Well i am 100% sure Sanji will get his time to shine and show off his new attacks...but i am also 200% sure Zoro would show something even better
eg : Water 7 arc when Sanji used Diable Jumble and everyone went crazy and then Zoro used Ashura and everybody forgot about Sanji and his Diable Jumble
I think youre high Lol this is the shittiest thread ive seen all day Ive seen way better threads with titles like Zoro>Sanji but hey the haters in this section never wanna see my man Zoro shine the hate is always strong when you on top. I bet if there was a thread like sanji>>Zoro it would get 5 stars instantly but hey thats none of my business.
I think youre high Lol this is the shittiest thread ive seen all day Ive seen way better threads with titles like Zoro>Sanji but hey the haters in this section never wanna see my man Zoro shine the hate is always strong when you on top. I bet if there was a thread like sanji>>Zoro it would get 5 stars instantly but hey thats none of my business.
I've never seen anyone say current Sanji > current Zoro. Most sanji fans, either people say they're equals, Zoro is stronger (slightly). Zoro shines all the time in the manga because of plot. If Zoro was placed in the same situations as Sanji has been (post-TS), he'd get spanked. <3
I don't have anything against Zoro really, I actually like his character but ofc I like Sanji more. It's just the Zoro wankers that are annoying.
What kmrasengan said and what u said isn't 'exactly' the same thing u said they on par he said Zoro was somewhat/slightly stronger, I'm not that good at English but that's different to me.
Then when u said give Sanji Zoro's swordsmanship was that a mistake or something coz seeing as this is comparing their strenght wldnt giving the other person skills from the other just create a fallacy.
As for the Tekkai argument in the defeat of Kaku & Jyabura I seem to remember Zoro taunting Kaku to use tekkai so he(Zoro) cld shishi sonson him up or was that just in the anime or maybe I just dreamt that part up.
I'm not saying there is huge gap btwn then especially so if u look at it from their opponents but they have in most cases faced opponents that match their own fighting styles but in a Zoro vs n Sanji battle due to their fighting style difference one wld have some firm of advantage here, maybe its coz I'm more a Zoro fan(not that I hate Sanji) and I have a sword fetish but i think that advantage falls on Zoro's side(Sanji still has his own advantages I'll note like his speed for one).
As charecters Zoro is mostly there for the brawn while Sanji is brawn and some brains and as just charecters they r equal but the brawn respective to each is not equal to each other'.
I know it feels as though I saying Zoro is a total tool but indeed to some degree he is but he has his brain moments so maybe Zoro-95%brawn5brain+other attributes, Sanji90%brawn8%brain2%other attributes(numerical values here not some articulate calculation just used to help present my thoughts).
Zoro just has more brawn in my eyes that's just it but Sanji is no slouch in that area too.
What kmrasengan said and what u said isn't 'exactly' the same thing u said they on par he said Zoro was somewhat/slightly stronger, I'm not that good at English but that's different to me.
Then when u said give Sanji Zoro's swordsmanship was that a mistake or something coz seeing as this is comparing their strenght wldnt giving the other person skills from the other just create a fallacy.
As for the Tekkai argument in the defeat of Kaku & Jyabura I seem to remember Zoro taunting Kaku to use tekkai so he(Zoro) cld shishi sonson him up or was that just in the anime or maybe I just dreamt that part up.
I'm not saying there is huge gap btwn then especially so if u look at it from their opponents but they have in most cases faced opponents that match their own fighting styles but in a Zoro vs n Sanji battle due to their fighting style difference one wld have some firm of advantage here, maybe its coz I'm more a Zoro fan(not that I hate Sanji) and I have a sword fetish but i think that advantage falls on Zoro's side(Sanji still has his own advantages I'll note like his speed for one).
As charecters Zoro is mostly there for the brawn while Sanji is brawn and some brains and as just charecters they r equal but the brawn respective to each is not equal to each other'.
I know it feels as though I saying Zoro is a total tool but indeed to some degree he is but he has his brain moments so maybe Zoro-95%brawn5brain+other attributes, Sanji90%brawn8%brain2%other attributes(numerical values here not some articulate calculation just used to help present my thoughts).
Zoro just has more brawn in my eyes that's just it but Sanji is no slouch in that area too.
If you think Zoro is only a little bit stronger than Sanji youre a retard no offense U_U Zoro clearly has more feats and has trained way harder than Sanji you haters just dont like to give credit where credit is due.
Well Zoro shares the spot for my 2nd fav manga character so I guess I really am a hater or, as you so courteously said, a retard
There are two opinions on this one, the fans who think they are about equal (as shown in the manga) and fangirls who say Zoro is far above Sanji
I personally think the ones who don't want to bend over to Zoro are right, or as someone like you would undoubtedly say, not retarded unlike, no offense
This is mainly reason why Zoro's character has been ruined for me a bit. His fans are ****ing stupid, Pre TS Sanji and Zoro were basically equal a fight between them would go either way. Post TS, for now Zoro is stronger by a bit. If Zoro was so much stronger Oda would stop portraying them as rivals, and once again Sanji been fighting tough opponents while Zoro until recently hadn't fought anyone note worthy. Zoro still hasn't had a fight with anyone as strong as Vergo yet. So Zoro is strong but not by alot, you guys must ignore the **** out of Oda's portrayal of the two..
Oh god no
Zoro vs Sanji would be an unholy cannibalistic rape stomp
Zoro's wanted poster would say Pirate Hunter/Rapist
Zoro would rape Sanji so hard Luffy would be more traumatized than when Ace died! He would be shocked to see his right hand man raping and slaughtering his chef
There have been many instances where Luffy and Zoro's will power have been tested and in some cases had to improve and transcend themselves to defeat the opponent.
1- Zoro vs Mihawk:
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2- Zoro vs Hatchan:
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3- Zoro vs Arlong:
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4- Zoro vs M1:
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5- Zoro vs Kuma:
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1- Luffy and Zoro vs Bellamy's gang:
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1- Luffy vs Crocodile:
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2- Luffy vs Rob Lucci:
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3- Luffy vs Moria:
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Sanji on the otherside has never been put in such situations(as far as i remember) and in the very beginning wasn't even understanding how someone could give up his life for a dream:
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However, while travelling with the strawhats time after time he managed to understand their resolve to the point he even wanted to give up his life in order for Zoro to survive and achieve his dream("If you die, what'll happen?" "What about your ambition?"):
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Infront of a stronger enemy or challenge, Luffy and Zoro always find a way through to defeat him(not means it always happen, but it shows their strong resolves). Again emphasized by Sanji in Punk Hazard("a guy who would pull through one way or another"):
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In short, after some time of mind struggle, Sanji now acknowledge Luffy and Zoro resolves and wants to support them in order for them to accomplish their great dream(the same way Zoro wants to support Luffy to accomplish his greater dream)
Power-level
= means equality
>= means extreme difficulty
> means high difficulty
>> means mid difficulty
>>> means low difficulty
1- Beginning of the manga until enies lobby: Luffy >= Zoro > Sanji
2- Enies Lobby until Thriller Bark: Luffy >(>) Zoro >= Sanji
3- Thriller Bark until war: Luffy >= Zoro > Sanji
4- After war arc until the end of the first part: Luffy > Zoro > Sanji
5- After the timeskip: Luffy >= Zoro >(>) Sanji
I'll explain:
1- At the beginning of the manga, Zoro was more of an ally than an actual crewmate, who blatantly told to Luffy that if he interfered somehow in his goal, he will kill him. Luffy and Zoro had resolves to reach their goals that Sanji wasn't understanding. Luffy and Zoro also were the only one capable to defeat Arlong. Sanji clearly admitted Arlong was above his level when Arlong was fearing a close to death Zoro and Luffy actually defeated him. After that we've an equal match between Zoro and Luffy at Whiskey Peak, equal comparison between Wiper, Luffy, Zoro in skypiea, as well as many people questioning why Zoro isn't the captain and saying he could deserve Luffy's bounty fully. Generally during those points in time, Luffy and Zoro were portrayed to be particularly close in terms of power with Sanji by some margin falling behind
2- Luffy received 2 power-ups at that moment and blatantly said he needs to be stronger than anyone and that if he left Lucci go, he will kill his nakamas. Clearly, Luffy was portrayed to have created a gap with the rest of the crew. Lucci had close to double the doriki of Zoro and Sanji respective opponents, however it should be noted that Luffy may not have known Zoro or Sanji's potential power-ups they achieved during that arc and they struggled far less to defeat their respective opponents. Zoro received one power-up, but he seemed not to control it perfectly and Sanji also had limits with his own. The closeness in the doriki of their opponents also suggested the closeness of their level at that point in time(Zoro's power-up was more powerful but at the same time apparently unstable)
3- Zoro received a power-up in the name of Shusui(his new sword), a superior blade having greater durability and increasing his attack power to the point of frightening Oz. He was portrayed as being capable to operate on his level at least before Moriah actually took full control on him. But like he said himself, while gaining in attack power, he wasn't controlling the blade completely. Something worth note mentioning however is that Sanji received no visible power-up during that arc, but Zoro was performing as well if not better than him(when using his diable jambe techniques) while not actually using Asura, so i think it's fair to say the power-up(Shusui) allowed Zoro to recreate a small gap with Sanji at that point. Not to mention when later on, he also showed an incomparable endurance feat compared to the entire crew later on, which implies that at equal terms, in longer battles, he would be the last one standing.
Pay also attention to the fact that Zoro showed the capacity to react to Kuma in thriller bark and even inflect damage on him while being in a close to dead body already, same Kuma who was outpacing gear second Luffy. So i think the gap in strength between Zoro and Luffy by the end of Thriller Bark was negligeable
4- I believe that after going through all these successive fights in the war, Luffy grew even more significantly and thus at first increased the gap with the rest even more. However i also think Zoro on the other side likely reduced that same gap by defeating all the baboons who were on his level or stronger at the start and thus evolved quite significantly especially since he likely grew more accustomed to shusui but with a margin unknown to us compared to Luffy's. Sanji on the other side didn't have a real challenge, the gap may have increased(at worse)
5- During the timeskip, Luffy and Zoro are the ones who trained with top tiers and Zoro especially trained with one who is suitable to his fighting style(swordsman), so had more opportunities to improve than someone like Luffy who was trained by a swordsman when he is a brawler, not to mention that apparently he trained less with him, so it's actually not impossible that after the timeskip, Zoro came back closer to his captain than ever. Sanji on the other side apparently trained more in running, increasing his speed and had to defeat the 99 okamas to receive some "secrete cuisine", so at the very most, in the case we consider Sanji as a greater genius, he should have conserved the gap that existed pre-timeskip with the rest of the monster trio. At worse, it increased. And we see at the moment a difference in portrayal between them that tend to imply everything. In Oda's portrayal of the monster trio, he tries his best not to show the full extent of Luffy and Zoro's training yet, something i believe is really overlooked by readers. You seem to scale their level somewhere only for them to surprise you later. Sanji showed difficulties against Vergo and thought he would lose in a longer battle and now Oda is portraying Zoro as on another level as someone possessing a similar rank. Regardless of who you think is stronger between Vergo and Pica, the portrayal is clearly different and significant
PS: Difference in status in the monster trio
1- Luffy is a supernova and the captain of the crew. He has greater dream than the rest of the crew(including Zoro demonstrated in thriller bark)
2- Zoro is a supernova and world-wide considered as the first mate, sometimes even mistaken as the captain with even a fellow supernova(Urouge) wondering how he can be under someone. He has the second greatest dream in the crew, and Sanji was willing to take his place in thriller bark exactly because he put Zoro's dream above his own
3- Sanji is the third strongest fighter in the crew and a cook
The greater dream importance had a great significance in my opinion. It was again to indicate that while Luffy will become a greater man than Zoro tomorrow, Zoro will become a greater man than Sanji tomorrow and thus will improve more than him. The difference of supernova status supernova shouldn't be taken lightly in my opinion as well.
The supernova status(especially from the worse generation) is also significant considering they are for the majority rivals to Luffy and described as problem children by Brownbeard:
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, creating chaos everywhere in the near and destinated to break gears according Law, and it goes along the lines of the difference in dreams between Luffy, Zoro and Sanji. I don't think Oda made them supernovas and left Sanji out for nothing. They are destinated to improve more in my opinion and you can even realise at this moment how the importance of supernovas grew significantly since the timeskip and those from the worse generation shining more, creating alliance to take down the strongest pirates(yonkous), so will get a lot of development. Pay also a note how fellow supernovas captain were impressed by only seeing a glimpse of Zoro's aura:
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Oda also started to develop more and more Zoro's status as the first mate(or vice-captain) by calling him as such by a fellow supernova(Urouge) before the skip and confirming it again by another supernova and fanboy of the crew(Bartolomeo), all that to once again indicate(confirm) that difference
When Luffy lost to Caesar, the first one Usopp tried to give information about is Zoro and while he was taking it lightly, Zoro didn't and directly wanted to responsibilize his captain. This is the role of the first mate whether he gets that fancy title or not. Whitebeard had no official first mate himself, but it was obvious Marco was the one
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Zoro is also always the first to be called upon(either by strawhats or Oda's manga) when Luffy isn't near:
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Besides, throughout the manga, Oda created a lot of parallels between Luffy/Zoro and their pirate/marine counterparts
- Luffy/Coby
- Zoro/Helmeppo
- Luffy/Smoker
- Zoro/Tashigi(Kuina)
- Luffy/Shanks
- Zoro/Mihawk
- Luffy/Roger
- Zoro/Rayleigh
- Luffy/Law/Kid
- Zoro/Killer
Funny enough, Mihawk and Shanks who are portrayed as rivals are benchmarks that Zoro and Luffy respectively wants to surpass. Rayleigh as well(dark king, Roger's first mate) was put in the same breath as Whitebeard(Roger's rival). Because of this, i don't think there will be a significant gap in strength between them.
However, Sanji has no parallel to date(as far as i remember unless we count Duval)
This is mainly reason why Zoro's character has been ruined for me a bit. His fans are ****ing stupid, Pre TS Sanji and Zoro were basically equal a fight between them would go either way. Post TS, for now Zoro is stronger by a bit. If Zoro was so much stronger Oda would stop portraying them as rivals, and once again Sanji been fighting tough opponents while Zoro until recently hadn't fought anyone note worthy. Zoro still hasn't had a fight with anyone as strong as Vergo yet. So Zoro is strong but not by alot, you guys must ignore the **** out of Oda's portrayal of the two..
1. Smarter than you F*g
2. Zoro is still stronger than vergo so whats your point?
3. All lies Zoro has fought plenty of enemies sanji would lose against.
1. Smarter than you F*g
2. Zoro is still stronger than vergo so whats your point?
3. All lies Zoro has fought plenty of enemies sanji would lose against.
1. I doubt I've based on what I've seen.
2. Lol Vergo slaps Zoro, please tell me how he breaks his haki.
3. Please tell me what opponents Zoro has beat recently that Sanji would lose to. Because Sanji is raping Base Hody underwater, same with the Octopus Fishman, and if Sanji would actually kick a women Monet would get one shotted.
1. I doubt I've based on what I've seen.
2. Lol Vergo slaps Zoro, please tell me how he breaks his haki.
3. Please tell me what opponents Zoro has beat recently that Sanji would lose to. Because Sanji is raping Base Hody underwater, same with the Octopus Fishman, and if Sanji would actually kick a women Monet would get one shotted.
Honestly I respect you for making this thread however I do have to be honest.
Zoro is stronger than Sanji I mean I prefer Sanji's character however there's no denying Zoro would defeat Sanji in a fight same with the fact there is no denying Luffy would defeat Zoro.
However having said that I agree with you the Zorowank is ridiculous he get's overhyped for beating fodders and acting like the stereotypical badass character. He's the only character in One Piece where his fans make him disliked.
Anyway I believe the gap between Zoro and Sanji isn't that large I see Sanji being able to take Zoro to a high - extreme difficult fight, they are on the same tier. The power strength between the Monster Trio will always be Luffy>Zoro>Sanji and it makes sense really.
Zoro is owning Pica the 2nd strongest person in DD's crew Pica is above Vergo IMO.
the hate is always strong when you on top. I bet if there was a thread like sanji>>Zoro it would get 5 stars instantly but hey thats none of my business.
