Is Sasuke's vision that bad?

[TrollingSage]

Kisame captured him because 1) he's not an ordinary ninja 2) he had the right tools. Do you think any Tom **** and Harry can accomplish what Kisame did and without Samehada at that? The answer is a big fat no. Also, do you think Akatuski are ordinary ninjas? Deidara defeated Gaara on his own turf without using any high tier bombs. He didn't even switch to C2. Do you think any other ninja would have done that? No.

Heck, even Naruto was defeated had Nagato not given into the whole Jiraiya's novel logic. I get your point about animal cruelty, but these are no ordinary animals.

You're right they aren't. They're smart sentient beings, even smarter than some humans(Naruto). Getting rid of the tailed beasts might seem like a good idea, but it doesn't really get rid of the root of the problem ie.human nature.The reason wars were fought for tailed beasts is human quest for power. If tailed beasts were eradicated, they would simply find another source of power to fight over. What Sasuke is trying to do is a like a father that takes the toy away from his two children because they're fighting over it.Sure it might give him some relief, but it won't solve the real problem, which is that his children haven't been taught to share and can't get along with each other. If he simply takes away the toy they're fighting over, they'll soon find something else to fight over.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Eliminating the one thing that would help make warfare more deadly. Yeah, contradiction all right.

it's a contradiction since tailed beasts aren't the most effective means of warfare. Heck there liabilities unless their perfect jinchuuriki or under uchiha control.

What is Naruto exactly related to?

Naruto's lineage has nothing to do with his ideology.

There are only two opposing clans.

No there are two opposing ideas. Stop being close minded.

If you call one out, then you are glorifying the other one by default.

Based on what exactly?

The rest of this is preposterous. What did Madara and Izuna and Sasuke prove?

That putting clan over well-being and negotiations gets you nowhere and only breeds hate. Warring states prove this great wars prove this.

Care to elaborate on it? Madara and Izuna fought in wars, just like other clans did. Madara and Izuna didn't trust senju. They weren't wrong.

So its not wrong to fight for your clan, but it is wrong to fight for your country. . .

Sasuke avanged or wanted to avange his people. Nothing wrong with that.

Yet for some reason the 3 great wars aren't justified. According to you. Contradictions all around.

Funny, as you seem to forget THREE ninja wars these people fought without any Uchiha involved, and left orphans and destruction in their wake, completely destabilizing Rain's economy and stability. You don't see any evil in that. You don't see any evil in cross-border terrorim. You don't see any evil in using terrorist activities or funding them simply to keep ninja villages funds from going dry. You don't see any evil in random incursion, killing of people etc etc.

maybe they were avenging their ppl lol. That makes it ok right?

But you actually support it,

since when?

by stating that ninja systems should be maintained and future war-mongering should be propagated.

wanna quote where I said that? I'll wait. Not to mention the fact that unlike in the past 3 wars the 5 nations are working together. But no blame the sons for the sins of the father.

How cute. Clearly the Uchiha Clan were behind it all.

According to Harogomo they went to war since the birth of indra.
And you wonder why I didn't want to waste my time countering this crap. But since you won't let it drop. There ya go.

There are only two ideals now; Naruto and Sasuke's. This isn't bashing but a truer picture of Naruto and his rubbish ideals.

Finally were getting somewhere.
Naruto's idea: Unite the 5 nations (already united tbh) to put an end to the bad feelings and evil intentions between them (again already happened, no way they'd fight together if they didn't) while letting the now benevolent tailed beasts roam free.
Sasuke's idea: kill the kage, shoulder the hate and make all the decisions himself.

IMHO neither is good, who's gonna make the decisions when sasuke dies? Who's gonna maintain the tailed beasts freedom?

But I doubt questions like that even crossed such a simple minded person as you.

 

[shelke]

it's a contradiction since tailed beasts aren't the most effective means of warfare. Heck there liabilities unless their perfect jinchuuriki or under uchiha control.

Naruto's lineage has nothing to do with his ideology.

No there are two opposing ideas. Stop being close minded.

Based on what exactly?


That putting clan over well-being and negotiations gets you nowhere and only breeds hate. Warring states prove this great wars prove this.
So its not wrong to fight for your clan, but it is wrong to fight for your country. . .
Yet for some reason the 3 great wars aren't justified. According to you. Contradictions all around.

maybe they were avenging their ppl lol. That makes it ok right?

since when?

wanna quote where I said that? I'll wait. Not to mention the fact that unlike in the past 3 wars the 5 nations are working together. But no blame the sons for the sins of the father.

According to Harogomo they went to war since the birth of indra.
And you wonder why I didn't want to waste my time countering this crap. But since you won't let it drop. There ya go.


Finally were getting somewhere.
Naruto's idea: Unite the 5 nations (already united tbh) to put an end to the bad feelings and evil intentions between them (again already happened, no way they'd fight together if they didn't) while letting the now benevolent tailed beasts roam free.
Sasuke's idea: kill the kage, shoulder the hate and make all the decisions himself.

IMHO neither is good, who's gonna make the decisions when sasuke dies? Who's gonna maintain the tailed beasts freedom?

But I doubt questions like that even crossed such a simple minded person as you.

A far-fetched assumption on your part and not a good enough reason to begin with.

Do you even know how ideologies are born? For someone accusing someone else of simple mindedness you fit this thing like a foot in a smelly shoe. Ideologies are born from perspectives. Without a Clan or a group, there wouldn't be any ideology. Without ideologies, the defining factors for the group are gone. So what did you give me here? A whole lot of nothing.

You putting down one Clan automatically means that the opposition is correct, as the manga has only cleared two oppositions. Looks like you yourself are confused, which would explain the points on Madara and others - they don't make a crock of sense. The fact that none of these villages bent, goes to show that hatred has little room here. I suggest you actually read a bit on ideologies.

What are you ... straddling the whole thing? If a thing or a syetem is not eradicated, it's left to fester. Seriously? Talk about doubling back.

Indra fought over inheritance. When a father prefers someone and sidelines the other, that would galvanize the other into action. This isn't even remotely evil or erroneous. His father's inheritance was his right. Give a better example, will ya?

Once a new system is made, there are less chances for people to return to their old ways. Naruto's care-bear Jutsu bearing is not going to last long.

You're right they aren't. They're smart sentient beings, even smarter than some humans(Naruto). Getting rid of the tailed beasts might seem like a good idea, but it doesn't really get rid of the root of the problem ie.human nature.The reason wars were fought for tailed beasts is human quest for power. If tailed beasts were eradicated, they would simply find another source of power to fight over. What Sasuke is trying to do is a like a father that takes the toy away from his two children because they're fighting over it.Sure it might give him some relief, but it won't solve the real problem, which is that his children haven't been taught to share and can't get along with each other. If he simply takes away the toy they're fighting over, they'll soon find something else to fight over.

Precisely. One cannot change human nature. Which is my whole point. This is why they need to be eradicated.

 

[saw2097]

This chapter basically proved that Sasuke's vision is bad, totalitarian governments bring "peace,"but that is by killing everyone who gets in the way.

And the whole reason people want peace is so that killing will stop, its the killing in the war that is the problem, and a peace that is built on killing thousands of your own people is completely pointless, once the peace is only maintained by governments killing there own people on the scale totalitarian governments always end up doing then that peace has failed.

Every totalitarian government ends in violence and more death.

People will inevitably fight back against Sasuke's rule and he will butcher them, leading to more death.