[Discussion] Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji vs Law, X Drake, and Apoo
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No,He didn't. hmm
Not this again.Zzz
Drake sending Pacifista means nothing,It is just the nature of the attack. If Luffy punched a person then it would send him flying but it won't kill him but Zoro can cut the same person in half with single attack and he won't move from his location. What matters here is the amount of damage done by the attack not the nature of attack. He sent the Pacifista backwards but what is the use? Did that attack managed to damage the target? No. This kind of arguments are just stupid if u ask me.
I guess we have already discussed this: A weak ass Zoro actually managed to put a dent on the real deal where as Drake failed to put a dent on a weaker version so saying Drake is better than Zoro because he sent a Pacifista backwards is not a valid argument.
It is no different from saying that Zoro > Law because Zoro managed to overcome Fuji's gravity where as Law couldn't even lift a finger when he was under the effect of gravity.hmm This is childish. Despite of being a Zoro fan even I would laugh at someone if he thinks that Zoro is stronger than Law over such a reason.(I know that Law > Zoro.
)Jozu can't be stronger than Shanks just because he can throw icebergs and Shanks can't.hmm
Note: I am not saying that Zoro is stronger as I have no valid reason to think so and I am just pointing out the fact that u can't say that Drake is better than him over such a reason.
I admit that Drake being stronger than Zoro is entirely possible.
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The supernovas are really underrated by some here it seems
1- You know when Oda created them? Around Shabondy archipelo
2- You know why Oda created them? To create concurrence
We see here Kid, Law and Luffy trying to compete against each other:
Here we see Law concerned about Drake:
We see here Bonney, Capone, Hawkins, Apoo, Urouge somehow concerned by Zoro:
Apoo says it better as well that Law shouldn't have saved a future enemy(concurrent):
With the 2 above, the question you must ask yourself is why Oda would create rivals on the spot if the turns out to be much weaker(if at all) than Luffy during or a little after their arc introduction? Would make no sense right?
1- Law and Kid are Luffy's main rivals. True and wrong again. True because they are presented to be the rivals who will be the closest to Luffy in terms of competition somewhere around the end of the manga. Wrong because while it's true they are presented as his main rivals, it's only in the long time span. As it stands all the other supernovas are equally rivals to Luffy. Law and Kid are simply presented to be the one with the greatest potential/challenge to Luffy, not necessarly the current strongest
2- Just look at Law. 2 years prior he only had a bounty of 200millions berry, that means lower than the likes of Kid, Luffy, Drake, Hawkins. I know bounty doesn't represent strength but in my opinion it shows that Hawkins, Drake were at least around his level of strength. Infact they were the most famous according to Shakky:
3- Apoo is presented to be in conflict with Kid, even asking him to postpone their fight to when they enter the new world:
4- There is also the chapter supernovas vs 4 captains where the captains(mainly Urouge, Hawkins and Drake) were presented in similar light. Infact Urouge is the one who damaged pacifistas the most:
5- Killer is the only non-captain besides Zoro among the worse generation. It's very likely he was created to concurrence Zoro in accomplishments. Not to mention he earlier showed to be capable to compete with Urouge with Drake intervening and telling them to settle this in the new world:
The only one i'm unsure about is Bonney and Capone considering they don't have that much hype yet but Bonney at least seemed to want to have a grudge against Luffy/Zoro because of what they did in Shabondy:
1- You know when Oda created them? Around Shabondy archipelo
2- You know why Oda created them? To create concurrence
We see here Kid, Law and Luffy trying to compete against each other:
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Here we see Law concerned about Drake:
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We see here Bonney, Capone, Hawkins, Apoo, Urouge somehow concerned by Zoro:
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Apoo says it better as well that Law shouldn't have saved a future enemy(concurrent):
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With the 2 above, the question you must ask yourself is why Oda would create rivals on the spot if the turns out to be much weaker(if at all) than Luffy during or a little after their arc introduction? Would make no sense right?
1- Law and Kid are Luffy's main rivals. True and wrong again. True because they are presented to be the rivals who will be the closest to Luffy in terms of competition somewhere around the end of the manga. Wrong because while it's true they are presented as his main rivals, it's only in the long time span. As it stands all the other supernovas are equally rivals to Luffy. Law and Kid are simply presented to be the one with the greatest potential/challenge to Luffy, not necessarly the current strongest
2- Just look at Law. 2 years prior he only had a bounty of 200millions berry, that means lower than the likes of Kid, Luffy, Drake, Hawkins. I know bounty doesn't represent strength but in my opinion it shows that Hawkins, Drake were at least around his level of strength. Infact they were the most famous according to Shakky:
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And you see how strong Law is currently right? I don't expect the likes of Kid, Drake or Hawkins to do anything less or at least be able to operate on a similar level as it stands(infact i'm pretty confident someone like Kid or Drake will end up being stronger). After all even 2years prior Hawkins, Drake, Kid and Law remained the center of attention(with Blackbeard who joined the worse generation):
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After all, Kid judged someone like Hawkins is strong enough to help him in a fight against a yonkou3- Apoo is presented to be in conflict with Kid, even asking him to postpone their fight to when they enter the new world:
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. Not to mention he was also judged to be strong enough to be called by Kid/Killer to fight a yonkou despite Kid hating the guy:
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It shows that despite hating the guy, he was full confidence in his strength to the point he had no choice than accepting an alliance with thim4- There is also the chapter supernovas vs 4 captains where the captains(mainly Urouge, Hawkins and Drake) were presented in similar light. Infact Urouge is the one who damaged pacifistas the most:
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5- Killer is the only non-captain besides Zoro among the worse generation. It's very likely he was created to concurrence Zoro in accomplishments. Not to mention he earlier showed to be capable to compete with Urouge with Drake intervening and telling them to settle this in the new world:
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And is now part of the alliance to face a yonkou. Infact he is the one who called Hawkins and Apoo to make the alliance(not captain Kid) as an equalThe only one i'm unsure about is Bonney and Capone considering they don't have that much hype yet but Bonney at least seemed to want to have a grudge against Luffy/Zoro because of what they did in Shabondy:
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. Not to mention she seems related to the government somehow(the way Akainu spoke to her) and judging by Capone's design, he can easily end up being a greater broker than Doflamingo
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Fine let's clear up this X Drake bullshit once and for all.
Zoro put a dent in Kuma. All three Strawhats together managed to rip a Pacifista's clothes and send it flying
X Drake did enough damage to draw blood from a Pacifista all by himself. That's sufficient enough.
Zoro put a dent in Kuma. All three Strawhats together managed to rip a Pacifista's clothes and send it flying
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X Drake did enough damage to draw blood from a Pacifista all by himself. That's sufficient enough.
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Luffy and Law tie.
X Drake beats Zoro, mid diff.
Sanji beats Apoo.
So basically tie.
I don't understand what the point in these group battle threads are, we're basically setting off 2 characters against each other which can be done much easier in a 1v1 thread.
X Drake beats Zoro, mid diff.
Sanji beats Apoo.
So basically tie.
I don't understand what the point in these group battle threads are, we're basically setting off 2 characters against each other which can be done much easier in a 1v1 thread.
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Just like Zoro did.
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Granted he was injured at the time, Zoro still hasn't done anything special to a Pacifista.
What damage? Tore his clothes? Scan of Zoro doing the equivalent of drawing blood from a Pacifista?
Edit: Wait, Chopper's flaming whatever made the Pacifista bleed a little bit from his mouth. If Chopper can do that, then Zoro should reasonably be able to bring up more, so I retract my argument.
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Yeah like we clearly see on the page you post Zoro attacking the pacifista Lol. More like we see him struggling just to even stand. You really mean to compare close to death Zoro to fresh and transformed Drake now? Are you serious now? Lol
And here is the page of Zoro drawing blood from the real deal(PX-0=Kuma) without using his strongest attack
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When did Chopper do that?
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Law vs Luffy
Luffy was portrayed to be stronger pre time skip, after that Luffy had training with Silvers, but Law didn't take NW so serious at the first. So gap between two only increased. Luffy wins with high diff.
Zoro vs X Drake
I would lean toward Zoro fro know, because he trained with Mihawk and we don't know much of X Drake post TS.
Sanji vs Appo
Appo didn't impress me at all, Sanji take this.
Team one wins mid to high diff, leaning toward high.
Luffy was portrayed to be stronger pre time skip, after that Luffy had training with Silvers, but Law didn't take NW so serious at the first. So gap between two only increased. Luffy wins with high diff.
Zoro vs X Drake
I would lean toward Zoro fro know, because he trained with Mihawk and we don't know much of X Drake post TS.
Sanji vs Appo
Appo didn't impress me at all, Sanji take this.
Team one wins mid to high diff, leaning toward high.
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Pretty sure that's his clothes.
[video=youtube;nBi-z6rWzp0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBi-z6rWzp0[/video]
Anime also clears that up, it's his clothes. It's a rendition of a manga scene, so yes, canon.
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It's an insignificant amount, but Zoro should be able to bring up a larger amount at 100%.
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Your right, excuse me. He high diffs him.
Zoro at this point in time can not beat X Drake, and if you think he can then k.
And I dislike Apoo so that's the bias talking. He can probably tie with him since he's been portrayed as one of the weaker Supernovas.
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Apoo portrayed as one of the weakest supernovas my ass Lol. Apoo is presented to be in conflict with Kid, even asking him to postpone their fight to when they enter the new world:
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. Not to mention he was also judged to be strong enough to be called by Kid/Killer to fight a yonkou despite Kid hating the guy(and they were again in conflict 2 years later):
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It shows that despite hating the guy, he was full confidence in his strength to the point he had no choice than accepting an alliance with thimBesides even against the weaker ones, it's highly unlikely that Sanji would win. The only supernovas i see Sanji winning against are maybe Bonney and Capone because they have less hype than the others but eventhen it's unlikely. They are supposed to be concurrents. According to Brownbeard ALL of them even 2 years later created big chaos in the new world:
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They aren't supposed to be much weaker than their fellow supernovas during their arc introduction. Maybe later Sanji will surpass some of them, but not now
How would Luffy beat Law ?
Are you telling me that Luffy can beat Law before Law can get the drop on Luffy only once and cut him in pieces ?
Don't come up with how fast luffy is because Law can teleport within his room. Luffy even needed Law's power to be able to land a hit on Doffy, meaning Law's teleport blindsid is faster than Gear second.
If Luffy is in Law's room he will be screwed. He doesn't even come close to hakified Vergo and he got cut up in 32 pieces.
All theories about Luffy can be pick himself up again are wrong. When Law cuts a bodypart he can stick it to anything (Vergo to the railing, Kinemon to the dragon, marines to crates and canonballs) And it took Luffy a lot of strength to free Kinemon from the dragon. So if his hand is cut and stuck to the ground he can't get loose himself.
Law is Luffy's worst nightmare in a fight. Luffy always takes time to understand a DF power of an enemy, but the intelligent Law will never give him that time and he will get his room up as soon as possible, and cut him in pieces.
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Then how did Sanji, Nami, Franky, and Chopper reattach Kinemon's head when Law cut it into a bunch of pieces? They just reconnected the pieces.
Yes ? So what ?
Law can choose to stick it to surfaces like he did to Kinemons legs or Vergo and the marines. Kinemons head was just in shambles laying in a corner of a cell.
Besides there is no Sanji, Nami, Franky, and Chopper around to pick Luffy up and puzzle him back together again with three supernova's breathing in their neck.
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He's not saying attaching the severed parts is difficult but pulling a part that was severed and attached to a foreign object is.
He's not saying if Law cuts Luffy's arm and attaches it to the ground that Luffy would have to put a lot of effort in attaching back, but detaching it from the ground will take a lot of effort. While Luffy is struggling to pull his arm free, Law can cut him further.
Luffy has good observational haki to not get sliced the first second he comes in to a fight . He is not some fodder look at law vs smoker did smoker lose so handily not really. Luffy's reaction speeds are insane, better than smoker easily so the gift be around the same level but in luffy's favor.