[Discussion] Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji vs Law, X Drake, and Apoo

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy has good observational haki to not get sliced the first second he comes in to a fight . He is not some fodder look at law vs smoker did smoker lose so handily not really. Luffy's reaction speeds are insane, better than smoker easily so the gift be around the same level but in luffy's favor.

Luffy has poor to no Observation Haki feats. Even if he did, he doesn't have the speed to avoid getting cut.

 

[arv993]

The supernovas are really underrated by some here it seems

1- You know when Oda created them? Around Shabondy archipelo
2- You know why Oda created them? To create concurrence

We see here Kid, Law and Luffy trying to compete against each other:

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Here we see Law concerned about Drake:

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We see here Bonney, Capone, Hawkins, Apoo, Urouge somehow concerned by Zoro:

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Apoo says it better as well that Law shouldn't have saved a future enemy(concurrent):

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With the 2 above, the question you must ask yourself is why Oda would create rivals on the spot if the turns out to be much weaker(if at all) than Luffy during or a little after their arc introduction? Would make no sense right?

1- Law and Kid are Luffy's main rivals. True and wrong again. True because they are presented to be the rivals who will be the closest to Luffy in terms of competition somewhere around the end of the manga. Wrong because while it's true they are presented as his main rivals, it's only in the long time span. As it stands all the other supernovas are equally rivals to Luffy. Law and Kid are simply presented to be the one with the greatest potential/challenge to Luffy, not necessarly the current strongest

2- Just look at Law. 2 years prior he only had a bounty of 200millions berry, that means lower than the likes of Kid, Luffy, Drake, Hawkins. I know bounty doesn't represent strength but in my opinion it shows that Hawkins, Drake were at least around his level of strength. Infact they were the most famous according to Shakky:

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And you see how strong Law is currently right? I don't expect the likes of Kid, Drake or Hawkins to do anything less or at least be able to operate on a similar level as it stands(infact i'm pretty confident someone like Kid or Drake will end up being stronger). After all even 2years prior Hawkins, Drake, Kid and Law remained the center of attention(with Blackbeard who joined the worse generation):

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After all, Kid judged someone like Hawkins is strong enough to help him in a fight against a yonkou

3- Apoo is presented to be in conflict with Kid, even asking him to postpone their fight to when they enter the new world:

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. Not to mention he was also judged to be strong enough to be called by Kid/Killer to fight a yonkou despite Kid hating the guy:

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It shows that despite hating the guy, he was full confidence in his strength to the point he had no choice than accepting an alliance with thim

4- There is also the chapter supernovas vs 4 captains where the captains(mainly Urouge, Hawkins and Drake) were presented in similar light. Infact Urouge is the one who damaged pacifistas the most:

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5- Killer is the only non-captain besides Zoro among the worse generation. It's very likely he was created to concurrence Zoro in accomplishments. Not to mention he earlier showed to be capable to compete with Urouge with Drake intervening and telling them to settle this in the new world:

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And is now part of the alliance to face a yonkou. Infact he is the one who called Hawkins and Apoo to make the alliance(not captain Kid) as an equal

The only one i'm unsure about is Bonney and Capone considering they don't have that much hype yet but Bonney at least seemed to want to have a grudge against Luffy/Zoro because of what they did in Shabondy:

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. Not to mention she seems related to the government somehow(the way Akainu spoke to her) and judging by Capone's design, he can easily end up being a greater broker than Doflamingo

They are rivals but they are in the meant to be slightly below luffy. Luffy has a much bigger challenge like Blackbeard, the navy but these guys are the there to entertain us while they take on schibukai like doflamingo and the yonko who are also luffy's main opponents. Ida probably created them to remind us there are others in the same generation that are strong and have plot relevance but no supernova crew is as strong as strawhats. They are mainly luffy's counterparts but luffy has a monster like zoro and sanji especially zero who would in the future be stronger than Mohawk he would easily be stronger than drake and all other super nova captains except law and kidd or maybe on their level.

 

[arv993]

Luffy has poor to no Observation Haki feats. Even if he did, he doesn't have the speed to avoid getting cut.

He still has it as Rayleigh was confident enough with leaving him alone on the island if he was bad at it compared to his other types u think Rayleigh would have done that no. Luffy is just goofy 90% of the time so yea he would get soloed by ppl like ceaser but that's it. He still has decent observational haki along with great speed feats good opponent for law while law has amazing cutting ability which is luffy is weak to in comparison

 

[Bogard]

They are rivals but they are in the meant to be slightly below luffy. Luffy has a much bigger challenge like Blackbeard, the navy but these guys are the there to entertain us while they take on schinukai like doflamingo and the yonko who are also luffy's main opponents. Ida probably created them to remind us there are others in the same generation that are strong and have plot relevance but no supernova crew is as strong as strawhats. They are mainly luffy's counterparts but luffy has a monster like zoro and sanji especially zero who would in the future be stronger than Mohawk he would easily be stronger than drake and all other super nova captains except law and kidd or maybe on their level.

Never said they won't be below Luffy or even Zoro. I'm just saying they aren't supposed to be that much below them at this present moment. They were just created. Would be stupid if they were already that much weaker during their arc introduction when they were only create with the goal to be concurrent. Them like Law were non-planed characters but you see how strong Law is now, right? I don't expect the others to be much weaker. Obviously after some time they will all be surpassed considering the ultimate challenge like you said is Blackbeard

 

[arv993]

Never said they won't be below Luffy or even Zoro. I'm just saying they aren't supposed to be that much below them at this present moment. They were just created. Would be stupid if they were already that much weaker during their arc introduction when they were only create with the goal to be concurrent. Them like Law were non-planed characters but you see how strong Law is now, right? I don't expect the others to be much weaker. Obviously after some time they will all be surpassed considering the ultimate challenge like you said is Blackbeard

Yea but Bonney, Capone, APoo, urouge are not likely luffy level atleast I believe. since Oda always portrayed law and Kidd to be super strong. That's what I meant I think the rest are important but not all at luffy level yea maybe close but not enough. Law was always thought to be strong but yes he is a monster and kidd too I believe but the rest no. And that's what I wanted to clarify. And I think neither law or kidds crew could take SH kidd might be close.

 

[Bogard]

Yea but Bonney, Capone, APoo, urouge are not likely luffy level atleast I believe. since Oda always portrayed law and Kidd to be super strong. That's what I meant I think the rest are important but not all at luffy level yea maybe close but not enough. Law was always thought to be strong but yes he is a monster and kidd too I believe but the rest no. And that's what I wanted to clarify. And I think neither law or kidds crew could take SH kidd might be close.

Like i've said, preskip Law only had the 5th greatest bounty(below Kid, Luffy, Hawkins, Drake). It's very unlikely that preskip at least he was stronger than them. He even seemed impressed/intrigued by Drake. Not to mention Hawkins and Drake were and continue to be in the top5 most regarded supernovas. I don't elieve them at least to be far below someone like Law if at all. I think as well that the way Apoo is portrayed(his conflict with Kid) plus the fact Kid judged him so strong to have no other choice than accepting an alliance with him to face a yonkou despite hating the guy is quite tellinge concerning his abilities. For Bonney, Capone and Urouge sure they can well be not living the hype considering they have lesser hype than the rest of the supernovas to begin with

 

[arv993]

Like i've said, preskip Law only had the 5th greatest bounty(below Kid, Luffy, Hawkins, Drake). It's very unlikely that preskip at least he was stronger than them. He even seemed impressed/intrigued by Drake. Not to mention Hawkins and Drake were and continue to be in the top5 most regarded supernovas. I don't elieve them at least to be far below someone like Law if at all. I think as well that the way Apoo is portrayed(his conflict with Kid) plus the fact Kid judged him so strong to have no other choice than accepting an alliance with him to face a yonkou despite hating the guy is quite tellinge concerning his abilities. For Bonney, Capone and Urouge sure they can well be not living the hype considering they have lesser hype than the rest of the supernovas to begin with

Law was with Kidd and luffy bounties are 100% accurate luffy had it high since he ****ed with the govt and kidd killed a lot of ppl. But law's ability was portrayed to be hax. Drake and Hawkins seem pretty strong I'll give u that. Apoo I'm not sure I want to see his abilities further illustrated. Law needs to team no matter what his crew seems weak and needs the supernovas to achieve his goals. Being impressed is good but doesn't mean he/she is weaker it's just an acknowledgement of strength.