DA's Official Tier List: Final Revision

[ARGUS]

I would debate you. But I'm retired. Maybe one day.

lmao all good but you will lose this debate,

 

[LuckyMan]

Current Sasuke and Naruto are not in the same tier. By portrayal they are but looking at the feats, they aren't even close. This list is also clearly biased when it comes to Naruto too.

 

[Blunt]

Why is BSM Naruto and Minato in the same tier as RT Madara? Gai should be in tier 3. Number 8, doesn't even deserve a single tier to himself. Mei should move up one, or late war arc Tsunade should move down one.

Eh, I have a few more problems with the list, but it's alright otherwise. It's all subjective.

 

[Rιver]

Why is BSM Naruto and Minato in the same tier as RT Madara? Gai should be in tier 3. Number 8, doesn't even deserve a single tier to himself. Mei should move up one, or late war arc Tsunade should move down one.

Eh, I have a few more problems with the list, but it's alright otherwise. It's all subjective.

Gai isn't that strong. Everyone with Rikudo powers should be able to defeat Gai with moderate difficulty. He only lasted and damaged Madara so far, due to Madara's arrogance. As he noted, he only wanted to play. But in all seriousness the fight would have ended before it even started. Gai was assisted and Madara was also like a rag doll to him since he didn't attack. And that's only that form of Madara.

 

[Haizaki]

Gai isn't that strong. Everyone with Rikudo powers should be able to defeat Gai with moderate difficulty. He only lasted and damaged Madara so far, due to Madara's arrogance. As he noted, he only wanted to play. But in all seriousness the fight would have ended before it even started. Gai was assisted and Madara was also like a rag doll to him since he didn't attack. And that's only that form of Madara.

Don't know what this is supposed to mean.

- Gai went toe to toe with a Juubi Jin and overpowered him before he got help(since he had no order way of making contact with the TSB). BM Minato and Naruto being above him is something I won't bother arguing.

- Madara wanting to play when he said to himself :

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. The main point is the people in Tier 5 don't stand a chance of doing so.

- Did you see what happened with Minato and the others as well? Madara singlehandedly overpowered them with ease and it took combined powers to save just one person. Meanwhile Gai was pretty much pressurizing him all by himself. Not to mention the only role of Kakashi and Co was helping him get past the TSB due to lack of being able to touch the TSB.

- It was pretty much confirmed Madara had to defend his whole body in other to protect himself

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simply because he was getting overpowered. Gai's only disadvantage was lacking the Rikudou's chakra to touch the TSB. If Madara wanted to just take hits, why would he be defending against and attacking Gai as well?

 

[elsepa]

Shit list, no offense.

 

[Rιver]

Don't know what this is supposed to mean.

- Gai went toe to toe with a Juubi Jin and overpowered him before he got help(since he had no order way of making contact with the TSB). BM Minato and Naruto being above him is something I won't bother arguing.

- Madara wanting to play when he said to himself :

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. The main point is the people in Tier 5 don't stand a chance of doing so.

- Did you see what happened with Minato and the others as well? Madara singlehandedly overpowered them with ease and it took combined powers to save just one person. Meanwhile Gai was pretty much pressurizing him all by himself. Not to mention the only role of Kakashi and Co was helping him get past the TSB due to lack of being able to touch the TSB.

- It was pretty much confirmed Madara had to defend his whole body in other to protect himself

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simply because he was getting overpowered. Gai's only disadvantage was lacking the Rikudou's chakra to touch the TSB. If Madara wanted to just take hits, why would he be defending against and attacking Gai as well?

I'm assuming you comprehended the scan you posted, where Madara admitted the fight was mere play. I think it's pretty much obvious what would've happened if he was bloodlusted.

 

[KidGamer65]

Neither of the twos slashes are enough to bypass their PS, seeing how Madaras PS was destroyed by an attack that was stronger than ten PS-infused TBB, so it all comes down to attrition,
unless you think that ems sasukes PS has the output stronger than PS-Kyuubi,

and madara can still attack sasuke more repeatedly since he has 2 blades as opposed to one, (which is where the main offense of PS comes from)

it all matters on how much chakra sasuke has received, meaning that their battle is close enough to put them in the same tier,

Since when did positions on tier lists focus on VS. situations only. A PS enhanced by Senjutsu and Yin Yang Kurama/Naruto's chakra is much stronger than Madara's PS, so regardless of whether or not he outputs power to put himself on Shinsusuenju's tier, he is still a tier above Madara.

Yet Sasuke's strikes are far stronger.

 

[Apêx1]

Heavily biased list when it comes to Naruto, but it's expected of you.
-Gai should be way higher than he was placed. He should be capable of shitting on the upper tiers, which should add to his 'value' shouldn't it?
-EMS sasuke should be higher, Akatsuki cloak Sasuke is MS Sasuke, he should be higher than Hebi.. meaning tier 10.
-Dariu should be higher.
-Uchiha Kagami should logically be way higher.
-Haku should be tier 14.
-Add Gold and Silver brothers.
-Raise 3rd Raikage one tier.
-Obito Uchiha (Rinnegan/Mangekyo Sharingan) is far above KCM Naruto.

 

[Penguin]

Tier 8 shouldn't be with just KCM Naruto. 6POP, DSM Kabuto, and MS Obito in there.

 

[ARGUS]

Since when did positions on tier lists focus on VS. situations only.

Siince the fact that anyone that KCC sasuke beats, EMS Madara can beat as well,

A PS enhanced by Senjutsu and Yin Yang Kurama/Naruto's chakra is much stronger than Madara's PS, so regardless of whether or not he outputs power to put himself on Shinsusuenju's tier, he is still a tier above Madara.

you are vastly overrating the boost here, not to mention that sasukes EMS PS is still inferior to madaras prior to the boost,
the boost only puts it slightly above madaras, and even thats debatable due to the fact that sasukes PS lacks feats.
and like i said, madara can still pressure sasuke and put him on the defensive by attacking him more frequently since he possesses 2 blades as opposed to one,

so it all comes down to attrition therefore he shouldnt be a tier above madara, regardless of the boost,

and @Bold Lol, - SS crushes his PS with only one chojo kobetsu, sasukes PS output is nowhere near its level meaning that sasuke is not busting his PS as easily as ur stating it out to be

Yet Sasuke's strikes are far stronger.

not strong enough to bypass his PS, and not strong enough to put him an entire tier above madara when both of them can beat the same people, and lose to the same people.
and with their battle coming to attrition means that they both would be pushed to their limits,

 

[KidGamer65]

Siince the fact that anyone that KCC sasuke beats, EMS Madara can beat as wel

Except Sasuke would do worse, much worse.

you are vastly overrating the boost here, not to mention that sasukes EMS PS is still inferior to madaras prior to the boost,
the boost only puts it slightly above madaras, and even thats debatable due to the fact that sasukes PS lacks feats.

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Wow, what kind of ridiculous nonsense is this? I dunno how many times I'm gonna have to ask you to prove that the gap is this large only to get no real response but "No feats". Sasuke's Legged Susanoo was tiers above Madara's Legged Susanoo. Same with PS as the jump from Susanoo doesn't change from user to user, strength between user's differs, not the jump in strength. No such fanfictional gap between Madara and Sasuke's Susanoo exist for you to say that Madara's is still superior even after a boost well over 6x the original strength and Senjutsu on top of it.

and like i said, madara can still pressure sasuke and put him on the defensive by attacking him more frequently since he possesses 2 blades as opposed to one,

And like I said, irrelevant as Sasuke's strikes are much stronger, so he'd break through Madara's offense easier, and hit his Susanoo.

so it all comes down to attrition therefore he shouldnt be a tier above madara, regardless of the boost,

Uh, no, it doesn't. It coming to attrition doesn't change the fact that his best move is still far ahead of Madara's best move, whether or not he can get through Madara's defenses is irrelevant.

and @Bold Lol, - SS crushes his PS with only one chojo kobetsu, sasukes PS output is nowhere near its level meaning that sasuke is not busting his PS as easily as ur stating it out to be

No shit, I obviously never said that it was up there, nor did I ever say he busts his Susanoo. Are you even reading before you reply?

not strong enough to bypass his PS, and not strong enough to put him an entire tier above madara when both of them can beat the same people, and lose to the same people.
and with their battle coming to attrition means that they both would be pushed to their limits,

Not really. Sasuke destroys people EMS Madara would lose or stalemate to. For example, Hashirama without Shinsuusenju, stands no chance against Sasuke whatsoever, yet he'd stalemate, if not defeat EMS Madara. Quit mentioning attrition when its irrelevant. Take Sasuke w/o Legged or Perfect Susanoo, what tier does he go in according to you?

It coming down to attrition only means they'll be tired out, because neither can break through the other's defense, even though that shit isn't even true since they can still string a chain of repeated slashes, and let the damage pile up over time.

 

[blazekev90]

Good list. The only major issue is Killer Bee, he's placed too high.

 

[adeshina365]

Sasuke solos via solo clap.

 

[Eternal Sage]

Not sure how I feel about kcm naruto a tier above edo itachi Lol

 

[MickNerks]

Strongly feel like Hachimon Tonko No Jin Might Gai is to low. He stomps everyone in his tier with the upmost ease.

He should be one tier higher.

 

[Rιver]

@KidGamer, how does EMS Sasuke even stand up to Hashirama? Buddha restricted or not, hM ends the fight before it even begins. The only reason why Madara could stand up to Hashirama during their confrontation was due to his Susano'O's size and ability to hold it back. Sasuke's PS naturally being smaller, indicates that any and every elemental attacks is absorbed by the dragon and PS restrained by either gates/Mokuryu. Hashirama in base also is presumably faster than Sasuke, what about HM? It would be a more fair fight if Hashirama didn't have HM.

 

[Haizaki]

I'm assuming you comprehended the scan you posted, where Madara admitted the fight was mere play. I think it's pretty much obvious what would've happened if he was bloodlusted.

I'm assuming you didn't...Once again, no one in Tier 5 is above Gai. Madara never admitted it was a mere play when he said to himself he had to avoid being hit (which you obviously didn't read) and tried to defend himself twice. Not to mention, Gai bypassed him 5 times before he was helped meanwhile other characters before that failed to do so. Stop trying to downplay what happened by saying he let Gai hit him or so.

 

[Rιver]

I'm assuming you didn't...Once again, no one in Tier 5 is above Gai. Madara never admitted it was a mere play when he said to himself he had to avoid being hit (which you obviously didn't read) and tried to defend himself twice. Not to mention, Gai bypassed him 5 times before he was helped meanwhile other characters before that failed to do so. Stop trying to downplay what happened by saying he let Gai hit him or so.

Yeah, let's assume Gai > Madara.

 

[synkross]

1st off, why the hell is 8th gate Guy placed so low? He not only beat the shit out of Juubi Madara but was also Dominating in the whole fight.

Secondly, why Rinnegan Obito and MS Obito are so low? Kabuto even with all his Edos, shitted his pants when Obito threatened him to tell the secrets of EDO Tensei.
Rinnegan Obito should be in the same tier as Kabuto and Orochimaru.

Lastly what is the difference between 1 Rinnegan Juubi Madara and Shinju absorbed 1 rinnegan Juubi Madara, he is feat less, except snatching Kakashi's eye and being cut by Sasuke.