can kamui warping be evaded!! ?

[AlphaScythian]

It's the same. Teleporting himself to Kamui and teleporting other people/things take time. It isnt instant.

The only thing Obito has that is instant is his intangibility.

Instant is brief moment.

It was stated that FTG of a Clone is slower then of Original but for us it looks the same cuz only thing instant to FTG is vanishing effect but it has some delay to it, just like summoning techs that kamui already bested

 

[KCMNaruto]

even if that was possible, that should decrease thier speed to a far extent even someone like naruto couldn't overcome the gravity of kaguya’s gravity dimension,

so you admit this is possible,right ?

the gravity force pulling him down towards ground is completly different then just sucking Space time barrier which is dragging target towards it's center. Clearly the one with the best reaction time + insane speed should be able to get out of it.

 

[YellowFang]

I am talking about evading it using foot speed not instant teleportation
My point is that ,none can run out of kamui barrier while being attracted by great force to the centre of the barrier ,this great force will immobilize the target's movements
For example even current naruto can't get out of kamui barrier while being attracted to the barrier's centre ,just like he couldn't move while being attracted to the ground in kaguya's gravity dimension

Sorry if it seemed out-of-topic, but my post suggests that other than Instant Teleportations, there is no way to avoid being warped by Kamui...

 

[wael reda]

It's the same. Teleporting himself to Kamui and teleporting other people/things take time. It isnt instant.

The only thing Obito has that is instant is his intangibility.

No it isn't the same speed
Konan said that kamui's user warping himself is much slower than warping other objects ,so it is a fact
And that was proved when 1 ms obi to couldn't warp himself faster than gudoma while the same obi to warped sakura ( another object not himself)faster than gudomas

But yes even warping other objects isn't instant but can be so fast close to instant


People are going away from my thread's point
My point is that getting out from kamui barrier with just foot speed is impossible due to the great force that attracts the target to the centre of the object

 

[AlphaScythian]

so you admit this is possible,right ?

the gravity force pulling him down towards ground is completly different then just sucking Space time barrier which is dragging target towards it's center. Clearly the one with the best reaction time + insane speed should be able to get out of it.

No he admits that one can slow down fast ninjas/objects with kamui, however not for long cuz they next nanosecond they are owned

 

[wael reda]

Sorry if it seemed out-of-topic, but my post suggests that other than Instant Teleportations, there is no way to avoid being warped by Kamui...

I misunderstood you
Yes ,no one can get out of kamui barrier without instant teleportation ,but that is not mainly because kamui's speed but because the great force which attracts the target to the center of the barrier ,this force will immobilize the target

 

[KCMNaruto]

No he admits that one can slow down fast ninjas/objects with kamui, however not for long cuz they next nanosecond they are owned

Well I asked him but I am fine with your reply answer.

Basically it all comes to if target's reaction time is faster then Kamui user's reaction time.

If it is only then Target has chance to escape.

Else target get dragged inside, that what I got.

What if super fast reaction possesing victim cast some jutsu on Obito while being warped and withstading such short moment with his own speed. Couldn't it disrupt it, I mean even if it is nigh high impossible, then even 1% chance could make give hope.

 

[wael reda]

so you admit this is possible,right ?

the gravity force pulling him down towards ground is completly different then just sucking Space time barrier which is dragging target towards it's center. Clearly the one with the best reaction time + insane speed should be able to get out of it.

No I didn't admit that one can get out of the barrier without using instant teleportation

Whatever ,without instant teleportation ,none can get out of the kamui barrier due to the great force which absorbs the target to the centre of the barrier ,this great force will immobilize the target ,or slow him down so much in the worst cases but it will be still warped

I think Naruto not being able to move at Kaguya's gravity dimension is a good example

 

[AlphaScythian]

Well I asked him but I am fine with your reply answer.

Cant let you fool newbies

Basically it all comes to if target's reaction time is faster then Kamui user's reaction time.
If it is only then Target has chance to escape.
Else target get dragged inside, that what I got.

No it doesnt Kamui already in place as thread scenario suggests.

What if super fast reaction possesing victim cast some jutsu on Obito while being warped and withstading such short moment with his own speed. Couldn't it disrupt it, I mean even if it is nigh high impossible, then even 1% chance could make give hope.

Like what kind of jutsu? The only possible scenario to escape kamui's pull is when its not directly aimed at one, then i might agree, but even so, DB states no chance

 

[KCMNaruto]

Cant let you fool newbies
No it doesnt Kamui already in place as thread scenario suggests.


Like what kind of jutsu? The only possible scenario to escape kamui's pull is when its not directly aimed at one, then i might agree, but even so, DB states no chance

at least you would admit super reaction time possesing person using gravity force as Almighty push or maybe even schockwave aka tailed beast roar would disrupt Kamui's warping or force Obito to cancel Kamui on his own.

Of course it only makes few capable of such feat...

No I didn't admit that one can get out of the barrier without using instant teleportation

Whatever ,without instant teleportation ,none can get out of the kamui barrier due to the great force which absorbs the target to the centre of the barrier ,this great force will immobilize the target ,or slow him down so much in the worst cases but it will be still warped

I think Naruto not being able to move at Kaguya's gravity dimension is a good example

Well Kakashi was fast enough to warp Summoned Gedo Mazou... but it was summoned out of Obito's body so it would happen no instant as Obito was withstanding it.

Anyway I agree with Space time barrer great sucking force immobilizing or slowing down so much that it makes very hard to escape. Well let's say I agree but what if while withstading someone is enough skilled to cast fast and powerfull jutsu at Obito, could it force him to cancel it ?

 

[wael reda]

Another example ,when kakashi used kamui on diedra's explosion ,it stopped detonating and extending though it had enough time because that requires getting out of the kamui barrier which kakashi made and that is immposible

 

[wael reda]

at least you would admit super reaction time possesing person using gravity force as Almighty push or maybe even schockwave aka tailed beast roar would disrupt Kamui's warping or force Obito to cancel Kamui on his own.

Of course it only makes few capable of such feat...


Well Kakashi was fast enough to warp Summoned Gedo Mazou... but it was summoned out of Obito's body so it would happen no instant as Obito was withstanding it.

Anyway I agree with Space time barrer great sucking force immobilizing or slowing down so much that it makes very hard to escape. Well let's say I agree but what if while withstading someone is enough skilled to cast fast and powerfull jutsu at Obito, could it force him to cancel it ?

you are talking about if the one who is stuck in the barrier can force obi to to stop warping by attacking him with super fast attack
OK ,that requires ,instant reactions to react and use this attack before his neck gets warped (takes nearly no time),requires instant attack or super fast one ,but it depends on the mechanism of this attack ,for example if this attack is created on the target's hand or mouth ,then that won't work since the attack itself won't be able to get out of the barrier ,but if this one of thoses attacks that appears instantly on the target or super fast attack created out the barrier then maybe that works but honestly I think this condition doesnt meet anyone in NV

 

[KCMNaruto]

you are talking about if the one who is stuck in the barrier can force obi to to stop warping by attacking him with super fast attack
OK ,that requires ,instant reactions to react and use this attack before his neck gets warped (takes nearly no time),requires instant attack or super fast one ,but it depends on the mechanism of this attack ,for example if this attack is created on the target's hand or mouth ,then that won't work since the attack itself won't be able to get out of the barrier ,but if this one of thoses attacks that appears instantly on the target or super fast attack created out the barrier then maybe that works but honestly I think this condition doesnt meet anyone in NV

yeah this time i can agree with you

 

[AlphaScythian]

at least you would admit super reaction time possesing person using gravity force as Almighty push or maybe even schockwave aka tailed beast roar would disrupt Kamui's warping or force Obito to cancel Kamui on his own.

Of course it only makes few capable of such feat...

Kakashi's weak at that time kamui has warped deidara's explosion.

No ST would rip hachibi apart but kamui would.

And no user gonna blow himself with TBB to escape kamui lol

Well Kakashi was fast enough to warp Summoned Gedo Mazou... but it was summoned out of Obito's body so it would happen no instant as Obito was withstanding it.

Thats because summoning just like FTG has some delay time to take effect before instant vanishing as can be concluded from slower FTG of clones compared to originals.

Anyway I agree with Space time barrer great sucking force immobilizing or slowing down so much that it makes very hard to escape. Well let's say I agree but what if while withstading someone is enough skilled to cast fast and powerfull jutsu at Obito, could it force him to cancel it ?

There hardly is any jutsu that would beat Kamui in speed. Also it would be hard to even do something once you all twisted around with bended space.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Kakashi's weak at that time kamui has warped deidara's explosion.

No ST would rip hachibi apart but kamui would.

And no user gonna blow himself with TBB to escape kamui lol

Thats because summoning just like FTG has some delay time to take effect before instant vanishing as can be concluded from slower FTG of clones compared to originals.
There hardly is any jutsu that would beat Kamui in speed. Also it would be hard to even do something once you all twisted around with bended space.

When Kamui ripped Hachibi apart, I am not ignorant, just curious because I forgot.
lol even if it sounds ridiculous it would require just mini TBB to blow and tank it yourself while disrupting Kamui, It would work, yeah ?
so you admit Madara summoning Gedo Mazou out of Obito took some time so Kakashi has enough time to rip hand of Gedo Mazou.

Amaterasu ?, goudama ?, Tsukuyiomi, I mean they would be enough fast to reach Obito forcing to cancel Kamui before warping is complete. Of course first victim would need to know only attacking caster makes effect. Using it on space barrier would do nothing.

Summing, you admit this is possible but this is nigh impossible feat, and by canon feats it wouldn't work, yes ?

 

[wael reda]

When Kamui ripped Hachibi apart, I am not ignorant, just curious because I forgot.
lol even if it sounds ridiculous it would require just mini TBB to blow and tank it yourself while disrupting Kamui, It would work, yeah ?
so you admit Madara summoning Gedo Mazou out of Obito took some time so Kakashi has enough time to rip hand of Gedo Mazou.

Amaterasu ?, goudama ?, Tsukuyiomi, I mean they would be enough fast to reach Obito forcing to cancel Kamui before warping is complete. Of course first victim would need to know only attacking caster makes effect. Using it on space barrier would do nothing.

Summing, you admit this is possible but this is nigh impossible feat, and by canon feats it wouldn't work, yes ?

One of Hachibi's tails was cut off when kakashi warped him

Amatrasu needs starring at the target,bleeding before it appears on the target ,I guess this is clearly slower than kamui's warping this one's neck

gudomas is slower than 1 ms kamui warping proved when obito warped sakura in the dimension faster than madara's gudoma stick ,but gudoma is faster than 1 ms 's teleportation which is much slower than warping other objects ( konan said that kamui's user warping himself is much slower than warping other objects ,that explain why 1 ms obito couldn't warp himself faster than gudomas ,while the same obito could warp sakura faster than gudoma)

Tuskuymiu needs eye contact ,also the space inside the barrier gets distorted during the warping

Also all that requires first instant reactions

 

[KCMNaruto]

One of Hachibi's tails was cut off when kakashi warped him

Amatrasu needs starring at the target,bleeding before it appears on the target ,I guess this is clearly slower than kamui's warping this one's neck

gudomas is slower than 1 ms kamui warping proved when obito warped sakura in the dimension faster than madara's gudoma stick ,but gudoma is faster than 1 ms 's teleportation which is much slower than warping other objects ( konan said that kamui's user warping himself is much slower than warping other objects ,that explain why 1 ms obito couldn't warp himself faster than gudomas ,while the same obito could warp sakura faster than gudoma)

Tuskuymiu needs eye contact ,also the space inside the barrier gets distorted during the warping

Also all that requires first instant reactions

basically all comes to who has fastest reaction time, and only hope for victim is having it greater else victim is done for, right ?

 

[AlphaScythian]

When Kamui ripped Hachibi apart, I am not ignorant, just curious because I forgot.
lol even if it sounds ridiculous it would require just mini TBB to blow and tank it yourself while disrupting Kamui, It would work, yeah ?

Hachibi's tail was ripped of when kakashi used kamui on him. At the same time hachibi tanked his own TBB pretty comfortably. So not even TBB would disrupt that, only if too big to warp, but its suicide as it would have to be size of biju and above.
I dont even need to mention that TBB takes more time to go off then kamui warp speed U_U

so you admit Madara summoning Gedo Mazou out of Obito took some time so Kakashi has enough time to rip hand of Gedo Mazou.

Well he obviously did have enough time, its a fact i only explained why U_U You see i dont defy manga facts like you

Amaterasu ?, goudama ?, Tsukuyiomi, I mean they would be enough fast to reach Obito forcing to cancel Kamui before warping is complete. Of course first victim would need to know only attacking caster makes effect. Using it on space barrier would do nothing.

Ama too slow to stop Obito, Goudama wont even brake out from kamui.
Tsukuyomi? Too close range and just how do you intend to get any eye contact when all you see is blur of bent space?

Summing, you admit this is possible but this is nigh impossible feat, and by canon feats it wouldn't work, yes ?

I guess its possible in some nasty fanfic theory but no one in manga can pull it off if they arent S/T users.