[Discussion] Zoro & Sanji Are Equals

[Vandenre1ch]

I think every logical OP fan is aware of the Zoro wank thats been happening for the past few years. Comments such as "Zoro=Luffy" and "Zoro med-diffs Sanji" are everywhere and it really makes me faceplam as Zoro and Sanji have been portrayed as being almost equal since the early days of OP. I mean seriously, Zoro and Sanji are obviously on par with each other and the evidence has been spoon fed. I'll be showing you all most of the evidence that screams Zoro=Sanji/Zoro barely>Sanji.


The Opponents

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Arlong Park

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Alabasta

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Enies Lobby

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Thriller Bark

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The opponents Zoro & Sanji fight are relatively close in strength while Luffy's opponent is in a league of his own. You think Mr. 1 can push Crocodile high-diff? You think Kaku can push Lucci high-diff? Do you also deny Mr.1 and Mr.2 being close in strength? Kaku and Jabra?

Mr.1 vs. Mr. 2

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Kaku and Jyabura

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And about Kaku and Jabra, the Douriki only measures a person's physical strength in their human forms. Kaku had 2200 and Jabra had 2180 which is hardly a difference. Kaku is a girafee, weilds swords has better brute strength, longer reach, more verstaile and has enhanced rangyaku. Jabra is a wolf, faster, has sharp claws and is tougher(he can use Tekkai at all times).

When Zoro beat Kaku with Asura, Kaku wasn't using Tekkai.

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When Sanji used 2 Diable Jambe on Jabra, he was using Tekkai.

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Zoro & Sanji are basically equal.

Zoro & Sanji's Role

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Zoro and Sanji are the left and right hand men of Monkey D. Luffy and are pretty much rivals. They are the Monster Trio.

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This scan also showcases their roles and rivalry.

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Why people say Zoro beats Sanji mid-diff and is closer to Luffy.
Reason 1) He fought on even ground with Luffy
Reason 2) Zoro's performance on Punk Hazard was way better than Sanji's
Reason 3) Zoro was trained by Mihawk and Mihawk>Rayleigh and >>>>>>Ivankov

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Debunking Reason 1

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He fought on even ground with Luffy

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Chpt. 112 "Luffy vs. Zoro"

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I really ain't gonna say much about this. I'll be generous and say Zoro fought on even ground with Base Luffy in a rather comedic fight. Gear 2nd/3rd Luffy=gg Zoro

Debunking Reason 2

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Zoro's performance on Punk Hazard was way better than Sanji's

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Zoro made short work of the WEAKEST enemy on PH while Sanji struggles against the STRONGEST. Of course Zoro would have the better performance. There is a HUGE difference in strength between Vergo and Monet. Monet's power is nothing commendable.

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Monet had to try against a Marine Captain and not only that, a single attack from said Marine Captain was able to take her out.

Vergo is someone who took out Smoker and gave Law a hard time.

Debunking Reason 3

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Zoro was trained by Mihawk and Mihawk>Rayleigh and >>>>>>Ivankov

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By that logic, Coby should be stronger or equal to Luffy n' Zoro because his trainer is stronger than Mihawk, Rayleigh and Ivankov.

Mihawk, Rayleigh and Ivankov simply provided Luffy, Zoro and Sanji with training methods and sparring. I don't think they can transfer their power to their respective trainees. Besides, if theres still anyone who wants to cling to the "power of the trainer" stuff then I'd have to inform you that Emperio Ivankov is seriously being underestimated. He's alot stronger than people think.

Emperio Ivankov

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Most people say Ivankov isn't that strong because he lost to Magellan.

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Well duh. Ivankov is a close range fighter and Magellan is the worst match up for a close range fighter.


At Marineford, Ivankov OWNED PX-O Kuma. It took all the SHs to barely defeat one Pacifista and Ivankov outclassed the strongest Pacisfista of them all without getting hurt.

Objection! Thriller Bark Zoro was able to cut Kuma. Uhhh no he didn't. The metal alloy Kuma was made off didn't have a scratch. All Zoro cut was the clothing and fake skin.

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Oh and lets not forget that Ivankov was able to single-handedly hold off Akainu. The only other person to hold off Akainu alone(minus Whitebeard) was Marco.

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And lets not forget that Ivankov casually owned Sanji. Ivankov is one of the veteran fighters of Monkey D. Dragon. Keep that in mind.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Oh god no
Zoro vs Sanji would be an unholy cannibalistic rape stomp

Zoro's wanted poster would say Pirate Hunter/Rapist

Zoro would rape Sanji so hard Luffy would be more traumatized than when Ace died! He would be shocked to see his right hand man raping and slaughtering his chef

#SaveSanji #SayNoToRape

 

[Joseph Gomes]

*Facepalm*

Zoro > Sanji

They're nowhere near equal. Not by feats, not by hype, not be reputation

 

[Zorø]

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OT: @OP why are you denying manga facts they are clearly not equals man Zoro is on another level from Sanji click spoiler below for mangafacts.

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Zoro made robin wet

 

[kmrasengan]

They're almost equals, Zoro is just a bit stronger though.

 

[TakeoSusumu]

You bring up a lot of good points. But I want you to keep in mind that before the two year gap zoro was mainly on par with sanji while he was never being at 100%. The amazing thing about zoro is that almost every time he battled before the two year gap he had some sort of injury or a situation that hindered him from giving his all. I believe after the two year gap sanji has been doing his thing. the creator of OP is definitely making him shine more. But i also want you to know we have not seen zoro's true power yet after the two year gap.

[video=vimeo;97307651]http://vimeo.com/97307651[/video]

 

[Zorø]

They're almost equals, Zoro is just a bit stronger though.

I actually think Zoro is stronger by a fairly good amount U_U. Sanji has done nothing to suggest hes even mildly close to Zoro in strength.

 

[David1996]

Zoro will always be one step ahead of Sanji.

 

[kmrasengan]

I actually think Zoro is stronger by a fairly good amount U_U. Sanji has done nothing to suggest hes even mildly close to Zoro in strength.

I don't think so, Sanji has been fighitng stronger opponents than Zoro, that's why he seems weaker when comparing, truth is the only character Zoro fought that was stronger than anyone Sanji fought was Fujitora, and let's be honest, Zoro got rekt, so yeah Zoro isn't that far away from Sanji in strength.

 

[Zorø]

I don't think so, Sanji has been fighitng stronger opponents than Zoro, that's why he seems weaker when comparing, truth is the only character Zoro fought that was stronger than anyone Sanji fought was Fujitora, and let's be honest, Zoro got rekt, so yeah Zoro isn't that far away from Sanji in strength.

Sanji has fought one person stronger person than Zoro since the timeskip and thats Doflamingo Sanji was also helpless in that fight he could barely fight Doffy Zoro wouldve done better IMO but still woulda lost no doubt. And lastly correction Zoro would of got "rekt" had he faced Fujitora any longer he didnt get "rekt" because he handled himself pretty well he overcame fuji's gravity and sent Fuji flying backwards but Sanji on the other hand was about to die from Flamingo's overheat string had Law not intervened U_U.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

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OT: @OP why are you denying manga facts they are clearly not equals man Zoro is on another level from Sanji click spoiler below for mangafacts.

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Zoro made robin wet

Give Sanji Zoro's swordmanship skills and have him swing them with his feet. Sanji's shockwave will be just as big as Zoro's.

They're almost equals, Zoro is just a bit stronger though.

Exactly. Pretty much the point I'm throwing out to all these Zoro>>Sanji and Zoro beats Sanji med-diff claims.

 

[Zorø]

Give Sanji Zoro's swordmanship skills and have him swing them with his feet. Sanji's shockwave will be just as big as Zoro's.



Exactly. Pretty much the point I'm throwing out to all these Zoro>>Sanji and Zoro beats Sanji med-diff claims.

No they would not its a fact that Zoro is stronger than Sanji just accept it no use trying to deny mangafacts.

 

[Olorin]

Luffy> Zoro> Sanji

But the entire part 1 of OP did point yo Zoro being closer to Sanji than Luffy so one could also say Luffy>> Zoro>=Sanji

No they would not its a fact that Zoro is stronger than Sanji just accept it no use trying to deny mangafacts.

What manga facts? Zoro and Sanji have been in a total of 0 legit fights since the TS

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

I don't think so, Sanji has been fighitng stronger opponents than Zoro, that's why he seems weaker when comparing, truth is the only character Zoro fought that was stronger than anyone Sanji fought was Fujitora, and let's be honest, Zoro got rekt, so yeah Zoro isn't that far away from Sanji in strength.

So Jabra>Kaku?
Sorry bro but Sanji always fights the 3rd strongest with the exception of DD and Zoro gets the 2nd strongest

Luffy 100%
Zoro 90%
Sanji 65-70%

Sanji is a joke after the TS

 

[Forbidden Tale]

No, Sovereign Yhwach

Luffy wins against Zoro with high diff.
Zoro wins against Sanji with high diff.
Luffy wins against Sanji with mid to high diff.

I would actually say that at the beginning all three of them were portrayed as around equal, but the difference was made later in the Grand Line.

Also, if I remember correctly, Arlong did made a statament that Zoro need to die, because of his performance (even with such a wound), on the other hand if I remember correctly he didn't say anything about Sanji.

Zoro is also de facto first mate of SH pirates, which make him second strongest, come on we all know that second mates are second strongest.

 

[Zorø]

Why is this thread rated 4 stars? Lol it doesnt even deserve it.

 

[Olorin]

So Jabra>Kaku?
Sorry bro but Sanji always fights the 3rd strongest with the exception of DD and Zoro gets the 2nd strongest

Luffy 100%
Zoro 90%
Sanji 65-70%

Sanji is a joke after the TS

What a great day it will be when you're proven wrong

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

What a great day it will be when you're proven wrong

Your dreams dont count as days

 

[Olorin]

Your dreams dont count as days

I never said they do XD what kinda response is that

And if you want manga fact how about Jyabura and Kaku. There was, what, 20 Doriki difference or something? Ie almost equal

 

[Zorø]

Luffy> Zoro> Sanji

But the entire part 1 of OP did point yo Zoro being closer to Sanji than Luffy so one could also say Luffy>> Zoro>=Sanji


What manga facts? Zoro and Sanji have been in a total of 0 legit fights since the TS

If you think Zoro is only a little bit stronger than Sanji youre a retard no offense U_U Zoro clearly has more feats and has trained way harder than Sanji you haters just dont like to give credit where credit is due.