[Discussion] Pre ts zoro vs rob lucci

[Forbidden Tale]

Lucci wins something like high diff.

 

[Love Cook]

Lucci wins this comfortably.

He was twice as strong as the guy Zoro fought and he barely won that. Besides Kaku wasn't very agile and a huge target. Lucci blitzed Luffy in G2 at times.

No way that Zoro has a chance.

Zoro even said:"If Luffy loses, that guy will kill us all.'' He was that confident in his own powers.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Thriller Bark Zoro is not much stronger than Enies Lobby Zoro. Lucci ftw

 

[TheHokage]

Lucci wins Pre-timeskip Zoro in any scenario.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Lucci wins this comfortably.

He was twice as strong as the guy Zoro fought and he barely won that. Besides Kaku wasn't very agile and a huge target. Lucci blitzed Luffy in G2 at times.

No way that Zoro has a chance.

Zoro even said:"If Luffy loses, that guy will kill us all.'' He was that confident in his own powers.

Thriller bark zoro got a power up after shusui... Your talking about w7 zoro. In thriller bark He was deflecting oars punches which is basically like a gear third attack and we saw what gear third did to lucci. Lucci doesn't win with anything less than high difficulty

 

[Punk Hazard]

Thriller bark zoro got a power up after shusui... Your talking about w7 zoro. In thriller bark He was deflecting oars punches which is basically like a gear third attack and we saw what gear third did to lucci. Lucci doesn't win with anything less than high difficulty

Zoro's attacks got a power up, but his defenses, speed, stamina and durability didn't.

Rob Lucci was punched through two strong buildings by a Gear 3 fist, and kept on fighting.
Zoro was slammed into one wall with a leg of similar stature, and was out cold for a while. Rob Lucci's reaction to Gear 3 is far better than Zoro's to a similar blow.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Zoro's attacks got a power up, but his defenses, speed, stamina and durability didn't.

Rob Lucci was punched through two strong buildings by a Gear 3 fist, and kept on fighting.
Zoro was slammed into one wall with a leg of similar stature, and was out cold for a while. Rob Lucci's reaction to Gear 3 is far better than Zoro's to a similar blow.

That was after zoro fought ryumma and if I remember correctly when lucci was hit by gear third he said he was having trouble staying conscious and was about to lose consciousness. And if you question zoros durability look at him taking in all luffys pain.

And either way lucci does not have any attack as strong as gear third. And zoros pound cannon was scaring oars so it would definitely hurt lucci but it will be hard to hit lucci because if his speed. But zoro can match everything else lucci has except speed

 

[Punk Hazard]

That was after zoro fought ryumma and if I remember correctly when lucci was hit by gear third he said he was having trouble staying conscious and was about to lose consciousness. And if you question zoros durability look at him taking in all luffys pain.

And either way lucci does not have any attack as strong as gear third. And zoros pound cannon was scaring oars so it would definitely hurt lucci but it will be hard to hit lucci because if his speed. But zoro can match everything else lucci has except speed

Zoro fought Ryuma, and sustained no injuries, so that doesn't matter. Rob Lucci on the other hand, had also been engaged in a fight before he got smashed by Gear 3: with Luffy. Lucci was also injured, and while he almost lost consciousness, Zoro did. Lucci stayed awake, Zoro couldn't, end of. And I wasn't questioning Zoro's durability, I said his durability at Thriller Bark didn't have any necessary boots from Water 7. Zoro's speed, durability and stamina were more or less the same in both arcs.

Lucci can use his superior speed and Shigan: Ouren Zoro in the throat, killing him. Lucci is much faster than Zoro, so Zoro wouldn't be able to defend.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Zoro fought Ryuma, and sustained no injuries, so that doesn't matter. Rob Lucci on the other hand, had also been engaged in a fight before he got smashed by Gear 3: with Luffy. Lucci was also injured, and while he almost lost consciousness, Zoro did. Lucci stayed awake, Zoro couldn't, end of. And I wasn't questioning Zoro's durability, I said his durability at Thriller Bark didn't have any necessary boots from Water 7. Zoro's speed, durability and stamina were more or less the same in both arcs.

Lucci can use his superior speed and Shigan: Ouren Zoro in the throat, killing him. Lucci is much faster than Zoro, so Zoro wouldn't be able to defend.

Lucci fought a worn out Luffy who had already used gear 2 and 3 and still Lost while Zoro was dodging a pacifistas fast laser while being half dead... If I remember wasn't base Luffy keeping up with base lucci?

Zoro has fast reflexes and could dodge some of luccis attacks. As I've said Lucci has no attacks stronger than gear third. So the only concern for zoro is luccis speed. anything else he can counter.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lucci beat a worn out Luffy who had already used gear 2 and 3 and Zoro was dodging a pacifistas fast laser while being half dead... If I remember wasn't base Luffy keeping up with base lucci?

Zoro has fast reflexes and could dodge some of luccis attacks. As I've said Lucci has no attacks stronger than gear third. So the only concern for zoro is luccis speed. anything else he can counter.

That first part of your post literally has nothing to do with what was said.

Zoro is still susceptible to being damaged by Lucci. Lucci is faster than Zoro, we've both agreed that Zoro isn't touching Lucci's speed. Lucci can attack with his superior speed, and while Zoro has the strength to counter, he lacks the speed to, so all of his strength becomes useless. Zoro can't counter all of Lucci's attacks because Lucci is too fast.

Also, Rokougan is very strong, it's a shockwave capable of damaging Luffy, who is normally immune to blunt damage. Zoro takes as many Rokuougans as Luffy did, and he's down. The same punch from Kaido that can split an entire island in two didn't phase Luffy, while Rokougan almost killed him, the concentrated power in the technique is immense.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

That first part of your post literally has nothing to do with what was said.

Zoro is still susceptible to being damaged by Lucci. Lucci is faster than Zoro, we've both agreed that Zoro isn't touching Lucci's speed. Lucci can attack with his superior speed, and while Zoro has the strength to counter, he lacks the speed to, so all of his strength becomes useless. Zoro can't counter all of Lucci's attacks because Lucci is too fast.

Also, Rokougan is very strong, it's a shockwave capable of damaging Luffy, who is normally immune to blunt damage. Zoro takes as many Rokuougans as Luffy did, and he's down. The same punch from Kaido that can split an entire island in two didn't phase Luffy, while Rokougan almost killed him, the concentrated power in the technique is immense.

My first part I meant to say lucci took on A worn out Luffy while lucci was at 100% and he still lost. And it's clear lucci is faster than zoro but zoro has shown some nice reflexes even when he's injured keep in mind that was after fighting ryumma and oars

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So I think if zoros keeps up with his speed for a while and lands a couple of pound canons or other heavy hits he could win.

 

[Punk Hazard]

My first part I meant to say lucci took on A worn out Luffy while lucci was at 100% and he still lost. And it's clear lucci is faster than zoro but zoro has shown some nice reflexes even when he's injured keep in mind that was after fighting ryumma and oars

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So I think if zoros keeps up with his speed for a while and lands a couple of pound canons or other heavy hits he could win.

Stop bringing up Ryuma, he barely sparred with Ryuma, that fight had no adverse effects on Zoro whatsoever.

Yeah, while Luffy was drained a bit, he wasn't completely weakened. Lucci still had enough durability and stamina to duel with Luffy for a long time. Like Lucci, Zoro doesn't have any attacks stronger than Gear 3 hits, and Lucci wasn't defeated by one and was able to dodge the others. Zoro isn't hitting Lucci enough times, while Lucci just has to dance around Zoro for a bit before his superior speed gets past him. Zoro might arguably have stronger attacks, but Lucci is too fast for them to hit. Kaku, who is almost half as strong as Lucci, pushed Zoro quite a bit and was able to withstand most of his attacks. Zoro isn't doing a thing to Lucci.

 

[-Akuma-]

Lucci wins both scenarios

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Stop bringing up Ryuma, he barely sparred with Ryuma, that fight had no adverse effects on Zoro whatsoever.

Yeah, while Luffy was drained a bit, he wasn't completely weakened. Lucci still had enough durability and stamina to duel with Luffy for a long time. Like Lucci, Zoro doesn't have any attacks stronger than Gear 3 hits, and Lucci wasn't defeated by one and was able to dodge the others. Zoro isn't hitting Lucci enough times, while Lucci just has to dance around Zoro for a bit before his superior speed gets past him. Zoro might arguably have stronger attacks, but Lucci is too fast for them to hit. Kaku, who is almost half as strong as Lucci, pushed Zoro quite a bit and was able to withstand most of his attacks. Zoro isn't doing a thing to Lucci.

You still haven't countered the fact that zoro has fast reflexes and he might be able to dodge luccis attacks for a while. And zoro has fast techniques that would land on lucci like this

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he could easily land this attack. Lucci can think he has zoro defeated and then out of no where he could use it just like on kuma and I believe that attack would do a lot of damage on lucci. Who ever wins this it would be high difficulty.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You still haven't countered the fact that zoro has fast reflexes and he might be able to dodge luccis attacks for a while. And zoro has fast techniques that would land on lucci like this

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he could easily land this attack. Lucci can think he has zoro defeated and then out of no where he could use it just like on kuma and I believe that attack would do a lot of damage on lucci. Who ever wins this it would be high difficulty.

Zoro has fast attacks and reflexes. Yes, Zoro can land a few hits on Lucci, and dodge a few of his attacks for a while. But it's not good enough. Pretty sure I made that clear in my last post. It wouldn't be high difficulty at all. Zoro had high difficulty on Kaku, and Lucci is almost twice as strong as Kaku. Lucci would win mid-difficulty. Lucci can keep up with Luffy, and Luffy is much faster than Zoro, Zoro isn't blitzing Lucci.

What people seem to forget about that Shishi Sonson scene is that Kuma reacted to and could have deflected Zoro or moved, but chose not to because he knew his body would just tank it.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Zoro has fast attacks and reflexes. Yes, Zoro can land a few hits on Lucci, and dodge a few of his attacks for a while. But it's not good enough. Pretty sure I made that clear in my last post. It wouldn't be high difficulty at all. Zoro had high difficulty on Kaku, and Lucci is almost twice as strong as Kaku. Lucci would win mid-difficulty. Lucci can keep up with Luffy, and Luffy is much faster than Zoro, Zoro isn't blitzing Lucci.

What people seem to forget about that Shishi Sonson scene is that Kuma reacted to and could have deflected Zoro or moved, but chose not to because he knew his body would just tank it.

Yes so you admitted zoro would land a few hits and those hits would do a lot of damage as zoro is a power hitter.

And Thriller bark zoro>w7 zoro stop comparing them as he's should feats like this

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and when did kuma react to it? And when did I say zoro would blitz him? I just said zoro could easily land a surprise attack on him like lion song which would do damage to lucci. Your saying he would just tank it?

How would it be mid difficulty? Zoro could keep reacting to his attacks and cutting him up until he's disabled enough and the he would be able to land a pound canon and he could also tank a lot of luccis attacks. No way lucci wins mid difficulty.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yes so you admitted zoro would land a few hits and those hits would do a lot of damage as zoro is a power hitter.

And Thriller bark zoro>w7 zoro stop comparing them as he's should feats like this

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and when did kuma react to it? And when did I say zoro would blitz him? I just said zoro could easily land a surprise attack on him like lion song which would do damage to lucci. Your saying he would just tank it?

How would it be mid difficulty? Zoro could keep reacting to his attacks and cutting him up until he's disabled enough and the he would be able to land a pound canon and he could also tank a lot of luccis attacks. No way lucci wins mid difficulty.

If Zoro landed a Lion's Song on Lucci, he wouldn't tank it, but it wouldn't defeat him either. Thriller Bark Zoro has the same durability, speed and stamina as W7 Zoro. Only thing that has increased is his physical abilities, and that's mostly because of Shusui. Kuma did react to it, do you not see the scene in that gif itself where Kuma was looking down at Luffy, and after Zoro launched himself, he looked up?

Im not denying that Zoro can land attacks on Lucci, and evade Lucci's attacks, but he can't do that enough to win the fight. Zoro doesn't have what it takes to damage Lucchi enough to put him down down , not strike Lucci, but put him down, while Lucci definitely has the strength and speed to do that to Zoro.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

If Zoro landed a Lion's Song on Lucci, he wouldn't tank it, but it wouldn't defeat him either. Thriller Bark Zoro has the same durability, speed and stamina as W7 Zoro. Only thing that has increased is his physical abilities, and that's mostly because of Shusui. Kuma did react to it, do you not see the scene in that gif itself where Kuma was looking down at Luffy, and after Zoro launched himself, he looked up?

Im not denying that Zoro can land attacks on Lucci, and evade Lucci's attacks, but he can't do that enough to win the fight. Zoro doesn't have what it takes to damage Lucchi enough to put him down down , not strike Lucci, but put him down, while Lucci definitely has the strength and speed to do that to Zoro.

Right when he looked up at the attack it hit him... That was literally like 0.1 second. Would he really of been able to dodge it? And other than shusui I'm pretty sure zoros showed other moves he hadn't in w7. And you admitted zoro would land hits on lucci and he's a power hitter so all these hits would hurt lucci. Also it takes a lot to take zoro down for the count when he has a reason to fight and he's confident. How would this fight end in lucci winning mid difficulty?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Right when he looked up at the attack it hit him... That was literally like 0.1 second. Would he really of been able to dodge it? And other than shusui I'm pretty sure zoros showed other moves he hadn't in w7. And you admitted zoro would land hits on lucci and he's a power hitter so all these hits would hurt lucci. Also it takes a lot to take zoro down for the count when he has a reason to fight and he's confident. How would this fight end in lucci winning mid difficulty?

Hurt Lucci. Not defeat Lucci.

Lucci can wear down Zoro for a bit, then strike his jugulars with Shigan: Ouren. It'd be mid difficulty because other than the category of strength, Lucci is better by almost twice, as Zoro was more on less on Kaku's level, and only slightly better by Thriller Bark. It's mid diff because Zoro can hit him an dodge a bit, but it won't be enough to defeat Lucci.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Hurt Lucci. Not defeat Lucci.

Lucci can wear down Zoro for a bit, then strike his jugulars with Shigan: Ouren. It'd be mid difficulty because other than the category of strength, Lucci is better by almost twice, as Zoro was more on less on Kaku's level, and only slightly better by Thriller Bark. It's mid diff because Zoro can hit him an dodge a bit, but it won't be enough to defeat Lucci.

Lucci Strength is better by twice? Are you serious? I just showed you what zoro did to oars. And zoros physical abilities improved form w7. No way luccis strength is better by twice. If anything zoro has more strength... thriller bark zoro strength feats are better than luccis.

First of all Zoro was overpowering kaku and idk why you keep bring up w7 zoro when this is thriller bark zoro who has way better physical feats. Honestly now I know your trolling if you say lucci has twice the strength of zoro. Think of it this lucci knew he couldn't stop gear third so he used tekkai and still almost lost consciousness but if it was zoro who Luffy launched a gear third attack on, Zoro would deflect it just like he did oars.