MS Obito vs Mu

[ARGUS]

When did Obito make only parts of his body intangible? How does Obito beat Mu in a 1v1 in the kamui dimension?

Obito can make his body part tangible and part intangible, since he simply sends his parts of the body to the other dimension

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however that still makes no difference since muu can still sense him due to a part of his body being in the same dimension, and then he attacks him whilst obito would have no clue where he iss attacked from

I also edited the conditions, jinton is restricted now. It might be unfair to only restrict Obito so I restricted them both.

jinton makes no difference whatsoever,since intangibility just trolls on it hard,
muu still wins this

 

[TRE MERCER]

KCM narutos speed is still faster than obitos shuriken, thats for sure,
and Lol,

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It's not about the speed of the shuriken it's about the size of them and the numbers. Ok point proven.

What are you on about?
Muu can use his sword whilst intangible and obito wont even know where he is getting attacked,
if Obito is tangible here, then muu senses him and proceeds to behead him, its as simple as that,
Obito is not sending muu to an another dimension when he cant even see him Lol,

If Muu get's his blades in that form i see no reason why Obito can't use his Spiral armor. Obito could simply evade Mu's strike via pre-cog and or predict him to warp via pre-cog as well. Or use hiding like a mole jutsu to get away from Mu completely. Also hiding like a mole complimented by intangibility makes Mu's arsenal completely moot which then turns this into a outlasting battle which Obito surely wins.

When did Obito make only parts of his body intangible? How does Obito beat Mu in a 1v1 in the kamui dimension?

I also edited the conditions, jinton is restricted now. It might be unfair to only restrict Obito so I restricted them both.

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Combat skills alone. Restrict Jinton for what it had no purpose in this battle.

 

[ARGUS]

It's not about the speed of the shuriken it's about the size of them and the numbers. Ok point proven.

They are still evaded by muu, and his sensing and reflexes enable him to do so quite well
And if he's invisible then obito is just wasting his time since he clearly won't know where he is attacking

If Muu get's his blades in that form i see no reason why Obito can't use his Spiral armor. Obito could simply evade Mu's strike via pre-cog and or predict him to warp via pre-cog as well. Or use hiding like a mole jutsu to get away from Mu completely.

Again, how can obito use his sharingan precog when he can't even see muu?
And obito is not granted SZ here, how can he use the armor??
Obito can also not escape, bcz then he would automatically lose due to BFR

 

[Beans2]

Obito can make his body part tangible and part intangible, since he simply sends his parts of the body to the other dimension

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however that still makes no difference since muu can still sense him due to a part of his body being in the same dimension, and then he attacks him whilst obito would have no clue where he iss attacked from

That makes no sense though, otherwise he would have kept his hand tangible but his body intangible

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That scan you posted seems to be an inconsistency.

 

[TRE MERCER]

They are still evaded by muu, and his sensing and reflexes enable him to do so quite well
And if he's invisible then obito is just wasting his time since he clearly won't know where he is attacking



Again, how can obito use his sharingan precog when he can't even see muu?
And obito is not granted SZ here, how can he use the armor??
Obito can also not escape, bcz then he would automatically lose due to BFR

precognition - knowledge of an event before it occurs. foreknowledge. clairvoyance, E.S.P., ESP, extrasensory perception, second sight - Similar to how Kakashi knew he would be torn o shreds if he tried to dodge a Susanoo arrow.(

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). I said predict he'll know Mu will go for the quick kill which is his head. Hiding like a mole is not leaving the BF.

 

[TRE MERCER]

That makes no sense though, otherwise he would have kept his hand tangible but his body intangible

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That scan you posted seems to be an inconsistency.

What would be the point when he still wouldn't be able to warp him seeing as he was already using Kamui.

 

[Draphsin]

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Lol dude this is bs, kabuto was referring to how fast muu can split, he doesn't need to use handsigns for it so it's faster than creating a regular bunshin, although the drawback is lack of strength.

Nowhere does it say that muu moves faster while split.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lol dude this is bs, kabuto was referring to how fast muu can split, he doesn't need to use handsigns for it so it's faster than creating a regular bunshin, although the drawback is lack of strength.

Nowhere does it say that muu moves faster while split.

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MA N I G G A... ​

 

[ARGUS]

That makes no sense though, otherwise he would have kept his hand tangible but his body intangible

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That scan you posted seems to be an inconsistency.

Why doesnt it make sense??

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in the example i showed you, obitos right side of his body, and the right shoulder where he was holding sasuke were clearly tangible whilst he still managed to phase through Ays attack,
Obito can still attack from his body parts that are still in the real dimension, he only needs to fully solidify in-order to warp
the scan you posted involved obito wanting to warp, however to physically attack he can still do it from his limbs that are still in the real dimension

precognition - knowledge of an event before it occurs. foreknowledge. clairvoyance, E.S.P., ESP, extrasensory perception, second sight - Similar to how Kakashi knew he would be torn o shreds if he tried to dodge a Susanoo arrow.(

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). I said predict he'll know Mu will go for the quick kill which is his head. Hiding like a mole is not leaving the BF.

again,you still dont understand,
how is obito even using his precog when he cant locate muu the moment the latter goes invisible?
if obito doesnt have any indication of where muu is, how is he getting prepared?
Kakashi could clearly see the susanoo arrow coming, he was just too slow to physically evade it, hence why he used kamui,

Hidin Like a mole isnt working either when obito has the 5min limit for kamui, and the moment he solidifies, means that muu can sense him and would proceed to attack him

Lol dude this is bs, kabuto was referring to how fast muu can split, he doesn't need to use handsigns for it so it's faster than creating a regular bunshin, although the drawback is lack of strength.

Nowhere does it say that muu moves faster while split.

muus jutsu execution speed is faster so why shouldnt his normal speed be faster?
and logically speaking him being split in half means that his weight is also decreased meaning that his speed should be increased,

but i see ur point on it not being explicity stated in the manga,
regardless of that, muu would still win this

 

[Strict]

Obito would win.. Obito doesn't need to stay intangible all the time. His Kamui "mode" allows him to become intangible via physical contact, by overlapping with the attack.

When Obito wanted to lay a hand on Minato from behind, Minato sensed him and immediately attacked with a Kunai. But this Kunai slipped through Obito and allowed latter to immediately catch his arm and start the warping.

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Logically, Muu could kill anyone with the tactic of piercing with the sword while being invisible. Yet MS Madara trashed him and Oonoki without difficult. So this tactic actually doesn't work out.

 

[KidGamer65]

And Obito had Zetsu armor point?

When he was a kid. Mu has had those his whole adult life.

Doesn't matter she was planning to kill herself so he had to warp the explosion away from her. If he would have warped her right away she still would have blew herself up in the Kamui dimension. Plus he didn't warp at full speed.

That's not the point. The point is that she had enough time to initiate her attack and kill him.

Bold is nothing but a baseless assumption.

[

FONT=Georgia]Yes i do i know he warped in and out. If Mu tries to strike during the warping process he gets warped as well. This isn't younger Mu so he doesn't get weapons.[/FONT]

Obito needs to touch his target to warp them, so no, that isn't happening, and no, adult Mu had weapons. So he gets them here.

 

[Strict]

That's not the point. The point is that she had enough time to initiate her attack and kill him.

But Obito did not only warp Konan, but a far bigger entity of paper [

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]. That gave Konan the time to detonate the bombs which he mixed with this whole entity. We already witnessed how fast Obito warps humans.

+ what I mentioned before.

Obito would win.. Obito doesn't need to stay intangible all the time. His Kamui "mode" allows him to become intangible via physical contact, by overlapping with the attack.

When Obito wanted to lay a hand on Minato from behind, Minato sensed him and immediately attacked with a Kunai. But this Kunai slipped through Obito and allowed latter to immediately catch his arm and start the warping.

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Logically, Muu could kill anyone with the tactic of piercing with the sword while being invisible. Yet MS Madara trashed him and Oonoki without difficult. So this tactic actually doesn't work out.

Muu would sense Obito just like Minato. But his sword would nevertheless slip through him, allowing Obito to detect Muu right before him, catch his arm and instantly warp him.

 

[Apêx1]

Why doesnt it make sense??

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in the example i showed you, obitos right side of his body, and the right shoulder where he was holding sasuke were clearly tangible whilst he still managed to phase through Ays attack,
Obito can still attack from his body parts that are still in the real dimension, he only needs to fully solidify in-order to warp
the scan you posted involved obito wanting to warp, however to physically attack he can still do it from his limbs that are still in the real dimension


again,you still dont understand,
how is obito even using his precog when he cant locate muu the moment the latter goes invisible?
if obito doesnt have any indication of where muu is, how is he getting prepared?
Kakashi could clearly see the susanoo arrow coming, he was just too slow to physically evade it, hence why he used kamui,

Hidin Like a mole isnt working either when obito has the 5min limit for kamui, and the moment he solidifies, means that muu can sense him and would proceed to attack him


muus jutsu execution speed is faster so why shouldnt his normal speed be faster?
and logically speaking him being split in half means that his weight is also decreased meaning that his speed should be increased,

but i see ur point on it not being explicity stated in the manga,
regardless of that, muu would still win this

-Minato has established how his Kamui works [

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]. That was a simple inconsistency. If he could do what you say, then he would've never lost a single fight because he kunai stabs anyone who touches his intangible face, but that is obviously not the case.

-Mu isn't touching someone who can react to 6th gated Gai speed without looking [

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-What? Kabuto clearly says it's faster because it doesn't require hand seals in comparison to Bunshin Jutsu's, not all his jutsu are faster. He becomes half strength in everything, chakra, chakra utilisation, strength, etc. so how he becomes faster is beyond me, it's a literal physical seperation.

 

[ARGUS]

-Minato has established how his Kamui works [

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]. That was a simple inconsistency. If he could do what you say, then he would've never lost a single fight because he kunai stabs anyone who touches his intangible face, but that is obviously not the case.

Muu can use his physical blows, and basic tai/kenjutsu whilst he is invisible
he only needs to turn visible in-order to perform his chakra based ninjutsu such as jinton,

-Mu isn't touching someone who can react to 6th gated Gai speed without looking [

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].

Again, Obito has no way of locating muu at all, he wont have any clue where muu is attacking him from, and wont be able to attack muu either since he wont know wheere muu is

-What? Kabuto clearly says it's faster because it doesn't require hand seals in comparison to Bunshin Jutsu's, not all his jutsu are faster. He becomes half strength in everything, chakra, chakra utilisation, strength, etc. so how he becomes faster is beyond me, it's a literal physical seperation.

I conceded to that point,

 

[Benjamin King]

Ninja can detect presence by sound-waves, which Mu would naturally make by remaining invisible. Obito detects that and blitzes him.

 

[Apêx1]

Muu can use his physical blows, and basic tai/kenjutsu whilst he is invisible
he only needs to turn visible in-order to perform his chakra based ninjutsu such as jinton,

Again, Obito has no way of locating muu at all, he wont have any clue where muu is attacking him from, and wont be able to attack muu either since he wont know wheere muu is

I conceded to that point,

Based on what? He's already turned visible when attempting to hit Onoki here [

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], so point is moot.

So no, he loses the second he attempts to touch Obito as I've already shown Obito's perceptive skills and reaction speed to 6th Gated Gai.

 

[Benjamin King]

Just to make things clear, Obito doesn't need physical contact to wrap someone:

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[Draphsin]

muus jutsu execution speed is faster so why shouldnt his normal speed be faster?

You're still not understanding, muu's fission jutsu is faster to use than a regular bunshin jutsu, because muu doesn't have to use handsigns in order to split, while he still does in order to create a clone.

It doesn't make him any faster, it's just a faster alternative.

and logically speaking him being split in half means that his weight is also decreased meaning that his speed should be increased,

This isn't stated anywhere, if he weighs less then he should be half the size as well going by this logic. Muu is the same size, he only creates two weak copies out of himself, they aren't any faster, lighter, etc.

but i see ur point on it not being explicity stated in the manga,
regardless of that, muu would still win this

As I stated though muu can't hit obito regardless of being visible or not, that doesn't change how kamui works.

 

[Selan]

Obito warps behind Mu (Kamui can't be sensed) and absorbs him. GG.

 

[DMT]

Mu rapes..