Why is revenge acceptable for Shikamaru and Team Asuma

[Darth Uchiha]

Which is why you never see a guard or soldier claim that they're innocent when they take a life away intention or not. They know it wrong and already made their bed. They decided that it was for the greater good. I didn't say Cop because so far these past 20 years, cops have been killing people and claim that they're innocent.

Killing isn't always wrong, God, this is idiotic.

 

[Dannie]

Doesn't matter on expecting danger or not, the fact is the danger if caused by a personal/organization is the guilty party.

If a guard expects danger and defends against it then hoe is he innocent?

 

[Darth Uchiha]

If a guard expects danger and defends against it then hoe is he innocent?

Wait...what about the hoe?

 

[Nagi]

Yeah, only real men abandon their duty and let world leaders die because of the cowardice...wait...

You can look at however you want. You're not innocent if you attack a person. No matter what the reason is. At the end of the day, them type of people don't give a shit about being innocent or not as long what they're protecting is still there.

 

[Nagi]

Killing isn't always wrong, God, this is idiotic.

Did you just said that killing isn't always wrong, then said the word "God" in the same sentence. lol Interesting. Wrong or not, you're taking another person's life away. That is always wrong, no matter what.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Did you just said that killing isn't always wrong, then said the word "God" in the same sentence. lol Interesting. Wrong or not, you're taking another person's life away. That is always wrong, no matter what.

I'm an atheist, and, killing isn't wrong in self-defense, nor is it wrong when defending the innocent, or, should you just allow yourself, and/or innocent people to die?

 

[Frikid]

Good point. .

 

[Nagi]

I'm an atheist, and, killing isn't wrong in self-defense, nor is it wrong when defending the innocent, or, should you just allow yourself, and/or innocent people to die?

Im a atheist too. Well not really. My Philosophy is based on existentialism, transcendentalism, and buddhism. Self-awareness play a big role in my philosophy. Which is why I can't be 100% white or 100% black on subjects.

But anyway, yeah Killing isn't wrong in those events. But taking a life away is still wrong, You just have to deal with it and move on.

 

[V h o]

If a guard expects danger and defends against it then hoe is he innocent?

The guard obviously has to bang the hoe :skorm:

What is your definition of innocent for one?

Two before this continues:

If x person attacks the president and the guards protect the president, and then die. Would you consider those guards guilty of what crime?

 

[KingHashirama]

When they attacked sasuke, they got themselves involved

nope, according to the definition they did not.

They were not responsible for the event that Sasuke caused, and hence were innocent.

And also, Sasuke is the one who trespassed on their property =].

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Im a atheist too. Well not really. My Philosophy is based on existentialism, transcendentalism, and buddhism. Self-awareness play a big role in my philosophy. Which is why I can't be 100% white or 100% black on subjects.

But anyway, yeah Killing isn't wrong in those events. But taking a life away is still wrong, You just have to deal with it and move on.

Except your argument only works if you accept a black and white viewpoint...

 

[Nagi]

The guard obviously has to bang the hoe :skorm:

What is your definition of innocent for one?

Two before this continues:

If x person attacks the president and the guards protect the president, and then die. Would you consider those guards guilty of what crime?

They're not guilty, but they're not innocent. You can't work a dangerous job and expect to be innocent when shit hit south.

 

[KingHashirama]

They're not guilty, but they're not innocent. You can't work a dangerous job and expect to be innocent when shit hit south.

dangerous job =/= not being innocent.

 

[TrollKing]

The guard obviously has to bang the hoe :skorm:

What is your definition of innocent for one?

Two before this continues:

If x person attacks the president and the guards protect the president, and then die. Would you consider those guards guilty of what crime?

The baby or a bystander are certainly far more innocent than the guard if they got killed

Baby-has nothing to do with the president

Bystander-has nothing to do with the president, he just pass by, that's all

The guard-he's ready for attacker, and even looking out for attackers. A die hard

 

[lucario14]

Fuking great thread OP. I guess sasuke's wasn't justified because danzo was the acting hokage at the time. The only person naruto wanted to kill was orochimaru so he took revenge out of his system a while back

 

[Nagi]

Except your argument only works if you accept a black and white viewpoint...

let's say I kill a person in self-defense. Then court day come up, I'll say, "I know have taken a life away. So Im not innocent. But it was in self-defense. It was either gonna be his life or my life. I find myself "Not Guilty". It's biology, human nature, instincts that tell me to survive no matter what the cost. If Im Guilty, then the System we have is truly a failed one. The system is telling us to deny our human nature".

 

[Nagi]

dangerous job =/= not being innocent.

Which is why we have lawyers lol.

 

[King Of Pop]

Except this is still all because the Uchiha Clan died. Face it, it's not so much wanting to help everyone, as it is turning his revenge on the entire world for his clan being dead.

of course his clans massacre is part of the reason, whats wrong in having a motivation for a goal? theres no revenge involved, so take those words out of there. sasuke is not destroying the world nor does he seek to destroy it, he wants to reform it, to make it better. dont go againnst the manga

 

[TrollKing]

dangerous job =/= not being innocent.

The "innocent" in spoken word and the "innocent" in law are not the same

 

[Nagi]

The "innocent" in spoken word and the "innocent" in law are not the same

Damn, I should've said that a long time ago. XD Rep+