Edo Hiruzen vs Hashirama

[Minato namikaze123]

Hashirama owns...

 

[Haizaki]

To each own interpretation, as it looks like you can see the boulder being cut, to where I am circling it:

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Then please tell me whats its priories as a weapon?

The Gunai didn't cut through. It went intangible because Obito was holding it. The Gunbai itself is naturally made out of wood. Notice how Gai's Soshuga's are made out of Ropes

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and the Gunbai couldn't cut through

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[Nattana]

Let me ask again. What is Hiruzen's counter to Bringer of Darkness - something he couldn't dispel in canon?

 

[LuckyMan]

Let me ask again. What is Hiruzen's counter to Bringer of Darkness - something he couldn't dispel in canon?

He senses him. Or he smells him out as he did in canon. Next.

 

[Nattana]

He senses him. Or he smells him out as he did in canon. Next.

Gl with smelling Mokuton rushing at his from all directions.

 

[LuckyMan]

Gl with smelling Mokuton rushing at his from all directions.

He sure did block all of Tobirama and Hashirama attacks from all directions when they used it on him. Your assuming he just stands and lets Hashirama attack him as well, which won't be the case.

 

[Icelerate]

Add the other three Hokages to make things more interesting. Right now Hashirama low diffs. Flower tree world puts him to sleep, wood dragons suppresses his chakra, Mokujin annihilates him, etc.

 

[Ababeel]

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that will make it a stomp in the Hokages favour though. *_*

 

[RicardoA]

Mocking Hiruzen i see :|

OT: Hashirama wins no matter the category. Be it, feats, hype, portrayal, looks... low-diff worst case.

 

[LuckyMan]

Add the other three Hokages to make things more interesting. Right now Hashirama low diffs. Flower tree world puts him to sleep, wood dragons suppresses his chakra, Mokujin annihilates him, etc.

Katon plus Futon combo means bye bye trees. Hashirama has no speed feats therefore Hiruzen blitzes him with Enma and beats him up.

 

[Ababeel]

Katon plus Futon combo means bye bye trees. Hashirama has no speed feats therefore Hiruzen blitzes him with Enma and beats him up.

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[Icelerate]

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that will make it a stomp in the Hokages favour though. *_*

Whatever floats your boat but what I can say is that Minato will be the one to die right off the bat before anyone else.

Katon plus Futon combo means bye bye trees. Hashirama has no speed feats therefore Hiruzen blitzes him with Enma and beats him up.

Actually he has plenty of speed feats but I know who you are, TheInvisibleMan. Katon + fuuton combo doesn't do anything to mokuton in Hashirama's scale which was contending with perfect susanoo.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The Gunai didn't cut through. It went intangible because Obito was holding it. The Gunbai itself is naturally made out of wood. Notice how Gai's Soshuga's are made out of Ropes

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and the Gunbai couldn't cut through

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Once again to eachs own interpretation. I litteraly can't prove you wrong here and vise versa. As for your reasoning/example. I dontthink Soshuga is made out of ropes. It looks like the same attachment Hidan used for his weapon

Let me ask again. What is Hiruzen's counter to Bringer of Darkness - something he couldn't dispel in canon?

Last time I check he left his partner temporary, to perform RDS. So nothing states that partner method isn't working here.

Add the other three Hokages to make things more interesting. Right now Hashirama low diffs. Flower tree world puts him to sleep, wood dragons suppresses his chakra, Mokujin annihilates him, etc.

No way is this low diff. Hiruzen alone, as an Edo Tensei, plus nerfed Hashirama isn't. The Hashirama wank is going to be put to rest.

Mokuton is not going to be able to suppress Hiruzen when Enma is here to support so he is smashing and caging through any binding assaults of Mokuton.

FTW isn't going to knock him out since he had got out of a larger hitbox technique with larger range.

Elements are ripping Mokuton period, Mokuton has not shown any evidence of its known durability. Using Hashirama vs Madara battle is fallacious argument that only power level attacks like Susanoo are capable of destroying Hashirama Mokuton constructs.

Reasoning of Hashirama victory is ok, but no argument people has shown that makes this battle a low diff.

 

[Demonic.]

Hashirama wrecks that clown with ease.

---If he can get Rinnegan/EMS/Mokuton Madara in the wood dragon he can get this old clown. And don't even say he had Naruto's help, Naruto didn't help until after Madara was already in wood dragon, then Hashirama dropped Gate of the Great God.

---Add Base Minato and Hashirama still shits.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hashirama wrecks that clown with ease.

---If he can get Rinnegan/EMS/Mokuton Madara in the wood dragon he can get this old clown. And don't even say he had Naruto's help, Naruto didn't help until after Madara was already in wood dragon, then Hashirama dropped Gate of the Great God.

---Add Base Minato and Hashirama still shits.

Except each has their own fighting style. Enma's combo CQC not as easy as Hashirama engaging Madara. If he gets bind Enma smashes it out.

 

[Nattana]

Except each has their own fighting style. Enma's combo CQC not as easy as Hashirama engaging Madara. If he gets bind Enma smashes it out.

Bringer of Darkness gg.

 

[NSUNSR]

How exactly does Hiruzen beat Wood Golem, and Wood Dragon? Yeah, there isn't a way.

 

[Demonic.]

Except each has their own fighting style. Enma's combo CQC not as easy as Hashirama engaging Madara. If he gets bind Enma smashes it out.

Except Enma won't be breaking Hirizen out of anything after Great Deity Gates drop Lol

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Bringer of Darkness gg.

I like how you ignored my previous post #23. Partner method gg.

How exactly does Hiruzen beat Wood Golem, and Wood Dragon? Yeah, there isn't a way.

These jutsu were built to suppress giant beast Hiruzen is too small to be able to get suppressed. They destroyed by elements or weapon infused element.

Except Enma won't be breaking Hirizen out of anything after Great Deity Gates drop Lol

Except for transformation which becomes much more denser then Madara's body

 

[Inert Brian]

People do know this is base Hashi right?

Wind + Fire gives him an elemental advantage over Hashirama. (He countered the Buddha, the 5 Kage couldn't do ****. They were all healed so it's hard to really take that away from them as well)

Hiruzen also pushed Kurama out of the village with one push by Enma. Let's not forget Enma was stated to be as hard as diamond. So I fail to see how Mokuton will really damage Enma (the best he can do is pollen world which puts him to sleep). Hashirama was forced to pull out SM and was running away from Madara and Kurama. Enma shits on Mokuton. Enma cage saved Hiruzen from deep forest emergence in part 1. Enma in rapid succession demolished branches from the origin of chakra. Thinking Hashi's wood is somehow stronger than the wood comprised of chakra's origin is far fetched, they should be equal at best.

TL;DR

Hiruzen took on Kurama, Base Hashi ran to buy time for sage mode because he knew he was weaker. Enma has cannonically countered Mokuton twice.

I think Base Hashi wins, but you guys are downplaying Hiruzen hard. Base Hashi takes this high difficulty if anything, which is due to pollen world and wood dragon. Low/neg is absurd, you guys either have selective reading on, or you've forgotten some parts of the story.