which the world doesn't need a sacrificing puppet who would take all the hate that the nations would throw at one another. Because it's non-existent. The world, for the first time ever works together to get rid of the anomaly that threatens their lives. The world learned that in the face of sudden-death danger, only unity can help them survive.

If Sasuke was objective enough, he would look into every possibility and judge it. He clearly missed this point and that's why he acts exactly like Madara and Obito, trying to rule the world through his own means as he sees fit. That's practically the same as being in IT, only people won't be in illusion but under tyranny and rule of power.

Discuss this, I'm interested in debating about this a lot. Their characters are much more fun than the powers.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

sasuke said this very chapter that the world was not united. they only came together because there was a common enemy and because that enemy is gone they will go right back to how things were. but if sasuke becomes the object of hatred a situation like itachis wont happen again because sasuke is the one bearing the burden not them. they will be able to live theyre lives normal but if u do wrong u better believe godsuke is gonna strike u with a lgihtning bolt.

 

[Indora]

He akwnowledged the fact that the villages are now united. He said it in this chapter, but he looks in the future and doubts that it will stay peacfull

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

He isn't doing anything different WHATSOEVER from the likes of Kaguya,Indra,Madara,obito,Nagato or Danzo

He has failed to see the fact that all the nations are together,failed to notice that everyone was literally sharing the same emotions and will during the juubito fight and he talks about making sure nobody ever uses the Tailed beast power again and then turns around and uses it.

Fail all around

And now we have to wait for these chapters knowing that it ends in a TNJ

Its not even a philosophical battle between two ideals its naruto vs the guy who hasn't learned a damn thing.

 

[LielieS]

But he's also right -- even though currently, there is some form of peace, people will always go back to their old nature. Perhaps not tomorrow or in the nearby future, but they will, because it's embedded in their characters. It's part of humanity.

The 5 villages might now be all at peace, but, with time, distrust will grow over little things. People will become suspicious of one another again. Eventually, it'll grow into hatred, thus setting the whole circle in motion once more.

 

[Romy9]

He isn't doing anything different WHATSOEVER from the likes of Kaguya,Indra,Madara,obito,Nagato or Danzo

He has failed to see the fact that all the nations are together,failed to notice that everyone was literally sharing the same emotions and will during the juubito fight and he talks about making sure nobody ever uses the Tailed beast power again and then turns around and uses it.

Fail all around

And now we have to wait for these chapters knowing that it ends in a TNJ

Its not even a philosophical battle between two ideals its naruto vs the guy who hasn't learned a damn thing.

I wouldn't be that harsh but in summation, yeah, he's the same because at the end of the day he's still Indra's transmigrant.

But he's also right -- even though currently, there is some form of peace, people will always go back to their old nature. Perhaps not tomorrow or in the nearby future, but they will, because it's embedded in their characters. It's part of humanity.

The 5 villages might now be all at peace, but, with time, distrust will grow over little things. People will become suspicious of one another again. Eventually, it'll grow into hatred, thus setting the whole circle in motion once more.

I agree, but this was one hell of a lesson. I doubt the treaty would end because of superficial reasons that were the reasons for wars in the past.

 

[Raekwon26]

Uh, he already said that they were United and he pointed out the reason for them being United;

A common enemy....... what he wants to become.

 

[Romy9]

Uh, he already said that they were United and he pointed out the reason for them being United;

A common enemy....... what he wants to become.

Sure, he did, but he obviously doesn't trust it and doesn't acknowledge it.

 

[Raekwon26]

Sure, he did, but he obviously doesn't trust it and doesn't acknowledge it.

I know.

He said that.

 

[Romy9]

I know.

He said that.

Which is why he fails to grasp the overall agenda? That's the point.

 

[Raekwon26]

Which is why he fails to grasp the overall agenda? That's the point.

I know.

He said that. That's why he's doing what he's doing.

 

[CJ Mac]

Sasuke proved just how stupid he is in this chapter.

I understand that the villages faught constantly in the past, and there is a good chance that they would eventually start fighting again in the future. However, Sasuke has literally faught and despised people for the things that he just said.

1. He didn't like Itachi, Danzo, or the village for the deaths of his family members. This resulted in hatred. Yet he thinks killing Naruto and the Kage is going to somehow change the world. It would only result in people hating him, and if he intends on living forever, he'll probably have to kill people.

2. He thought Orochimaru and Kabuto were stupid for chasing immortality and borrowed power. And yet, Sasuke is going to use the Tailed Beasts and the Rinnegan to do the same thing.

I could go on, but given Sasuke' s past, nothing that he said in this chapter makes sense.

 

[Romy9]

Sasuke proved just how stupid he is in this chapter.

I understand that the villages faught constantly in the past, and there is a good chance that they would eventually start fighting again in the future. However, Sasuke has literally faught and despised people for the things that he just said.

1. He didn't like Itachi, Danzo, or the village for the deaths of his family members. This resulted in hatred. Yet he thinks killing Naruto and the Kage is going to somehow change the world. It would only result in people hating him, and if he intends on living forever, he'll probably have to kill people.

2. He thought Orochimaru and Kabuto were stupid for chasing immortality and borrowed power. And yet, Sasuke is going to use the Tailed Beasts and the Rinnegan to do the same thing.

I could go on, but given Sasuke' s past, nothing that he said in this chapter makes sense.

Nice points. He actually contradicts his very own reasoning. It's like his point of view shifts with the winds. At the end of the day, I would say he's a bit confused and doesn't really know what he's doing.

 

[Raekwon26]

Sasuke proved just how stupid he is in this chapter.

I understand that the villages faught constantly in the past, and there is a good chance that they would eventually start fighting again in the future. However, Sasuke has literally faught and despised people for the things that he just said.

1. He didn't like Itachi, Danzo, or the village for the deaths of his family members. This resulted in hatred. Yet he thinks killing Naruto and the Kage is going to somehow change the world. It would only result in people hating him, and if he intends on living forever, he'll probably have to kill people.

2. He thought Orochimaru and Kabuto were stupid for chasing immortality and borrowed power. And yet, Sasuke is going to use the Tailed Beasts and the Rinnegan to do the same thing.

I could go on, but given Sasuke' s past, nothing that he said in this chapter makes sense.

@bold 1, THAT'S HIS WHOLE POINT. To become THE common enemy and because of his power, no one would go against him. His killing of the Kages and Naruto would unify the Shinobi world against JUST him. That's what he wants.

@Bold 2, He didn't think they were stupid for chasing immortality, he chastised them for never achieving it.

 

[DrProof]

Gaara could have done better.

OT: Sasuke has the most heart.

 

[Ansatsuken]

The world will continue to try to create a war no matter what. Yes sasuke think he can stop a war and maybe he can, but after he is dead what will happen after he is dead. Leader is not forever alive and sasuke is not immortal if hago himself is not immortal. The thing to keep in mind is nothing is set on the stone in NV life, it same as our real world.

the war still can happen and I knew sasuke will tried to punish the country that want to wage a war in cruel manner like destroyed them all or whatever it deem necessary for him. Hatred is not about you dont like me, ok ,I will bear the hatred, it is not just about individual hatred but it can reach country wide hatred, and hatred is not just about they and sasuke, but it can become they with anybody else, this is shinobi world, peoples with super human power. The dangerous one can wipe out many peoples in one move. Sasuke cant said there is no other god bless strong shinobi that have more crazy power than himself.

look to the future deeply not on the surface only. We are talking with super human matter not normal human matter. Even normal human can created dangerous weapon like nuclear warhead. Hatred that and this is BS, it about greed, power, etc. Look madara become like this is not about hatred but power hungry. If madara is having hatred in his heart, sure he will just destroyed all human even without being juubi jin, he cant become to good to let peoples having a good drean in IT in name of peace if he having a hatred, no, other peoples that having hatred want to do good thing. He just turning from hatred burden person to power hungry person. And both matter is not to different in context.

 

[Romy9]

The world will continue to try to create a war no matter what. Yes sasuke think he can stop a war and maybe he can, but after he is dead what will happen dead. Leader is not forever alive and sasuke is not immortal if hago himself is not immortal. The thing to keep in mind is nothing is set on the stone in NV life, it same as our real world.

the war still can happen and I knew sasuke will tried to execute the country ghat want to wage a war in cruel manner like destroyed them all or whatever it deem necessary for him. Hatred is not about you dont like me, ok ,I will bear the hatred, it is not just about individual hatred but it can reach country wide hatred, and hatred is not just about they and sasuke, but it can become they with anybody else, this is shinobi world, peoples with super human power. The dangerous one can wipe out many peoples in one move. Sasuke cant said there is no other god bless strong shinobi that have more crazy power than himself.

look to the future deeply not on the surface only. We are talking with super human matter not normal human matter. Even normal human can created dangerous weapon like nuclear warhead. Hatred that and this is BS, it about greed, power, etc. Look madara become like this is not about hatred but power hungry. If madara is having hatred in his heart, sure he will just destroyed all human even without being juubi jin, he cant become to good to let peoples having a good drean in IT in name of peace if he having a hatred, no, other peoples that having hatred want to do good thing. He just turning from hatred burden person to power hungry person. And both matter is not to different in context.

If you want to relate it to real life, then Naruto's way is more logical than Sasuke's because there wasn't a serious war that impacted the whole world since WW2.

The wars would rarely happen. At least not for some superficial reasons like money or the lands. Unity with emotions is stronger than anything. They all learned it.

The weapons are created because of humans. If there is no hatred, there is no reason for weapons. If you want to connect it to real life, imagine 5 nations as the whole world united. The Earth in general wouldn't need any weapons if it's in utopia or unity.

 

[End of Days]

sasuke said this very chapter that the world was not united. they only came together because there was a common enemy and because that enemy is gone they will go right back to how things were.

You need to stop right here because this is wrong, the kages had already vowed to unite even after the war ended and not just a temporary alliance and that would have been passed on to the next generation

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[Ansatsuken]

If you want to relate it to real life, then Naruto's way is more logical than Sasuke's because there wasn't a serious war that impacted the whole world since WW2.

The wars would rarely happen. At least not for some superficial reasons like money or the lands. Unity with emotions is stronger than anything. They all learned it.

The weapons are created because of humans. If there is no hatred, there is no reason for weapons. If you want to connect it to real life, imagine 5 nations as the whole world united. The Earth in general wouldn't need any weapons if it's in utopia or unity.

Yes in naruto world, naruto way is more acceptable than sasuke and it not to hard to unite small numbers of nation.

but what Im stating in my previous post is sasuke view of hatred that he will be carrying on his shouldr alone, but he must knew no matter if it is our real life or naruto, human in individual is still the same, they have a need, desire, lust or passion for they own need, NV human is not all pure heart. They will somebody tried to crash the party sooner or later