Nagato vs MS Obito

[Bogard]

Obito wins both scenarios due to Izanagi+Kamui

 

[Xlad]

Obito wins via outlasting Nagato with Izanagi.

 

[ARGUS]

He has full knowledge here, no reason to go straight for the kill.

Apart from Kamui, none of his attacks are even worth mentioning here,

Even if it does hit Obito, ST is just a repulsive force, on its own it has no DC at all (at least the weaker versions), it only does significant damage to the opponent when they collide with something (e.g. the ground), once Obito starts to get repelled, he activates Kamui, and thus stopping him from colliding with any objects and receiving any kind of significant damage. Or he simply activates Izanagi.

Wrong
ST is still damaging obito and its stopping him from landing any blow whatsoever, seeing how theres no CD at all
whether Obito uses kamui to turn intangible or not, he would still suffer,

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moreover, turning intangible would just result in obito landing heavily in the kamui dimension, since all he is doing is sending his body in the dimension,which still has physical properties meaning that obito still gets affected,

and claiming that ST has no DC at all, is also wrong,

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meaning that obitos gets blown meters away, the moment he solidifies to attack

and @Bold - what good is izanagi doing, as 5-10 mins are clearly not enough to outlast nagato,

It doesn't matter if Nagato's reserves are higher. Nagato's techniques cost him considerably more chakra than Kamui costs from Obito, that is enough for him to outlast Nagato.

Nope, nagatos reserves are not even remotely affected by using ST the moment obito uses the kamui warp,
and the damage dealt to obito would just cost him alot more than it would cost nagato,

obito outlasting here is a joke

Obito doesn't manifest physically, in fact, he is always physically "manifested", he only warps his body parts (the ones that are about to get hit by the incoming attack) to Kamui dimension and warps them back immediately after the attack phases through, making it seem as if he phased through them, he doesn't need to be "tangible" to attack, as he doesn't warp all of his body parts when the enemy attacks, he only needs to be "tangible" to warp his opponents or himself.

I dont see whats the point of this,
Obito needs to turn TANGIBLE, (happy), in-order to warp,, as apart from that none of his attacks are doing anything whatsoever, his katons are non factor, and his mere mokutons are either countered by missiles or simply blown away by ST, which nagato certainly has the capacity to spam, seeing how this time, he is not using it through a mere puppet thats located kilometres away

and Obito still needs to solidify a part of his body in-order to attack, and that part can still get attacked by ST, as the repulsive force will still result in obito getting blown away,
Obito making it seem like he's tangible or not is still irrelevant when nagato here has no CD at all, meaning that he can just ST again, furthermore nagato just needs one touch and obito can be killed through ningendo, or immobilised thorugh chakra rods

Nagato having intel changes nothing, he can use ST all he wants, he isn't doing shit to Obito.

Lol, wrong again,
like i said ST is still affecting obito, as even if he turns intangible, his body would end up landing in the kamui dimension, which still possesses physical properties thus the impact is still affecting obito,
Obito on the other hand has no hopes of even landing a hit on nagato,

Outlasting = when Nagato runs out of chakra. He can't use ST or Shurado missiles if he has no chakra.

Yeah, and Nagato doesnt run out of chakra before obito
you have not told me anything on how obito wwins, or how he outlasts nagato here,

he managed to solo the entire konoha and fight naruto and kyuubi in a crippled and emaciated state, through his mere puppets that were placed kilometres away,and then even used RT to revive all of the konoha Lol

using a casual ST that blew up the forest and shuradoo missiles are not affecting nagato here
not to mention that with full intel, he would know to attack obito only when he turns tangible, he is never running out before obito does, as the damage dealt to obito is definitely higher than nagato using a few ST when obito solidfies to warp

 

[KidGamer65]

Even if it does hit Obito, ST is just a repulsive force, on its own it has no DC at all (at least the weaker versions), it only does significant damage to the opponent when they collide with something (e.g. the ground), once Obito starts to get repelled, he activates Kamui, and thus stopping him from colliding with any objects and receiving any kind of significant damage. Or he simply activates Izanagi.

It doesn't matter if Nagato's reserves are higher. Nagato's techniques cost him considerably more chakra than Kamui costs from Obito, that is enough for him to outlast Nagato.

All he needs to do, is do

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. So he can hurt Obito, hell, he can kill him.

 

[synkross]

Obito wins both scenarios, u did not put any ristriction on Izanagi which means Nagato gets a rod in his head.
Obito's Izanagi lasts 10mins plus Obito has a lab full of sharingan, he can teleport at any time get the next eye...plug and play.
And repeat the whole Izanagi process.

 

[Chīkara]

Nagato wins

 

[Strict]

Nagato wins the first scenario rather easy, as no cooldown means that Obito could never lay a hand on him, or even if he does so, he gets pushed off.

Obito wins the second scenario, probably even without Izanagi. For example, Obito could just simulate to lay a hand on Nagato so latter uses Shinra Tensei - a strategy Obito already used against Torune and Fu - and then, within the cooldown, he actually sucks him in. With his Mokuton and large scale Katon, there would be a few more strategies.

 

[Haizaki]

Nagato wins scenario 1.

Obito wins scenario 2.

 

[NSUNSR]

Nagato wins both scenarios, with the first one being quite an easy fight.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Apart from Kamui, none of his attacks are even worth mentioning here,

And how does this counter that specific point ?

Wrong
ST is still damaging obito and its stopping him from landing any blow whatsoever, seeing how theres no CD at all
whether Obito uses kamui to turn intangible or not, he would still suffer, similar to how minato sufferred after teleporting from the mere impact from obitos warp,, which also had no DC,
moreover, turning intangible would just result in obito landing heavily in the kamui dimension, since all he is doing is sending his body in the dimension,which still has physical properties meaning that obito still gets affected,

Forgive me, but I don't see your point here, nor do I see how any of it even makes sense.

and claiming that ST has no DC at all, is also wrong, seeing how a casual ST from nagato resulted in destroying the entire trees meaning that obitos gets blown meters away, the moment he solidifies to attack

What ? those trees are intact, they aren't destroyed, Nagato simply pushed them away.

and @Bold - what good is izanagi doing, as 5-10 mins are clearly not enough to outlast nagato,

Outlasting was never the reason he would use Izanagi, Obito would only need it in case he takes a strong blow to his body.

Nope, nagatos reserves are not even remotely affected by using ST the moment obito uses the kamui warp,
and the damage dealt to obito would just cost him alot more than it would cost nagato,

obito outlasting here is a joke

Konan stated that ST shortens his

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. Nagato's nose bled when he used

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.

Obito never had any problem spamming Kamui, nor has he ever had any strain with it.

It's quite clear whose techniques takes more chakra from the user.

I dont see whats the point of this,
Obito needs to turn TANGIBLE, (happy), in-order to warp,, as apart from that none of his attacks are doing anything whatsoever, his katons are non factor, and his mere mokutons are either countered by missiles or simply blown away by ST, which nagato certainly has the capacity to spam, seeing how this time, he is not using it through a mere puppet thats located kilometres away

and Obito still needs to solidify a part of his body in-order to attack, and that part can still get attacked by ST, as the repulsive force will still result in obito getting blown away,

I was just clearing that up, that's all.

Obito making it seem like he's tangible or not is still irrelevant when nagato here has no CD at all, meaning that he can just ST again,

Unless he can use a continuous ST, he still has to use it in time before Obito warps him or stabs him with Mokuton. if not, it's GG.

furthermore nagato just needs one touch and obito can be killed through ningendo, or immobilised thorugh chakra rods

Because Nagato is definitely going to touch him when KCM/BM Naruto had trouble doing so on his own, right ? :| smh...

, wrong again,
like i said ST is still affecting obito, as even if he turns intangible, his body would end up landing in the kamui dimension, which still possesses physical properties thus the impact is still affecting obito,
Obito on the other hand has no hopes of even landing a hit on nagato,

Wtf am I reading here ?

Note : I didn't reply to the points that I already countered.

All he needs to do, is do this. So he can hurt Obito, hell, he can kill him.

Well, that's exactly what I said in the bold. But still, a Shinra Tensei on that scale isn't killing Obito, considering the latter survived a Rasengan from Minato on his back, not to mention he has full knowledge here, so he would be smart enough not to go straight to the kill, so that isn't happening, not to mention ST takes a hand movement, allowing Obito to perceive when ST is going to be used and use Kamui to phase through it.

 

[wael reda]

ye ah thats not happening, when obito has no way of perceiving ST at all, not even a sensor such as SM naruto could,

so there are ocular techs can't be sensed just like Deva path, sasuke’s rinn shifting and kamui

I don't know why you don't want to admit that kamui can't be sensed, never was sensed

even jiubi jin like madara couldn't know that kakashi and obito were going to use kamui together

even sm minato didn't know that kakashi warped his senpo rasengan away

when kakashi warped madara’s gudomas away, why didn't madara evade it by moving the gudoma ball which surround him?

saying kamui can be sensed just like amatrasu is a pure assumption, equalising kamui and amatrasu is totally unfair


what do you think?

 

[Demonic.]

Obito wins both scenarios, u did not put any ristriction on Izanagi which means Nagato gets a rod in his head.
Obito's Izanagi lasts 10mins plus Obito has a lab full of sharingan, he can teleport at any time get the next eye...plug and play.
And repeat the whole Izanagi process.

Is anyone going to call this clown out on Izanagi lasting 10 minutes and the preposterous lab thing

 

[Benjamin King]

Scenario 1 - Depending on how he plays his cards, he should win it. His sensory feats are high; able to detect Kabuto from km, sensed Amatersu's build up, and which all can be enhanced by his Rain technique. All of those feats will give him the ability to detect Obito's moment to wrap him, which he can intercept using Shinra Tensei. Obito needs to become physical, thus vulnerable to blunt force damage.

Scenario 2 - Nagato would win it high difficulty. Assuming he had already damaged Obito at the moment of Kamui absorption, Obito's chances of wrapping him again are low, due to receiving such heavy damage. [

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] And even if he relies on Izanagi, Nagato's sensory keeps him on note.​

 

[Apêx1]

Asura has shown 360 degree vision, meaning Nagato is capable of utilising this. This means that with his Rinnegan and sensing, Obito should have an extremely hard time warping Nagato. This becomes even harder when he has the ability to use ST endlessly, each of which could potentially end the fight. More so, if Nagato places his hand on Obito when Obito attempts to warp him, he can easily use Soul rip, which in turn would force Obito to stop Kamui's initiation altogether. Nagato has good reaction speeds imo, he was able to stop a free falling Bee's striking speed with ease, something which is often underrated. He was capable of jumping back when Bee used his v2 despite his lack of mobility, once again, is often overlooked. Nagato can also utilise his chakra rods to gain a heavy range advantage on Obito given this will mostly be a CQC fight for Obito, who can do nothing from a distance. All his large scale Katons, and other attacks, would easily be absorbed. Once this range advantage is established, Obito will have a hard time touching Nagato without being in contact with the chakra rod, which will allow for even more proficient ST timing.

Obito wins second scenario due to Izanagi.

 

[KidGamer65]

Well, that's exactly what I said in the bold. But still, a Shinra Tensei on that scale isn't killing Obito, considering the latter survived a Rasengan from Minato on his back, not to mention he has full knowledge here, so he would be smart enough not to go straight to the kill, so that isn't happening, not to mention ST takes a hand movement, allowing Obito to perceive when ST is going to be used and use Kamui to phase through it.

He's shown to use Shinra Tensei stronger than that. CST, and his ST that tossed the Gama Trio out of the village. So scale isn't an issue, he is more than capable of killing Obito with Shinra Tensei.

And no, Shinra Tensei doesn't require a hand movement, just a thought. [

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] So Obito won't see it coming, thus he'll get hit and turned to paste.

Whether or not he goes straight for the kill is irrelevant. He's not fast enough to blitz Nagato with no reaction, and with no cooldown, the moment he tries to warp him, or even while he's warping him, Shinra Tensei blows him away and slams him into the ground with enough force to kill him. How else will he land his warp? He has no distractions, no way to make a smokescreen of a sort (Literal or Figuratively)

 

[RustledJimmies]

He's shown to use Shinra Tensei stronger than that. CST, and his ST that tossed the Gama Trio out of the village. So scale isn't an issue, he is more than capable of killing Obito with Shinra Tensei.

And no, Shinra Tensei doesn't require a hand movement, just a thought. [

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] So Obito won't see it coming, thus he'll get hit and turned to paste.

Whether or not he goes straight for the kill is irrelevant. He's not fast enough to blitz Nagato with no reaction, and with no cooldown, the moment he tries to warp him, or even while he's warping him, Shinra Tensei blows him away and slams him into the ground with enough force to kill him. How else will he land his warp? He has no distractions, no way to make a smokescreen of a sort (Literal or Figuratively)

hmm Ok, I concede, Nagato wins scenario 1.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Minato barely had time to use ftg and even then Obito admitted he didn't warp Minato at full speed Nagato gets warped end of discussion.

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato barely had time to use ftg and even then Obito admitted he didn't warp Minato at full speed Nagato gets warped end of discussion.

Minato had more than enough time to warp, and how is Obito going to touch Nagato to even begin warping him? Oh wait, he won't.

 

[blazekev90]

Wow, people really underestimate ST, presumably due to lack of knowledge. Also, considering Nagato's intent throughout the series, I feel we never got the chance to truly see what he's capable of.

 

[Draphsin]

Dunno if nagato has faster sensory "reflexes" [can sense faster than others], but obito has already easily warped away a sensor, fu. [

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] I fail to see how obito can't apply the same strategy to quickly dispatch nagato.

Obito wins both scenarios, high diff for the first & mid for the 2nd.