[Predictions] Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

[KASTAWAY]

it would be crazy if Naruto breathing problem and him passing out is the awaking of his bloodline limit. i think right now he is having the strongest emotions of his life. Ya i know Naruto has been emotionally and physically hurt before. but because of his personality not much gets to him long( he is a care free sprit), and physically the fox makes sure he always makes it.

but it seems most of the bloodline abilities are awaked by high levels of stress, maybe Naruto learning he may have lost sasuke completely and that he should be the one how kills him(or don't get in the way of sasuke being killed) has pushed him over the tipping point.

I think this would be the perfect time to give naruto a gift from his ancestors, a strong bloodline ability to complement the fox, sage mode, and naruto's style but improve on his weaknesses.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

well we have the sharingan and its powers too much and we still aren't too sure about the Rinnegan i actually think that somewhere in the future we will see the Rinnegan most probably Naruto having it though its just a WILD guess. but whats dissappointing is that the Byakugan and its powers have not been shown to the the extend the sharingan was show. Actually we know more about the Rinnegan than the Byakugan. Has anyone ever though that just the sharingan there can be a level of Byakugan (for example sharingans next level is MS) its very interesting if that happens and i will not get surprised to see Danzou having the Byakugan but thats highly impossible. But with Danzou i guess anything is possible

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

it would be crazy if Naruto breathing problem and him passing out is the awaking of his bloodline limit. i think right now he is having the strongest emotions of his life. Ya i know Naruto has been emotionally and physically hurt before. but because of his personality not much gets to him long( he is a care free sprit), and physically the fox makes sure he always makes it.

but it seems most of the bloodline abilities are awaked by high levels of stress, maybe Naruto learning he may have lost sasuke completely and that he should be the one how kills him(or don't get in the way of sasuke being killed) has pushed him over the tipping point.

I think this would be the perfect time to give naruto a gift from his ancestors, a strong bloodline ability to complement the fox, sage mode, and naruto's style but improve on his weaknesses.

what u wrote is very interesting, maybe Maybe Naruto has the Rinnegan just like Pain afterall he is the child of prophecy. It will be really cool if Naruto has the Rinnegan xd

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

now that we are seeing the sharingan or the MS true powers can we really say that Rinnegan is the strongest of the three Eye powers. That brought me to the question that if Danzou had fought Pain when he was invading Konoha who would have won. Most of the guys said that there was no way Danzou would have ever won against the Six Paths of Pain.
So now i ask this question who would have won if Pain fought Itachi or Pain fought Sasuke. I'm not comparing Sasuke with Itachi as we all know Itachi never intended to kill Sasuke so he never showed his TRUE powers (even Zetsu said that Itachi's performance was terrible although it can also be bcoz of his disease). so the MS vs Rinnegan which is the stronger. Naruto got extremely lucky bcoz he didn't had to fought all the six pains from the beginning as God Realm Pain fought after all or almost all the others were killed, plus he was prepared bringing all the powerful frogs and he came in Sage mode, he also used the fox's chakra to get out of one of Pain's strongest jutsus.

so guys who would have won : Itachi vs Pain, Sasuke vs Pain
and which is the strongest MS or Rinnegan
my guess is Rinnegan is has to be the strongest as the Sage had awesome powers plus we saw what Nagato can do with the Rinnegan

 

[Toshiro Whitehorn]

I agree with yusufms I really want to see sasuke's new susanoo in chapter 489 instead of it flipping back to naruto and the others or sakura and the others. I have no des wat it will do but it better be cool.

 

[Pervyy]

Yeah, that is logical but it isn't confirmed either. Kakashi could have been reminiscing about everyone he lost that were important to him and unlocked it differently then how a regular Uchiha would but nonetheless it shall remain in the air as to how he achieved it, that is unless Kishimoto gives us a flashback or something about it in a future chapter.

What I also found a bit humorous was that when Sasuke used this hawk summoning, etc. certain people claimed that he never trained or that it was simply a magical power-up but if you think about it what they claimed wasn't logical, right? Just as Kakashi obtained Mangekyou during the timeskip couldn't Sasuke have easily signed a contract for that summoning during the periods of time that we never saw him? If I remember correctly Naruto's summoning contract didn't take that much time to do and doubt it would have taken Sasuke longer than Naruto to obtain it. Sasuke already had knowledge about Manda and snake summoning so why is it so farfetched? He was bound to get another summoning since Orochimaru was no longer present within him and enabled him from using the snake summoning any longer.

Before I get into Sasuke's Susanoo completion, I would like to make a few comments about Sharingan in general. Every Uchiha member is not born with it but rather awakes it through experiencing an emotional/stressful event. This was seen through Obito fighting to protect Kakashi from an Iwagakure shinobi. The Kekkei Genkai can continue to evolve through repeated usage/training. From what I've seen the Mangekyou is gained through the agony of losing someone close to the wielder. This was shown through Sasuke, he never killed Itachi and instead he died on his own by giving into his illness. With that said I think we can all agree that Mangekyou can be awakened without killing the one(s) closest to the user.

Now, to move onto the Susanoo that Sasuke used this chapter. All Mangekyou abilities seem to be simular to the evolution of the Sharingan hence Sasuke awakening them after or during emotional/stressful events. He was shown able to activate Susanoo during with fight with Raikage which meant that he could've trained or simply met the requirements which was to at least have Tsukuyomi/Amaterasu awakened previously. It was to be expected that Sasuke would unleash his full Susanoo at some point because he was heavily using his Mangekyou and thus gaining experience with it. Sasuke also was an a very stressful situation when Danzo had used his juin and left him restrained and vulnerable to a lethal wound that Danzo was about to inflict. Is it just me or is it logical that Sasuke awakened his Susanoo due to the significant level of stress that he was experiencing? It seems as if the Sharingan and its abilities reaches its maximum after being in a dangerous/emotional situation. I just wanted to share some of my thoughts and it is only up to yourselves how you choose to interpret what occurs within the manga.​

Well explained, and colourful

 

[Pervyy]

Actually, Madara explained how Sasuke achieved the MS when he told Sasuke the truth about Itachi. He said that Itachi purposefully lured Oro out of Sasuke and then killed him because Oro was the person closest to Sasuke. Since Sasuke witnessed his death he got the MS. That means that maybe Kakashi got MS just because he witnessed the death of the closest person to him.

P.S. This is my first quote!

Well that's kind of agreing with what im saying about kakashi not killing someone close to him just to gain power

 

[Pervyy]

what u wrote is very interesting, maybe Maybe Naruto has the Rinnegan just like Pain afterall he is the child of prophecy. It will be really cool if Naruto has the Rinnegan xd

Yes that would be cool but on the other hand it would suck, that way naruto would just be way too awsome and no one would be able to beat him, atm hes just about awsome enough

 

[Pervyy]

I agree with yusufms I really want to see sasuke's new susanoo in chapter 489 instead of it flipping back to naruto and the others or sakura and the others. I have no des wat it will do but it better be cool.

I want them to show naruto getting off his ass ready to do something then head towards sasuke where him and danzo are going all out

 

[Pervyy]

now that we are seeing the sharingan or the MS true powers can we really say that Rinnegan is the strongest of the three Eye powers. That brought me to the question that if Danzou had fought Pain when he was invading Konoha who would have won. Most of the guys said that there was no way Danzou would have ever won against the Six Paths of Pain.
So now i ask this question who would have won if Pain fought Itachi or Pain fought Sasuke. I'm not comparing Sasuke with Itachi as we all know Itachi never intended to kill Sasuke so he never showed his TRUE powers (even Zetsu said that Itachi's performance was terrible although it can also be bcoz of his disease). so the MS vs Rinnegan which is the stronger. Naruto got extremely lucky bcoz he didn't had to fought all the six pains from the beginning as God Realm Pain fought after all or almost all the others were killed, plus he was prepared bringing all the powerful frogs and he came in Sage mode, he also used the fox's chakra to get out of one of Pain's strongest jutsus.

so guys who would have won : Itachi vs Pain, Sasuke vs Pain
and which is the strongest MS or Rinnegan
my guess is Rinnegan is has to be the strongest as the Sage had awesome powers plus we saw what Nagato can do with the Rinnegan

Well i doubt you can catch all 6 paths of pain in genjutsu at once, and god realm pain could probably blast back susanoo, i think pain would win i they didnt know his secret

 

[Naruto_Lee]

guys my predicion is

Status: PREDICTION
by: Numinous

Naruto 479: Momentum Shift
(Madara Scene)
Madara: (thinking) Izanagi, a technique that brings the user back to life with the sacrifice of a Sharingan. Normally, an Uchiha would only be able to use it twice before he was rendered useless. Heck, when I sacrificed my left eye to survive the battle againt Hashirama it took a great toll on my powers… but I guess he takes little damage from the jutsu because the Sharigan on his arm are exogenous to his body. But I wonder, how did Danzou acknowledge and mastered such kinjutsu? He must’ve read the tablets in the Naka Shrine… I must admit, I underestimated him and his knowledge about the Uchiha clan…

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(Sakura Scene)
(Kiba sniffs the air)
Kiba: I caught Sasuke’s scent! (Sakura looks shocked)
Lee: Yosh!
Sai: …
Kiba: But it seems that Danzou and that masked Akatsuki are near him. Should we still go after Sasuke?
Sakura: Yes. We won’t give up now.
Kiba: You’re the one calling the shots… follow me!
Sakura: (thinking) Sasuke, what are you doing?

(Mei Scene)
(Mei, Ao and Choujuurou arrive to a tree’s branch, near Sasuke’s location)
Ao: As I told you, Sasuke is with him, Mizukage-sama.
Mei: I see. What is that involving Sasuke?
Ao: It seems like a chakra entity, but I’m more worried about Danzou, he finally revealed his true colors. See that face on his shoulders?! It’s Uchiha Shisui’s face.
Mei: (shocked) Oh my…
Choujuurou: What happened to his guards?
Mei: (points at Madara, in the opposite side) I think Madara took care of them.
Ao: I still can’t believe he’s alive, but I trust your word…
Choujuurou: So, what should we do about Danzou?
Mei: I think we should wait until they separate. We don’t know what Madara is capable of, so let’s focus only in Danzou.

(Sasuke Scene)
Danzou: (thinking) I have only six Sharingan left and my jutsu has been figured out. This fight is all about endurance, so I must take the initiative.
Sasuke: (breathing heavily; thinking) This is going nowhere, I need to take him out before I run out of chakra...
(Susano’o shoots another arrow; Danzou performs a Tiger handseal combined with an Ox handseal)
Danzou: Doton: Earth Style Wall!
(an earthen wall rises in front of Danzou; the arrow is slowed by the wall; Sasuke jumps to the bridge, with Susano’o around him)

Karin: Sasuke, you didn’t hit him, beware! (the wall crumbles, revealing an intact Danzou in the middle of the dust)
Danzou: (thinking) That sensor type girl is such a nuisance. (he jumps to a pilar; Sasuke performs a Tiger handseal; still thinking)
Sasuke: Katon: Gouryuuka no Jutsu!* (the dragon flies towards Danzou)
Danzou: So na?ve… (performs the Tiger, Serpent and Tiger handseals; the cheeks on the face on his shoulder inflates) Suiton: Suijinheki! **
(a wall of water is expelled from that face’s mouth, halting the Katon; Sasuke performs the same Katon, now aimed to the sky)

Madara: (thinking) Are you that desperate already, Sasuke?!
Danzou: (thinking) I don’t what you’re up to, but I’ll make sure you won’t get away with it. (performs Tiger, Dragon, Serpent and Bird handseals; both his faces’ cheeks inflate) Ninpou: Yaanusu Taifuu! ***
(Danzou exhales wind and water, creating a typhoon above the bridge, dissolving the Katon; when the typhoon end, it starts to rain in the bridge)
Sasuke: Your guard is down. (Susano’o shoots Danzou, killing him)
Madara: (thinking) He already depleted half of his Izanagi’s charges. Not bad… (Danzou appears again)

note: this is a prediction -- NOT a spoiler

Danzou: How annoying…
Sasuke: (breathing heavily; thinking) Damn, I could’ve killed him twice if he didn’t nullify my chances of invoking Kirin. (his vision starts to blur) And the Mangekyo Sharingan is already having its toll…

Danzou: (thinking) My chakra reserves are low. The next move will decide this battle. (performs the Snake, Rat, Dragon, Dog and Tiger handseals) Mokuton: Jubaku Eisou! **** (tree stalks appear near Sasuke, surrounding his Susano’o; the stalks start to bind Susano’o, stopping it.; talking) Uchiha Sasuke, your pride is your downfall, you’re a waste of time for us all.
Karin: (thinking) Both of them have already reached their limits. Sasuke…
Sasuke: You underestimate me. (He stares menancingly at Danzou, but starts to cough blood; thinking) Blood? (he falls on his knees; Susano’o starts to recede)
Madara: (thinking) He reached his limit. No wonder, he fought two intensive battles in such a short period of time, maybe I should give him a little rest from his training. (He releases Fuu and Torune and vanishes)

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Danzou: Running away already? How appropriate for an Uchiha… (Madara appears next to Sasuke)
Madara: Don’t worry, it won’t be the last time we meet, you Senju-Uchiha abomination.
Danzou: Hmpf.
(Sakura, Kiba and Lee appear from the woods)
Sakura: Shannaro!!! (She tries to punch Madara, but passes right through him) What the…?
Kiba: I already told you, he phases out when we attack him!
Madara: Konoha nins, eh?
Sasuke: (thinking) Sakura?
Danzou: (thinking) What are they doing here? (Torune and Fuu join him; talking) Aid immediately our nin. (looks at the woods; thinking) Don’t think I don’t know you’re there, Sai.
Torune & Fuu: Yes, Danzou-sama. (they rush towards Madara)
Danzou (looks at the woods; thinking) Don’t think I don’t know you’re there, Sai.
Madara: It seems that I’m in a pickle… (captures Sasuke in his vortex)
Sakura: I won’t let you take Sasuke-kun! (punches Madara again, but he phases out; Lee tries a kick, but also fails) You!!! (he disappears, to appear next to Karin)

Karin: ?!
Madara: You know what to do. (captures Karin in his vortex; while Kiba and Akamaru rush towards him)
Kiba: Gatsuuga! (they strike Madara, but no avail)
Madara: So much to do, so little time. Farewell. (he vanishes in his vortex)
Sakura: ( drops on her knees) No… not again…
Lee: Sorry, Sakura-chan.
Sakura: (she has tears on her eyes) No need to apologize…
Danzou: Who gave you permission to be here?
Sakura: We… uh…
(Mei and her guards appear)
Ao: Danzou-dono, we’re here to bring you back to the Land of Iron to answer the accusations made against you.

*Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
**Water Release: Water Encampment Technique
***Ninja Art: Janus’ Typhoon. Janus is the Greek god of gates and fate, often depicted with two heads. Typhon is a creature of the Greek mythology, normally linked to storms.
**** Wood Release: Binding Nest

Naruto 480: Danzou's Truth

 

[Naruto_Lee]

well i said that i would like to see Oro and Sasuke fight but thats only in the long run if its possible. Having read a few predictions it seems that Kakashi may well fight against Sasuke. I would love to see that. Kakashi haven't seen Sasuke since he left the village, so it will be a very intersting confrontation. Plus the fact that Kakashi now has the MS we may even see him showing some new techiniques(for him like Amaterasu), but i know that if those two fights Sasuke is clearly the fovourite to win, but i have a feeling that knowing Sasuke and being a genius plus getting beaten badly by Itachi the last time Kakashi fought a Sharingan user he will definitely have a strategy to fight.
If that happens it will be awesomexd

if a battle arise between sasuke and kakashi,then i hope kakashi will win bcaz he is a strategic fighter and keeps the battle under his control..............only thing kakashi lacks from sasuke is the chakra reserve but even with that chakra limit kakashi can beat sasuke...............kakashi is always awesome...........even with pein he fought a awesome battle...........kakashi rocks...

 

[Naruto_Lee]

This is true but he didn't killed Itachi after all.. He just died at his hands..
Itachi actually won.. Sasuke was cornered in fear..
Sasuke has the same lineage as Itachi,that could explain why he awakened the same 3 techniques..

as i told earlier sasuke is just a piece of trash.............he didnt unlock any power of ms by himself ................even when itachi at his last moments came to pluck sasuke,i saw the pathetic face of sasuke,so frightened but i dont know the reason zetsu and others in the manga are telling that sasuke killed itachi hahaha...........sasuke is just a ********

 

[Naruto_Lee]

Good point, i still think he unlocked Ms by emotional stress of his brother dying at his hands and that Itachi left something else behind, something important....

Also i believe that kakashi could have unlocked Ms this way by not being able to save a comrade or one of his comrades betraying him and he had to kill them, or maybe he unlocked it through training, i dont think kakashi would of killed his best friend for power

nope kakashi could not have killed any of his best friends for power..............he is one of the kindest characters in this manga.................

 

[Pervyy]

nope kakashi could not have killed any of his best friends for power..............he is one of the kindest characters in this manga.................

I know

My favourite quote from kakashi is:

"In the ninja world, those who break the rules are scum, that's true, but those who abandon their friends are worse than scum."
"I won't allow my comrades to die. I'll protect you with my life. Trust me"

 

[Naruto_Lee]

Well i doubt you can catch all 6 paths of pain in genjutsu at once, and god realm pain could probably blast back susanoo, i think pain would win i they didnt know his secret

even knowing pein's secret itachi as well as sasuke could not have won pein they would not manage the heavy jutsu like chibaku tensai.............thats why pein was selected as the active leader for akatsuki under tobi's orders..........eventhough itachi was there pein was the leader.............thats why i say pein is greater than both

pein>itachi>sasuke
pein>danzo>itachi>sasuke

thats what i think........

 

[Naruto_Lee]

I know

My favourite quote from kakashi is:

"In the ninja world, those who break the rules are scum, that's true, but those who abandon their friends are worse than scum."
"I won't allow my comrades to die. I'll protect you with my life. Trust me"

then we should not doubt him...............may he should have unlocked it by different way ..............like by heavy stress or by training............

 

[Pervyy]

even knowing pein's secret itachi as well as sasuke could not have won pein they would not manage the heavy jutsu like chibaku tensai.............thats why pein was selected as the active leader for akatsuki under tobi's orders..........eventhough itachi was there pein was the leader.............thats why i say pein is greater than both

pein>itachi>sasuke
pein>danzo>itachi>sasuke

thats what i think........

Im not sure about danzo being better than itachi, i think itachi would win there

 

[Pervyy]

then we should not doubt him...............may he should have unlocked it by different way ..............like by heavy stress or by training............

Thats what ive been saying over the last 4 discussion threads

 

[Whiteknight]

as i told earlier sasuke is just a piece of trash.............he didnt unlock any power of ms by himself ................even when itachi at his last moments came to pluck sasuke,i saw the pathetic face of sasuke,so frightened but i dont know the reason zetsu and others in the manga are telling that sasuke killed itachi hahaha...........sasuke is just a ********

The MS powers were a complete gift to him, that's true. But, Sasuke isn't complete trash either. Some points:

1) Sasuke did train for a long time with Orochimaru. We know that he trained hard every day during that time.
2) Orochimaru was said on many occasions to know many Jutsus. Sasuke has sharingan which allows him to instantly learn any hand sign. We have to assume Sasuke learned many jutsus during this time (even though we haven't seen him use too many)
3) Sasuke did drastically improve his Chidori ability, and his ability to stream lightning chakra into his sword. His ability to stream chakra into his sword was shown as equal or even superior to the abilities of the Samurai in the land of Iron, and the Hachibi.
4) As part of his training we do know that Sasuke has become very fast and talented with his sword and taijutsu.

So the MS did come free without him having to earn it properly, but his other abilities came after hard training and are powerful in their own right.