Benjamin King
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Apex made a good point. Until I see a good refute argument, Sharingan will see through the invisibility, as there is no evidence Mu can erase the existence of his Chakra; otherwise, how did Madara beat him and Onoki?
MS Obito vs Mu
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Benjamin King
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Shinobi made methods of fighting Sharingan Genjutsu, so no. And don't try to use anime.
Nah the Jins definitely saw them. Considering they came from behind and the Jins were behind Obito as well. There's really no reason why they wouldn't have seen. We see them surrounding B and then they leave him. No reason to why they won't have seen him. The fact that the 5 tails knocked B forward is the more reason why he'd have seen the 2 given the direction the came from.
The emphasis doesn't have to be shown in this case though.
You have a point really. How about Mu exploiting the Kamui time limit though>
Another thing to note is the DB.
It is perceivable with a dojutsu. Not to mention, Karin can do something similar [
Even though this is a more advanced version, fact remains that it simply conceals and doesn't erase, as erasing is impossible to do. He may be capable of erasing his chakra signature, but he can't erase the chakra itself. As the DB states, to conceal his form, he uses chakra inflections, meaning chakra is still required to conceal form, and nothing indicates he conceals his form by other means, thus the Sharingan sees him.
It is perceivable with a dojutsu. Not to mention, Karin can do something similar [
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]. Also, when Kabuto is speaking about Mu in the VIZ, he claims Mu had "neither form nor chakra." [
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] Clearly, Mu has form since Contact sensing works on him, thus Kabuto was essentially speaking in a sensing manner, since you can't sense his form nor chakra, but should have no reason not to be able to perceive it with a Dojutsu.Regarding the databook: we don't even know if Mu and Taiseki use the same technique. Pretty sure the only source that says so is Narutopedia, and that's obviously not reliable since it's written by fans. Pain's chameleon and 2nd Mizukage's clam can also go invisible, that doesn't mean it's the same technique. Kishimoto probably wrote that databook description before he had even came up with the idea of a character named Mu. The only similarity is that Mu and Taiseki were both Iwa-nin.
You also posted the same scan twice. You should edit that.
It works the same way, and even then, the only way that's ever been showcased to make a user lose his form to go invisible is chakra inflections, and until another way is illustrated, it remains that way. Doesn't matter either, because they're all visible by the sharingan. That's assuming Kishi didn't pre-write the script or characters. Either way, as long as Karin has shown to suppress her chakra from sensing means, others who have wanted to use camouflage have required concealed chakra inflections, and the viability of chakra sensing simply being a means of feeling the chakra to a greater extent, as I showed before, it is only logical to assume that Mu is no different and gets seen with his present chakra. Shinobi's die from chakra depletion for a reason, Mu simply conceals himself and his chakra, he doesn't erase it.
And my bad, here [
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].About to leave for swim practice, will reply tomorrow or later tonight if I have time. In the meantime, would you explain exactly what the difference is between erasing chakra and a chakra signature? I thought that a chakra signature simply was the "type" of chakra that each person has (reason why sensors can distinguish between Person A's chakra and person B's chakra).
i dont see what fanfic you're using which will enable obiitto to attack muu?
shifts in air are not enough for obito to attack muu, he is not attacking someone who he cant see
and Lol you do know that Rairkir kunai has raiton infused in it, meaning that there is more than enough sound for obito to be able to tell that the kunai is coming right at him
muus movements would barely have any sound, nor would obito be able to properly locate him, let alone attack him, before he gets wrecked, and if obito randomly activates intangibility, then muu can just keep his distance away, since he wont be able to sense him,
annd the use of fission allows muu to attack him from both directions meaning that obito has no chance
How is this proving anything,
again you have failed to tell me how obito can even attack muu,
just because he activated intangibility towards a clear visible target doesnt mean he can do this against muu,
Lmao, again, how is obito able to tell where muu is?
how is obito even attacking muu to begin with?
and what are you on about, muu uses fission, to attack him from multiple directions,
obitos fanfic perceptions are not enough for him to attack muu
Lol, THe moment obito sends an even slight part of his body to the real dimension, then muu senses him,,
its as simple as that,
just how hinata was able to locate obito once he solidified
he locates him, then proceeds to attack tobi through his sword
Nope, unless you prove me this fanfic way of obito attacking muu,then he isnt doing shit,
obito reacting to the raikiri is also not effective since the sound assosciated with the raiton clearly enabled him to be wary of the attack,
and obito is also not attacking an opponent who he has no way whatsoever to locate or see,
muus presense is hidden and would no where near be as obvious as the examples ur stating, meaning that obito gets killed without him being able to do anything at all
the use of fission just makes it easier for muu,
Erasing your chakra signature is not useful against a Dojutsu user as the Dojutsu user can still see chakra, he just can't see whose chakra it is. Given the fact it's a 1v1, he has no reason to assume it is anyone bar Mu. So yes, you are correct. Though, if he can't erase his chakra completely like many claim he can, then he gets seen with the Dojutsu.
Nope,
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hence why, no tracking or sensing methods bar contact sensing would work against him, sharingan is not seeiing chakra when its completely erased
had muus chakra not been hidden, then the sensing unit of the alliance would have been able to locate him, since normal sensing methods work on the basis of sensing chakra,
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, means that shraingan is never locating him, Hence concluding that obito has no way of attacking muu, and gets killed
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That's because muu can't see through the mirage
Whilst the mizukage can't locate muu
So it's a 2-way dilemma. It would've been great to see their fight in the manga
And no, EMS madara is not really a sensor
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No, the VIZ never stated his presence disappears, only his form and chakra. Saying form disappears is speaking in a context of sensing means, thus chakra would be too. You cannot make your form disappear and still get sensed by contact methods, because that would imply you do in fact have a form. Obvious sensing context is obvious.
Chakra cannot be erased, every invisibility ability ever used uses chakra inflections to achieve invisibility. Not to mention chakra depletion causes death, don't see how Mu could survive with no chakra.
No, I already showed you Karin doing the same thing in terms of hiding her chakra. Doesn't mean her chakra disappeared, she simply suppressed it. Chakra presence is seen no matter how small and distant [
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