Susanoo is the Disease

[Mikeuhsomething36]

A plausible theory but in reality susano is the embodiment of a users soul, remember if senju's can externally portray their power due to them being yang uchihas being yin internally exert it which explains the high level jutsus they can perform along with susano which is a spirit poured outward due to susano not just being a chakra embodiment it is a spiritual embodiment notice how each susano looks like their caster you can look at kakashi's susano for example who had the same slash mark as kakashi did. Now for the reason madara felt no pain is not because of large chakra reserves but also there's a thing called adaptation that humans have, it allows us to get used to something and adapt to it. Think about it if any of you know anything about certain diseases is that when we're new to it we suffer pains, symptoms, etc from it but gradually we begin to build up an immunity if you will towards that disease basically madara has adapted and adjusted to the pain, susano is merely the caster's spirit poured outwards which may be why it hurts so much, but it's only the chakra of that spirit think of it as susano as a medium between the spirit and reality, as spiritual chakra.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Where in the Databook was this, because I don't remember reading it?

Here is an internet translation, I bolded the part about killing the user:

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NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI: Susanoo (Mysterious, All-Encompassing Assistance Ability*)
User: Uchiha Itachi
Offensive; Defensive; Close, Medium, Long ranges; Rank: none

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There are two doujutsu the use of which is allowed exclusively to those who have awakened to the clairvoyant eyes of Heaven, the Mangekyou Sharingan: Amaterasu, which speaks of Light and the material world, and Tsukuyomi, symbolizing the spiritual world and Darkness**. Only in them who hold both of those, dwells the power of the wild, rampaging god... Susanoo. The materialized chakra shapes itself after the wargod's commanding face and powerful physique, and the fierce spirit won't subside until the destruction of all the enemies in its line of sight...!!

There's a reason why Susanoo can boast perfect flawlessness in its offense and defense: the spiritual weapons it holds in both hands. The Sword of Totsuka* in its right hand, which will mow down any kind of enemy, and the Mirror of Yata*, upon which all attacks will bounce back. Substantial or spiritual, and then ninjutsu or physical attacks lose all kinds of significance before the god's efficacy.

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-In the pupils that grasp the principles behind Heaven and Earth, dwells the valorous sword-wielding, shield-bearing Aragami***!!

-Protecting its caster, it destroys the enemy!

-In its left and right hands are held the unparalleled, wondrous Sacred Treasures* of virtues miraculous.

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-Only those who have carried mastery of Mangekyou Sharingan - the doujutsu feared by those around it as the strongest - to its extremes will come onto the god's territory. A guardian deity to its caster, it eats away their life at the same time.

-The sake flowing out of the gourd assumes the shape of a sword, becoming the Totsuka! In addition, the souls absorbed by it are sealed there.

-The Sword of Totsuka
One swing of the Sword of Kusanagi* has the power to throw the people it stabs into an genjutsu world of intoxicating dreams, and seal them away for eternity. The sword itself carries a fuuinjutsu.

-The Mirror of Yata
The substance-less spiritual shield. Endowed will all Nature Alterations, it changes its own attributes in response to the attacks it receives, making the jutsu ineffective.

Here appears to be the Viz translation. A slightly different wording (top right corner), but the context is still there:

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[Tsuki]

I never thought of that O_O Thanks for sharing this

 

[The Necromancer]

Scan? I've read the databook multiple times and I have no memory of such a claim.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Scan? I've read the databook multiple times and I have no memory of such a claim.

Here you go:

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[FleeOnSight]

lWhile I agree with most points. I don't see how getting a new pair of eyes could heal this "disease" or at least stop it from killing the user.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

lWhile I agree with most points. I don't see how getting a new pair of eyes could heal this "disease" or at least stop it from killing the user.

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Seriously, Kishi just did it. No logic needed. Especially in a shonen manga.

 

[Itachi Edo]

Here is an internet translation, I bolded the part about killing the user:

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NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI: Susanoo (Mysterious, All-Encompassing Assistance Ability*)
User: Uchiha Itachi
Offensive; Defensive; Close, Medium, Long ranges; Rank: none

Main text

There are two doujutsu the use of which is allowed exclusively to those who have awakened to the clairvoyant eyes of Heaven, the Mangekyou Sharingan: Amaterasu, which speaks of Light and the material world, and Tsukuyomi, symbolizing the spiritual world and Darkness**. Only in them who hold both of those, dwells the power of the wild, rampaging god... Susanoo. The materialized chakra shapes itself after the wargod's commanding face and powerful physique, and the fierce spirit won't subside until the destruction of all the enemies in its line of sight...!!

There's a reason why Susanoo can boast perfect flawlessness in its offense and defense: the spiritual weapons it holds in both hands. The Sword of Totsuka* in its right hand, which will mow down any kind of enemy, and the Mirror of Yata*, upon which all attacks will bounce back. Substantial or spiritual, and then ninjutsu or physical attacks lose all kinds of significance before the god's efficacy.

Captions

-In the pupils that grasp the principles behind Heaven and Earth, dwells the valorous sword-wielding, shield-bearing Aragami***!!

-Protecting its caster, it destroys the enemy!

-In its left and right hands are held the unparalleled, wondrous Sacred Treasures* of virtues miraculous.

Picture comments

-Only those who have carried mastery of Mangekyou Sharingan - the doujutsu feared by those around it as the strongest - to its extremes will come onto the god's territory. A guardian deity to its caster, it eats away their life at the same time.

-The sake flowing out of the gourd assumes the shape of a sword, becoming the Totsuka! In addition, the souls absorbed by it are sealed there.

-The Sword of Totsuka
One swing of the Sword of Kusanagi* has the power to throw the people it stabs into an genjutsu world of intoxicating dreams, and seal them away for eternity. The sword itself carries a fuuinjutsu.

-The Mirror of Yata
The substance-less spiritual shield. Endowed will all Nature Alterations, it changes its own attributes in response to the attacks it receives, making the jutsu ineffective.

Here appears to be the Viz translation. A slightly different wording (top right corner), but the context is still there:

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Yeah I own the viz translation. I'll go back to look at it, props

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Nothing in that even slightly mentions killing the user.

Then I'm fairly certain that you didn't read it.

Translation 1: "A guardian deity to it's caster, it eats away their life at the same time."

Translation 2: "It is the caster's guardian deity and at the same time can consume the caster as well."

 

[The Necromancer]

Then I'm fairly certain that you didn't read it.

Translation 1: "A guardian deity to it's caster, it eats away their life at the same time."

Translation 2: "It is the caster's guardian deity and at the same time can consume the caster as well."

I thought you were referring to the other section. That's why I deleted my comment.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

I thought you were referring to the other section. That's why I deleted my comment.

Ahh, I see.

 

[Tera Path]

1. Where is the databook scan?

2. Where is a viz translation of Sasuke saying that his body felt like it was on fire while using Susano'o?

And no one knows Itachi's disease, we can only speculate and I'm sure it will never be clarified, therefore Itachi has Ninja-AIDS.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

1. Where is the databook scan?

2. Where is a viz translation of Sasuke saying that his body felt like it was on fire while using Susano'o?

And no one knows Itachi's disease, we can only speculate and I'm sure it will never be clarified, therefore Itachi has Ninja-AIDS.

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I don't have the Viz translation of the page, but here is one of the couple translations floating around the internet:

"All the cells in my body ache."

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[Filo]

In the databook Susanoo is stated to slowly kill the user, or more specifically it eats away at their life-force. This is stated to be the cost of Susanoo.

Sasuke also mentioned how every cell in his body felt like it was on fire while using Susanoo, establishing that it attacks the user's body... like a disease. He also noted how he hadn't perfected Susanoo yet and wondered what the strain was like for Itachi's body whom did.

Sasuke, like Itachi, also staggers and coughs up blood. This is a sign of internal damage, that being done by Susanoo.

People have also speculated that Itachi's disease was tuberculosis, which is a lung disease. For those who may not know, in myth Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu were born from Izanagi's eyes while Susanoo was born from his nose. So is it a coincidence that Susanoo may damage the lungs (i.e. body) while Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu damages the eyes?

Susanoo stemming from the body could also explain why Itachi and Madara were able to use it while blind, with the MS just being needed to unlock it.

In summary: Susanoo IS the disease.

the part i made bigger is really good! That is a great explanation for why it can be used while blind

 

[V h o]

So ems cures it?

Guess Kakashi didn't use his long enough...

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

So ems cures it?

Guess Kakashi didn't use his long enough...

Kakashi didn't have EMS.

 

[Holy God]

While this is possible, Itachi never used Susano'o, making this very illogical. At most, he's only used it once or twice since he had known he could use it.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

While this is possible, Itachi never used Susano'o, making this very illogical. At most, he's only used it once or twice since he had known he could use it.

Because we didn't see him use it prior means he didn't? Let's say that hypothetically you are correct,

1. He used it long enough to master it, evidently.
2. We can't determine how long he used it for either time, he may have spammed it like Sasuke did as far as we know.
3. Using Amaterasu or Tsukiyomi just a couple times is enough to affect your vision, so using Susanoo just a couple times could also have an equal effect on your health. Sasuke was falling over and coughing up blood just from Stage-1 Susanoo.

It should also be noted that the deteriorative effects of the MS are still in effect whether you use MS or not, using MS just accelerates it. This was learned from Itachi's and Kakashi's conversation, if I recall correctly.

 

[Perlmutter]

In the databook Susanoo is stated to slowly kill the user, or more specifically it eats away at their life-force. This is stated to be the cost of Susanoo.

Sasuke also mentioned how every cell in his body felt like it was on fire while using Susanoo, establishing that it attacks the user's body... like a disease. He also noted how he hadn't perfected Susanoo yet and wondered what the strain was like for Itachi's body whom did.

Sasuke, like Itachi, also staggers and coughs up blood. This is a sign of internal damage, that being done by Susanoo.

People have also speculated that Itachi's disease was tuberculosis, which is a lung disease. For those who may not know, in myth Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu were born from Izanagi's eyes while Susanoo was born from his nose. So is it a coincidence that Susanoo may damage the lungs (i.e. body) while Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu damages the eyes?

Susanoo stemming from the body could also explain why Itachi and Madara were able to use it while blind, with the MS just being needed to unlock it.

In summary: Susanoo IS the disease.

A parasite is more likely. Although a parasite that he relies on and kills him, instead of it relying on him and killing him. And the genes of your siblings make the parasite not kill you.

 

[spade3dg]

Excellent theory. But I have to disagree. Madara showed no Ill signs while using it.

Sasuke only started coughing up blood not just from susano'o, but from overuse of the MS against, Ay, Mei, Gaara, Danzo and Kakashi.