[Discussion] For the posters who understimate how strong Akatsuki really was..

[Michael92]

Maybe its some kind of Sharingaan decease?

 

[Michael92]

I didnt reply because i didnt know what you were on about

 

[Blizzard589]

Still it doesn`t make any sense. How can someone that young get a life threatning decease?(i know its possible, but the odds are small)

People of all ages die all the time from diseases of all kinds. Kishi probably wanted us to take that as his way of saying nothing could take Itachi down but a disease from the inside.

 

[Michael92]

People of all ages die all the time from diseases of all kinds. Kishi probably wanted us to take that as his way of saying nothing could take Itachi down but a disease from the inside.

Yeah, nice point

I hope Madara dies of a decease form nowhere, or maybe even a heart-attack when he/we get to see Danzo/(Body flicker)`s Sharingaan

 

[The Pervy Sage]

Still it doesn`t make any sense. How can someone that young get a life threatning decease?(i know its possible, but the odds are small)

Emotional distress from killing you whole clan/family throughs you into an extreme state of depression and causes your body to start failing making you extremely ill?

 

[Sharpism]

you misunderstood what i meant about itachi and hidan. if itachi cast a genjutsu on hidan and controlled him, using itachi's knowledge and battle skills, hidan wouldnt get his head cut off because itachi wouldnt simply let someone cut off his head. it would be a perfect team! think of hidan as itachi's immortal kagebunshin with the ability to curse someone with a single drop of blood. and with itachi's skills, he could probably think up 1000 ways to get a single drop of blood from someone.

Then why doesn't Itachi do that with Kisame or even Sasori? In your opinion Itachi + anyone = Perfect team because itachi is so skilled that he could do something like that. But you never see anyone under a Genjutsu ACTUALLY being controlled by the caster. That leads me to believe that it's not possible.
Genjutsu alters the signals the body sends to the brain not the opposite way around. Its hard to understand if you don't get it right away BUT you eyes don't actually "SEE" things, they just take the image and translate it into a signal that the brain can comprehend. You don't actually "HEAR" things with your ears it just takes the signals of sound and changes it into something the brain can comprehend.
What genjutsu does is it changes those signals of the 5 senses, to alter them to the way they want. It'd take a lot of effort to control someone through these sorts of aspects.


Next of all, why have ONE person do the amount of work for 2 people? When both of them are PERFECTLY capable to do the same amount of work themselves?

Lastly, Hidan + Kakuzu were a perfect team regardless of what you say. Them TOGETHER were UNBEATABLE. That is why Shikimaru split them up. He figured that out. If Hidan + Kakuzu didn't get split up then they WOULDN'T have gotten beat. Regardless of who was there.

 

[Sharpism]

Still it doesn`t make any sense. How can someone that young get a life threatning decease?(i know its possible, but the odds are small)]

Emotional distress from killing you whole clan/family throughs you into an extreme state of depression and causes your body to start failing making you extremely ill?

Great things happen to bad people and bad things happen to great people. Good things also happen to good people and Bad things also happen to bad people. Its the way the world works and there isn't any changing it.
Lets say you find the cure to cancer does that AUTOMATICALLY make you immune to getting your ass kicked so badly you're a vegetable? No.
The decease could have been from using Susano'o too much or even a simple cold.
Assuming Missing Nin AND Akatsuke wouldn't be helped by ninja villages that automatically takes them out of the running for GOOD medical help. [Think it like you're a KNOWN terrorist and then you go to a United Nations Hospital to get treatment.. They wont treat you they'll call the police..]

 

[Michael92]

Assuming Missing Nin AND Akatsuke wouldn't be helped by ninja villages that automatically takes them out of the running for GOOD medical help. [Think it like you're a KNOWN terrorist and then you go to a United Nations Hospital to get treatment.. They wont treat you they'll call the police..]

Hahaxd Good though

 

[Sharpism]

Hahaxd Good though

It's true. Lmfaooo. D; Since they wouldn't treat him at the BEST facilities [assuming that the great 5 have the best] that means he wouldn't have been able to get the best care out there.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Deidara gets a 6/10- Good techniques, he let his emotions get the better of him a bit too much. He was also only 19 which is hardly older than Sasuke. Sasuke beat him, and may have beat him even easier had Sasuke not been trying to squeeze info out of him about Itachi.

Pain gets 9/10- Nuff said. Chibaku Tensei anyone? The technique that created the moon. The technique... that...created...the...MOON.

Itachi gets 8/10- Would probably take out about 3 of Pains bodies. Ultimately, well placed Shinra tenseis would knock Amaterasu back, and Pain could keep up Chibaku Tensei longer than Itachi could keep up Susanoo.

Hidan gets like a 2...he's a failed experiment/dumbass/my bitch.

Kakuzu gets a 5.5/6 out of 10- He wasnt totally weak. MAY have had Kakashi, but also remember that Kakashi was preparing to use Kamui when Kakuzu had him in his threads. We don't know how that woulda turned out, but since Kakuzu had Kakashi in grasp I think Kakashi MAY have pulled him into the dimension. Hard to say though.

Konan gets 3- Even though getting beat by Jiraiya is expected, she was just TOO easy for him.

Kisame gets a 6-Samehada betrayed him which was an unforeseen event. He kinda reminded me of the Saiyans from DB because of his whole "I'll only get stronger when I fight a strong opponent and heal thing". He got his ass beat by Raikage and Bee though.

Zetsu gets an 8- Wanna know why? He's an effin G. He tricked all the Kages like they were fools. He's also a plant, which is always in the 3rds pipe.

Sasori gets a 4 because he was beaten by Sakura and Chiyo. He was severely downplayed though and I think that he could have made a great opponent.

 

[The Pervy Sage]

Deidara gets a 6/10- Good techniques, he let his emotions get the better of him a bit too much. He was also only 19 which is hardly older than Sasuke. Sasuke beat him, and may have beat him even easier had Sasuke not been trying to squeeze info out of him about Itachi.

Pain gets 9/10- Nuff said. Chibaku Tensei anyone? The technique that created the moon. The technique... that...created...the...MOON.

Itachi gets 8/10- Would probably take out about 3 of Pains bodies. Ultimately, well placed Shinra tenseis would knock Amaterasu back, and Pain could keep up Chibaku Tensei longer than Itachi could keep up Susanoo.

Hidan gets like a 2...he's a failed experiment/dumbass/my bitch.

Kakuzu gets a 5.5/6 out of 10- He wasnt totally weak. MAY have had Kakashi, but also remember that Kakashi was preparing to use Kamui when Kakuzu had him in his threads. We don't know how that woulda turned out, but since Kakuzu had Kakashi in grasp I think Kakashi MAY have pulled him into the dimension. Hard to say though.

Konan gets 3- Even though getting beat by Jiraiya is expected, she was just TOO easy for him.

Kisame gets a 6-Samehada betrayed him which was an unforeseen event. He kinda reminded me of the Saiyans from DB because of his whole "I'll only get stronger when I fight a strong opponent and heal thing". He got his ass beat by Raikage and Bee though.

Zetsu gets an 8- Wanna know why? He's an effin G. He tricked all the Kages like they were fools. He's also a plant, which is always in the 3rds pipe.

Sasori gets a 4 because he was beaten by Sakura and Chiyo. He was severely downplayed though and I think that he could have made a great opponent.

I agree with you on all apart from hidan and sasori, i would put hidan up to a 5 because he pretty much cant die, but his still an idiot lol. As for sasori i would put him up to a 7 because o his combo attacks with different elements and he would of been really hard to beat if it wasnt for narutos awsome attack

 

[twistedlink]

Still it doesn`t make any sense. How can someone that young get a life threatning decease?(i know its possible, but the odds are small)

Life threatening diseases are not nessecarily age based, and plenty of children, babies, teenagers, and people before 30 die of terminal illnesses, millions in fact each year.

Sorry for the personal insult but the bolded comment is simply the most retarded comment I have ever read.

 

[The Pervy Sage]

Life threatening diseases are not nessecarily age based, and plenty of children, babies, teenagers, and people before 30 die of terminal illnesses, millions in fact each year.

Sorry for the personal insult but the bolded comment is simply the most retarded comment I have ever read.

Nice one dude, its possible and kishi did this because it fit in with the story o how itachi wanted to survive so he could fight sasuke when he was was ready and would do anything to live to see that

 

[Sharpism]

I really want to know who you guys are doing a 1-10 comparison scale for this, who would be a 1 in your comparison scale? Because 4 for an Akatsuke member is ridiculous. Hidan may not have been smart but he was still an AMAZING Shinobi. Like I've said MULTIPLE THOUSANDS AND BILLIONS of times. If he wasn't AMAZING he wouldn't be on the Akatsuke. Hidan + Kakuzu = Godly. It's unfortunate that Shikimaru was there and was able to separate the two. ONE drop of blood and you were pretty much doomed. That is just as dangerous as ANY other Jutsu in this damn series. o____o;

All the Akatsuke either;
A) Wanted to lose.
B) Got ganged up on HARDCORE.
C) Already had 90% their information known.
REGARDING

A) Sasori COULD HAVE KILLED CHIYO, he didn't dodge the last attack in that fight. If he did he COULD have continued to fight. FOR A LONG LONG LONG time. Sakura didn't have any more antidote so IF Sasori DID dodge that last attack he could have hit Sakura ONCE more and she would have died. Same for Chiyo.

Itachi falls under this category. EVEN though he didn't WANT to die, he didn't want to kill his little brother. We got this story. END.

B) Deidara got ganged up on MULTIPLE times and fought off Gai, Lee, Neji, and TenTen WITH NO FRIGGN ARMS. FU he was weak. KTY. Plus he killed himself so~~ NYEH!

Pein just mention how many people he fought off, PLEASE do it. I dare you. Ontop of that he beat Jiraiya, and Hanzo.

Orochimaru died when he was SICK by Sasuke. [Sasuke WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT IF OROCHIMARU WASN'T ALREADY DIEING.] He then was finished off by Itachi.


Kisame essentually fights a 1 v 4, KB, Samehada, Sabu, and Ponta. Kisame has a HUGE sum of Chakra that is comparable to a Jinchuriki. Best of the 7 swordsmen. Case Closed.

Kakuzu

Spoiler

Kakuza seems to be one of the more underrated members of Akatsuki. He was able to use every element, and then combine them in attacks. He was able to detach body parts and then reattach them. He had 5 hearts making him very difficult to kill. He was actually about to defeat Kakashi, Ino and Chouji until Naruto and Yamato saved them by repelling the fire/wind attack. He even survived a direct hit from the Rasenshuriken (it did leave him disabled, but Kakashi had to finish him off while he was lying on the ground).

And lets look at how he lost his lives.
1.) During an ambush he got his heart impaled by Kakashi.
2.) Hidan's dumbass killed one of them with his ritual.
3.) Two more got taken out by the first ever Rasenshuriken.
4.) Kakashi finished off the last one.

Yeah Nanaki says it all.

C) Konan is still STRONG she put up a DECENT fight against Jiraiya, HOWEVER Jiraiya had knowledge of elements and she COULDN'T beat the elements Jiraiya used because hers were weaker. [Look up Chakra Elements :]]

Pein falls under this category also, he wouldn't have been beaten if they didn't know anything.

Orochimaru falls under this also. Sasuke spent like 3 years with him.. So OBVIOUSLY he knew about Orochimaru.

Sasori also had his MAIN trumpcard already figured out when Kankuro got poisoned and then they made a cure for the poison.
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Please tell me who you are comparing these people to. KTY.

 

[Michael92]

Life threatening diseases are not nessecarily age based, and plenty of children, babies, teenagers, and people before 30 die of terminal illnesses, millions in fact each year.

Sorry for the personal insult but the bolded comment is simply the most retarded comment I have ever read.

This is Naruto man. Madara is 100 + + years old and he has the health like a basketball player for F sake, and then suddenly Itachi has a mortal decease. That`s just too convinient.

Of course people dies, but he`s like the first one ever in Naruto who has any thing that connects to the real world.

Learn to read between the lines man. Don`t take it so straight forward...


I agree with Sharpism btw. None of the Akatsuki members is below 6/10, thats redickuless

 

[twistedlink]

This is Naruto man. Madara is 100 + + years old and he has the health like a basketball player for F sake, and then suddenly Itachi has a mortal decease. That`s just too convinient.

Of course people dies, but he`s like the first one ever in Naruto who has any thing that connects to the real world.

Learn to read between the lines man. Don`t take it so straight forward...


I agree with Sharpism btw. None of the Akatsuki members is below 6/10, thats redickuless

Sorry I didnt realise you had the epidemiological statistics of narutoland.

Note also that Madara is 1 of 2 (tsuchikage) 100 year olds kicking around like a basketball player and that Madara himself said he had special chakra accounting for his health.

Dont try and say you was speaking in terms of Naruto, because your original post suggests otherwise.

And even if you was speaking about Narutoverse, the sheer idea of stating a disease is rare or not is ludicrous, so either way its an epic fail.

Of course people dies, but he`s like the first one ever in Naruto who has any thing that connects to the real world.

Kimimaro??

Just because Kishi hasnt written loads of people dying of terminal illnesses doesnt mean theyre rare, it means he doesnt want his manga filled with loads of ill people, as last he checked he wasnt writing the script for House.

Learn to read between the lines man.

Learn to write properly and use some logic instead of mass posting in threads with useless info.

 

[Michael92]

Sorry I didnt realise you had the epidemiological statistics of narutoland.

Note also that Madara is 1 of 2 (tsuchikage) 100 year olds kicking around like a basketball player and that Madara himself said he had special chakra accounting for his health.

Dont try and say you was speaking in terms of Naruto, because your original post suggests otherwise.

And even if you was speaking about Narutoverse, the sheer idea of stating a disease is rare or not is ludicrous, so either way its an epic fail.



Kimimaro??

Just because Kishi hasnt written loads of people dying of terminal illnesses doesnt mean theyre rare, it means he doesnt want his manga filled with loads of ill people, as last he checked he wasnt writing the script for House.



Learn to write properly and use some logic instead of mass posting in threads with useless info.

Ho boy, we`re getting offensive. I don`t know about 16-20 years old kids die-ing around of a mortal decease where you live, but where i live, it`s rare for someone to die out of cancer when they`re only 19 for instance

I give you point for Kimimaru though, completly forgot about him, but anyhow. It looks like the old ones dies in battle and the young ones die out of deceases so far don`t bother commenting that part, since it was meant as a joke.

 

[The Pervy Sage]

Ho boy, we`re getting offensive. I don`t know about 16-20 years old kids die-ing around of a mortal decease where you live, but where i live, it`s rare for someone to die out of cancer when they`re only 19 for instance

I give you point for Kimimaru though, completly forgot about him, but anyhow. It looks like the old ones dies in battle and the young ones die out of deceases so far don`t bother commenting that part, since it was meant as a joke.

I do not mean any offence by this to anyone but look at 3rd world countries like africa, kids at the age of 5 die of terminal illnesses, so 19 for itachi isnt a big shock

 

[Sharpism]

Ho boy, we`re getting offensive. I don`t know about 16-20 years old kids die-ing around of a mortal decease where you live, but where i live, it`s rare for someone to die out of cancer when they`re only 19 for instance

I give you point for Kimimaru though, completly forgot about him, but anyhow. It looks like the old ones dies in battle and the young ones die out of deceases so far don`t bother commenting that part, since it was meant as a joke.

As I said he didn't have access to a cure, he was an outlaw. Most deceases and such are cured by really BASIC medicine that we take advantage of that are VERY important. This is the most likely factor as you don't see any Akatsuke with medical ninjutsu.

 

[Michael92]

I do not mean any offence by this to anyone but look at 3rd world countries like africa, kids at the age of 5 die of terminal illnesses, so 19 for itachi isnt a big shock

Yeah, but Itachi wasn`t/isn`t from the 3rd world countries like Africa now is hexd

Well there goes the theory of Itachi coming back down the toilet

Sharpism, Yeah i know. I only wished that wasn`t the case in the "Itachi matter"

But i guess it wouldn`t have matter if he wished to "die" at Sasuke`s hands anyway...