Is Sasuke's vision that bad?

[TrollKing]

This is very true, as long as people have free will they will have conflicting opinions and there can never be true peace.

That's why peace in human perspective, is to restrict or even take away that free will. For example, prison and execution

 

[Rogerr]

Sasuke fans make me sad

 

[Honord Sage]

Sasuke is mentally unstable,showing Bi-polar personality. Evil one moment good the next a true Nut case with delusions of grander Who doesn't care who He hurts to get what He wants.

 

[TrollKing]

Sasuke is mentally unstable,showing Bi-polar personality. Evil one moment good the next a true Nut case with delusions of grander Who doesn't care who He hurts to get what He wants.

True human nature is not far off. Don't we all get emotional from time to time while we have quite a normal live compare to his?

 

[BLAZE]

Sasuke is mentally unstable,showing Bi-polar personality. Evil one moment good the next a true Nut case with delusions of grander Who doesn't care who He hurts to get what He wants.

Fanfiction Troll

True human nature is not far off. Don't we all get emotional from time to time while we have quite a normal live compare to his?

talking about his emotions
Re: Hinata in real life

In real life plenty to look at and plenty to grab Imagine Her in a string Bikini. Or tight body outfit.Plenty of curves.

its called thirst XD

 

[kimb]

Replace the word "jinchuuriki/tailed beast" with "uchiha" and then you'll realize how fail your thread is.

Every Uchiha after Sasuke will be nothing like The Uchiha's from Indra down to Madara, and Itachi because Hagoromo put a balance between the amount of power both the Senju and the Uchiha recieve. The hatred began because of Indra's jealously.

The Jinchuuriki can't be changed.

 

[kimb]

Sasuke is mentally unstable,showing Bi-polar personality. Evil one moment good the next a true Nut case with delusions of grander Who doesn't care who He hurts to get what He wants.

show me some manga phax.

 

[ᖇ α z m α η]

Enforcing your ideals will not end up well, no matter .​

 

[Ultimateone]

there are a few huge flaws with sasuke's ideals, to some just being flat out stupid. lets get the easy one out the way, you can't kill the bijuu. well to be fair, you can kill the bijuu, they just will revive in some unknown place. so seeing as how about half of sasuke's revolution henges on removing the tailed beast from the equation, then he has already failed big time. the most important part though, the bijuu are not really the problem. for the most part, the bijuu just want to live in peace as they are living sentient beings. forgetting the fact that 99 percent of the NV wouldn't be able to do anything against a bijuu even with numbers. there are only a few exceptional people that can even hope to capture and contain them. hashirama was the one that basically caught all of them and distributed them. sasuke is the last uchiha, it has only been uchiha thus the last indra transmigrant. unless future ashura transmigrants suddenly become evil, the particular problem the tailed beast even had is almost moot.

sasuke killing the kage is almost just as stupid. the current kage's hope to change things, thanks in part to naruto. unlike any time before they want to achieve true peace between the nations. unlike before where it was just a cease fire, so to speak, they want to cooperate. basically, just how naruto was able to befriend gaara, who then became kazekage, he has basically had that same effect on all the kage and thus will have a similar frienship like konoha and the sand has. killing the kage will do nothing but cause more conflict, which nobody needs. if they are able to achieve this peace they want, it will set a foundation for the future. so generations to come will have no ill will against other nations because they would have always been friends in their eye's.

reviving the uchiha would be the worst thing that he could do. sure, not all uchiha were bad, but as a whole, they are irrational. the fact that their whole clan is so heavily influenced by their emotions, as observed by everything that sasuke has ever done, they are dangerous. reviving that clan would give indra somebody else to reincarnate into, which isn't a good idea. there is no good reason to revive their clan. if any clan needs reviving it's the uzumaki. as their clan was unjustly eradicated just because people feared their jutsu, but i digress. there is no reason they should be revived. they had their chance and they failed.

his most f'ed up part of his plan, killing naruto. why would he kill the one person that cares about him like a brother. why would he kill the one person that is actually leading the world to peace. i can actually give you reasons why naruto's way is the right way, and how it is actually working if you want me to. the point being, sasuke's whole plan is incredibly flawed.

 

[kimb]

there are a few huge flaws with sasuke's ideals, to some just being flat out stupid. lets get the easy one out the way, you can't kill the bijuu. well to be fair, you can kill the bijuu, they just will revive in some unknown place. so seeing as how about half of sasuke's revolution henges on removing the tailed beast from the equation, then he has already failed big time. the most important part though, the bijuu are not really the problem. for the most part, the bijuu just want to live in peace as they are living sentient beings. forgetting the fact that 99 percent of the NV wouldn't be able to do anything against a bijuu even with numbers. there are only a few exceptional people that can even hope to capture and contain them. hashirama was the one that basically caught all of them and distributed them. sasuke is the last uchiha, it has only been uchiha thus the last indra transmigrant. unless future ashura transmigrants suddenly become evil, the particular problem the tailed beast even had is almost moot.

sasuke killing the kage is almost just as stupid. the current kage's hope to change things, thanks in part to naruto. unlike any time before they want to achieve true peace between the nations. unlike before where it was just a cease fire, so to speak, they want to cooperate. basically, just how naruto was able to befriend gaara, who then became kazekage, he has basically had that same effect on all the kage and thus will have a similar frienship like konoha and the sand has. killing the kage will do nothing but cause more conflict, which nobody needs. if they are able to achieve this peace they want, it will set a foundation for the future. so generations to come will have no ill will against other nations because they would have always been friends in their eye's.

reviving the uchiha would be the worst thing that he could do. sure, not all uchiha were bad, but as a whole, they are irrational. the fact that their whole clan is so heavily influenced by their emotions, as observed by everything that sasuke has ever done, they are dangerous. reviving that clan would give indra somebody else to reincarnate into, which isn't a good idea. there is no good reason to revive their clan. if any clan needs reviving it's the uzumaki. as their clan was unjustly eradicated just because people feared their jutsu, but i digress. there is no reason they should be revived. they had their chance and they failed.

his most f'ed up part of his plan, killing naruto. why would he kill the one person that cares about him like a brother. why would he kill the one person that is actually leading the world to peace. i can actually give you reasons why naruto's way is the right way, and how it is actually working if you want me to. the point being, sasuke's whole plan is incredibly flawed.

I agree with most of what you said. And its true, Sasuke's plan is flawed, but its not as flawed or as unrealistic as Naruto's by a long shot.

What I do disagree with is you saying that 99% of the Narutoverse wouldnt be able to capture any of the tailed beast. Kakuzu and Hidan, two of the weakest members of the akatsuki was able to capture the two tails without much effort. A midtier character like Deidara captured the three tails on his own. I believe either the third or fourth raikage caught the 8 tails with the help of some cloud shinobi. Its not impossible for a group of people to capture a tailed beast. Sasuke killing them is where the flaw is.

Sasuke plans on killing the kages, not because they're not willing to change to make peace, but to prevent the past from repeating itself. The first kages of Hashirama's time were also willing to put everything aside to make peace between the villages, but something clearly went wrong and the world had two great ninja wars because of it. Naruto will bring peace, I can guarantee it, but it will only be temporary. History does repeat itself and has been since the time of Indra and Ashura.

What you said about the whole reviving the Uchiha thing is why the Uchiha are the way they are today. That mentality is why Tobirama put the Uchiha in the back of the village, that mentality is why the massacre of Uchiha's was requested by Konoha elders and Danzo, because of the massacre Itachi became an Akatsuki member and Sasuke was revenge driven. Its that mentality that prevented Madara from becoming the second hokage. Its peoples fear of the Uchiha that make the Uchiha the way they are. They are biologically emotional driven, but they're all kinds of emotions; there's anger, hatred, and jealously, and then there's happiness, love, and joy.

As for killing Naruto..meh. I agree that is fucked up for Sasuke to want to kill Naruto, but you got to do what you got to do. Thats one of the biggest things that sets Naruto and Sasuke apart, Sasuke is able to set priorities and make sacrifices for a greater good.

Neither Naruto nor Sasuke's vision is perfect, they both have good and bad. I just think Sasuke's vision has more good.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Every Uchiha after Sasuke will be nothing like The Uchiha's from Indra down to Madara, and Itachi because Hagoromo put a balance between the amount of power both the Senju and the Uchiha recieve. The hatred began because of Indra's jealously.

The Jinchuuriki can't be changed.

bold is baseless. But what isn't baseless is the fact that killing the last uchiha ends indra's line therefore the everlasting struggle (tailed beasts or not) ends.

Lol, kurama and gyuki already changed the moment they became perfect jins. Either way sasuke is a hypocrite.

 

[uzumakinaruto389]

What is peace? When there's no war.....If peace is achieved by pointless killing.....is it peace? Or is it piece of shit?

 

[Honord Sage]

To the people that say Sasuke is not mentally ill, Yes He is He hears like Madara the call of Indra in His head and hearth. The corruption by Kaguya and Black Zetsu has stain Sasuke Mind,hearth and Soul. Uchiha's are mentally challenged.

 

[kimb]

bold is baseless. But what isn't baseless is the fact that killing the last uchiha ends indra's line therefore the everlasting struggle (tailed beasts or not) ends.

Lol, kurama and gyuki already changed the moment they became perfect jins. Either way sasuke is a hypocrite.

The explanation to why they won't be like Indra and Madara is right in front of your face, did you choose to ignore it?

And it doesn't matter if all the tail beasts were passive beings, people will still try go use them for personal gain. Naruto's not going to live forever, someone will be getting Kurama before/after he dies.

 

[Sakura x Ino]

yes he use eye to much lol he shood no beter then to try beet naruto wen he cant se

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The explanation to why they won't be like Indra and Madara is right in front of your face, did you choose to ignore it?

And it doesn't matter if all the tail beasts were passive beings, people will still try go use them for personal gain. Naruto's not going to live forever, someone will be getting Kurama before/after he dies.

You have no proof of such. That's why it's baseless. What makes it even more hilarious is the fact that Sasuke is following the same thing madara, etc etc back down to indra did. Despite receiving equal portions of rikudo chakra.


Lol switch tailed beast with uchiha, then realize your prejudice, and stupidity

 

[shelke]

You have no proof of such. That's why it's baseless. What makes it even more hilarious is the fact that Sasuke is following the same thing madara, etc etc back down to indra did. Despite receiving equal portions of rikudo chakra.


Lol switch tailed beast with uchiha, then realize your prejudice, and stupidity

So we need to give you proof that Naruto will one day buy the farm and that there will always be people who would try to use the beasts as weapons?

The irony is glorious here.

Do you think that the villagers or lower ranking Shinobi have any idea of what the Kage really do? Most of them remain oblivious to the darker side of their leaders. We know that Ay planned the kidnapping of Hinata and almost incited another war, but odds are, 98% of his village isn't aware of this.
As an American who regularly travels, I can fairly say that our country is easily one of the most successful ones on the planet. Hell, even people in Cambodia know who Barack Obama is and respect him.

The same must apply for the NV. Smaller villages may look up to larger villages such as Konoha and Suna.
If Sasuke executes the Gokage, without a doubt people will seek vengeance and that's where the cycle of hatred continues.

Considering the fact that they follow their orders and take part in their grand, lofty, and downright humane escapades ... I have no idea what your point is here. How would they not know their own military technocrats' political leanings, as Jounin and Chunin class missions are directly authorized by the Hokage or any kage for that matter? This is a self-serving point, not backed by the manga at all.

What? That's preposterous. The leader carried out random incursions through ninjas and I doubt he went to Konoha himself to poke out Hinata's eye-balls. Not to mention that we have Ao's example, who is a supposed upstanding citizen of Hidden Mist, despite the Byakugan he stole. You think 98% of the village, which is mostly populated by military based clans, have no clue how he procured it, or how Ae was carrying out cross-border terrorism without his Jounins being privy to this information? You must be joking.

Comparing Obama - a democratically elected leader - to a militia faction with its own dictatorial set-up, along with an implication that any Kage is somehow a world leader isn't helping your case. No, it doesn't apply to NV. Hidden Rain was crippled and economically destabilized by the three great wars. They were content as citizens with Pein leading their village and that their village was finally flourishing. Yet Konha meddled again, destroying their leadership that had finally stabilized the village. Let's not glorify Jiriaya or Konoha's incursions just because we feel like it. Do you think Hidden Rain would not applaud Sasuke for his actions? These villages don't make the world - just a measly little portion of it.

Also, you must be delusional, no offense, if you believe the entire world sees America in a nice, bright light. I have no clue where you have been travelling, but where I live, people want to eradicate America off the face of the planet for the misery it has caused them. Can't say I blame them.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

So we need to give you proof that Naruto will one day buy the farm and that there will always be people who would try to use the beasts as weapons?

The irony is glorious here.

Yeah you do. Same way you need proof that Sasuke and his kids (if any bimbo is foolish enough to get impregnated by that) don't turn out to be bat shit crazy like every other spoon fed uchiha in history. Save it.

 

[shelke]

Yeah you do. Same way you need proof that Sasuke and his kids (if any bimbo is foolish enough to get impregnated by that) don't turn out to be bat shit crazy like every other spoon fed uchiha in history. Save it.

I need proof, given that people will always be people and the manga showed that Hogomoro himself failed? This is too rich. No idea what other nonsense you are endeavouring to throw my way. It hardly makes sense.

 

[TrollingSage]

I am just going to copy-paste my own VM to save me the trouble: I have been saying this since ages - the kages need to be put in the graves, their systems abolished for the future to have a fighting chance. It's only now that the manga has head down this path. Hence, I fully support Sasuke's stance on this. Naruto cannot guarantee the future, no one can. If the system is over-hauled, with these relics of the past gone, then there can be a modicum of credibility to the notion of peace.



These dictators who didn't lose any opportunity to take part in mass slaughters, left human shambles, orphans, destruction in their wake through three great ninja wars, breached treaties, even used terrorism against their own people just so the countries wouldn't dry their funds are like the people you listed? You must be joking.

Also, they are not world leaders, nor are the equivalent to one. The Kage title is given to the military dictator of only 5 of the strongest villages. The rest of the world still exists beyond this limited compass. The countries leaders are the actual rulers of as this present shinobi alliance couldn't even be formed without their approval.

Give me a break ...

3/5 of those Kages have nothing to do with the current system and have even tried to make things better.
Tsunade formed a peace treaty with the sand village and even sent help with Gaara was captured. Mei and stopped the hunting of kkg in her village and Gaara hasn't really done anything bad. The only rotten apples amongst the current kage are Onoki and Ay , but even they have began to change. Besides what gives Sasuke the right to be the "judge" the kages. He has no right to be taking the higher moral ground here considering the crimes he's committed.