3T Obito vs 3T Itachi

Haizaki · Sep 27, 2014

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Haizaki · Sep 27, 2014

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..Not even Gyuki's punch could bypass it...So no he's not countering it without Susanoo which is restricted.

Lol there's even a chance that Susanoo's output may not be strong enough to destroy it.

ChocolateVanilla · Sep 27, 2014

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Exhibit A:

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Sasuke states that the Daburu Mangekyou is needed to achieve Susano'o. It has never been stated that you need the Mangekyou to activate Susano'o once it's been awakened.

Exhibit B:

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Madara with no eyes using Susano'o. Not much more needs to be said

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Itachi was able to use Susano'o even after his Sharingan has faded away(symbolizing that he has lost his light)

Conclusion:

Susano'o only requires two Mangekyou Sharingan to be awakened, but once achieved, Susano'o can be used even without the Mangekyou Sharingan active. This is due to the fact that the source of Susano'o is not the eyes, but the body which releases Yin chakra which creates form out of nothing

Haizaki · Sep 27, 2014

ChocolateVanilla said:
Exhibit A:

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Sasuke states that the Daburu Mangekyou is needed to achieve Susano'o. It has never been stated that you need the Mangekyou to activate Susano'o once it's been awakened.

Exhibit B:

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Madara with no eyes using Susano'o. Not much more needs to be said

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Itachi was able to use Susano'o even after his Sharingan has faded away(symbolizing that he has lost his light)

Conclusion:

Susano'o only requires two Mangekyou Sharingan to be awakened, but once achieved, Susano'o can be used even without the Mangekyou Sharingan active. This is due to the fact that the source of Susano'o is not the eyes, but the body which releases Yin chakra which creates form out of nothing

Even Madara who was blind could tell when the Mangekyou was being used

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So it doesn't necessarily have to do with it showing in the eyes.

Onoki was far from Madara but when he saw Susanoo he said:

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I don't know why he'll resort to his MS while using Amaterasu or Susanoo if his base form could just use it

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Same for Sasuke

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Sasuke also in his base form couldn't use Susanoo once the MS was gone

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Itachi's MS in that scan was deeming like Sasuke's as noted by Obito

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Demonic. · Sep 27, 2014

Evani said:
Even Madara who was blind could tell when the Mangekyou was being used
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So it doesn't necessarily have to do with it showing in the eyes.

Onoki was far from Madara but when he saw Susanoo he said:
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I don't know why he'll resort to his MS while using Amaterasu or Susanoo if his base form could just use it
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Same for Sasuke
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Sasuke also in his base form couldn't use Susanoo once the MS was gone
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Itachi's MS in that scan was deeming like Sasuke's as noted by Obito
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Lol stop it Evani. Chocolate Vanilla clearly won as soon as he showed a no eyed Madara using Susano and a Blind Itachi using Susano. His eyes were faded.

ChocolateVanilla · Sep 27, 2014

Evani said:
Even Madara who was blind could tell when the Mangekyou was being used
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So it doesn't necessarily have to do with it showing in the eyes.

Madara is also an adept sensor who had Sage Mode activated

Onoki was far from Madara but when he saw Susanoo he said:
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Well it would make sense because only Mangekyou Sharingan users can awaken Susano'o

Idon't know why he'll resort to his MS while using Amaterasu or Susanoo if his base form could just use it
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Amaterasu actually does require MS to be active to use, and in a situation where you might need to use an MS technique other than Susano'o, keeping the MS active would only make sense.

Same for Sasuke
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Sasuke also in his base form couldn't use Susanoo once the MS was gone
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Itachi's MS in that scan was deeming like Sasuke's as noted by Obito
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Sasuke was nearly out of Chakra and was strained to the point to where he couldn't maintain Susano'o any more.

Haizaki · Sep 27, 2014

Lol @Awesomesenju

ChocolateVanilla said:
Madara is also an adept sensor who had Sage Mode activated

Well it would make sense because only Mangekyou Sharingan users can awaken Susano'o

Amaterasu actually does require MS to be active to use, and in a situation where you might need to use an MS technique other than Susano'o, keeping the MS active would only make sense.

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Sasuke was nearly out of Chakra and was strained to the point to where he couldn't maintain Susano'o any more.

Sasuke never noted chakra to be the problem..Notice how he said " My vision"

Onoki was far away and said " Susanoo? He's got the MS out"

SM Madara is a sensor but at that point, he couldn't see...Why was it that he could tell Sasuke was using the MS despite not being able to see? Simply because he could sense his chakra..Not necessarily needed to be seen in his eyes. Meaning the MS doesn't need to be shown in ones eyes before they can use the techniques. Madara showed this with the Rinnegan. It's in the users blood.

Let's not forget SM Madara who had no eyes absorbed Amaterasu as well. That's a Rinnegan technique...Surely this is just 3T Itachi meaning MS techniques can't be used and strictly just his 3T.

ChocolateVanilla · Sep 27, 2014

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Lol @Awesomesenju

Sasuke never noted chakra to be the problem..Notice how he said " My vision"

Yes, but his chakra levels must have been extremely low as well, seeing as how his eyes didn't turn white(what happens when light is lost)
Either his Sharingan deactivated by default, or he manually deactivated it after feeling so much strain

Onoki was far away and said " Susanoo? He's got the MS out"

Well that just depends on how you interpret it, because the way I read
it implied that he was noting that Madara has the Mangekyou Sharingan[/quote]

SM Madara is a sensor but at that point, he couldn't see...Why was it that he could tell Sasuke was using the MS despite not being able to see? Simply because he could sense his chakra..Not necessarily needed to be seen in his eyes. Meaning the MS doesn't need to be shown in ones eyes before they can use the techniques. Madara showed this with the Rinnegan. It's in the users blood.

He knew Sasuke had the Mangekyou Sharingan out because the Sharingan is produced by a special kind of Chakra.
And they do technically... Amaterasu can't be used without an eye, nor Tsukuyomi etc
There needs to be more proof before your statement can be solidified

Let's not forget SM Madara who had no eyes absorbed Amaterasu as well. That's a Rinnegan technique...Surely this is just 3T Itachi meaning MS techniques can't be used and strictly just his 3T.

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The statement could be applied to Rinnegan techniques as well, but since neither can use a Rinnegan technique here, I don't care for it.
Susano'o is a MS technique, that I'll give, but the title implied that the MS is restricted, not it's techniques, so if a MS technique can be casted without the MS active, then it should be counted.

Haizaki · Sep 27, 2014

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Yes, but his chakra levels must have been extremely low as well, seeing as how his eyes didn't turn white(what happens when light is lost)
Either his Sharingan deactivated by default, or he manually deactivated it after feeling so much strain

You see now? It's leading to speculation. Not that this is really relevant but still the Manga already established the fact that they were MS techniques. Madara without seeing could tell only by sensing that the MS was being used meaning it's not only through the eyes.
Obito even notes how using Susanoo caused Sasuke's eyes to get blurry. I don't see why a technique would be affecting his eyes if he doesn't need his eyes for it

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It doesn't need to show for you to know it's in use...Itachi was losing his sight and still used it doesn't mean he used without the MS.

Well that just depends on how you interpret it, because the way I read
it implied that he was noting that Madara has the Mangekyou Sharingan

No..when He was using Susanoo, that's when Onoki noted he had the MS out. Showing that the MS is necessary for this.

He knew Sasuke had the Mangekyou Sharingan out because the Sharingan is produced by a special kind of Chakra.
And they do technically... Amaterasu can't be used without an eye, nor Tsukuyomi etc
There needs to be more proof before your statement can be solidified

This here is completely false..Your reason for him knowing Sasuke had the MS is wrong. The point is, Madara knew he was using the MS despite not being able to see it. In other words, it's not just by the eyes one can tell the MS is being used. The eyes doesn't have to show.

You're saying the MS is needed for for Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu but not for Susanoo? If you're going by the fact that it has to be shown in their eyes then you're probably wrong since Itachi used Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu in Part 1 without the MS shown.

Going by this deep logic we're using here,

MS needs to be shown in the eyes for Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu but not for Susanoo..I've shown you that MS is still required for Susanoo seeing as Madara without seeing Sasuke could tell by his chakra. It's in ones blood.

Though I'd admit it's terrible writing by Kishi.

The statement could be applied to Rinnegan techniques as well, but since neither can use a Rinnegan technique here, I don't care for it.
Susano'o is a MS technique, that I'll give, but the title implied that the MS is restricted, not it's techniques, so if a MS technique can be casted without the MS active, then it should be counted.

You don't care for it because it doesn't even sound right to you.

So...The Mangekyou sharingan is restricted but the Mangekyou sharingan's techniques are not? Clearly you know this sounds very wrong...If something is restricted, what it has to offer would also be restricted as well.

ChocolateVanilla · Sep 27, 2014

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You see now? It's leading to speculation. Not that this is really relevant but still the Manga already established the fact that they were MS techniques. Madara without seeing could tell only by sensing that the MS was being used meaning it's not only through the eyes.
Obito even notes how using Susanoo caused Sasuke's eyes to get blurry. I don't see why a technique would be affecting his eyes if he doesn't need his eyes for it
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It doesn't need to show for you to know it's in use...Itachi was losing his sight and still used it doesn't mean he used without the MS.

It's not

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Susano'o puts strain on every cell of his body, including the eyes. Can we assume that extreme strain would cause blurry vision? Yes

No..when He was using Susanoo, that's when Onoki noted he had the MS out. Showing that the MS is necessary for this.

Possibly to warn others of his Visual Prowess? Last I checked, Ohnoki wasn't an expert on Doujutsu

This here is completely false..Your reason for him knowing Sasuke had the MS is wrong. The point is, Madara knew he was using the MS despite not being able to see it. In other words, it's not just by the eyes one can tell the MS is being used. The eyes doesn't have to show.

You're saying the MS is needed for for Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu but not for Susanoo? If you're going by the fact that it has to be shown in their eyes then you're probably wrong since Itachi used Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu in Part 1 without the MS shown.

Going by this deep logic we're using here,

MS needs to be shown in the eyes for Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu but not for Susanoo..I've shown you that MS is still required for Susanoo seeing as Madara without seeing Sasuke could tell by his chakra. It's in ones blood.

Though I'd admit it's terrible writing by Kishi.

I agree that we're using deep logic, too deep.

Madara without SM is already a sensor, with it he's basically a super sensor

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already states that the Chakra from a Sharingan is different from regular Chakra so of course Madara could tell, especially if it is similar to his. He doesn't need to see a design to recognize it.
Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are both ocularlly based and Susano'o is based on the body seeing as how Sasuke felt pain in his entire body rather than just his eyes.

You don't care for it because it doesn't even sound right to you.

So...The Mangekyou sharingan is restricted but the Mangekyou sharingan's techniques are not? Clearly you know this sounds very wrong...If something is restricted, what it has to offer would also be restricted as well.

All I'm trying to defend is the fact that Susano'o hasn't really been shown to be directly correlated with the Mangekyou Sharingan other than the fact that you need to awaken the hidden potential in both of your eyes before you
can achieve it. I think this topic is being overthought

Haizaki · Sep 28, 2014

ChocolateVanilla said:
It's not
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Susano'o puts strain on every cell of his body, including the eyes. Can we assume that extreme strain would cause blurry vision? Yes

Not at all..This is where the problem is..Tobi states that about the Sharingan. How then would Madara know Sasuke was using the MS? Or rather know that Sasuke had a straight comma Mangekyou by just sensing...Notice how He even says special chakra sprouts in their brain and causes a change in their eyes. The fact that it initially starts with chakra should tell you that it's not just the eyes that indicate it.

Susanoo is formed through the Materialization of One's chakra. So one way or the other, It's still the Mangekyou involved.

Possibly to warn others of his Visual Prowess? Last I checked, Ohnoki wasn't an expert on Doujutsu

He doesn't need to be an expert..What I mean is he noted it was the Mangekyou as soon as he saw Susanoo..

I agree that we're using deep logic, too deep.

Madara without SM is already a sensor, with it he's basically a super sensor

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already states that the Chakra from a Sharingan is different from regular Chakra so of course Madara could tell, especially if it is similar to his. He doesn't need to see a design to recognize it.
Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are both ocularlly based and Susano'o is based on the body seeing as how Sasuke felt pain in his entire body rather than just his eyes.

So we agree that 3T Sasuke who had no MS(who fought Itachi) is basically the same here right? Tobirama refers to the special chakra of the sharingan but how then did Madara know it was a straight comma MS?

We agree that Obito noted Susanoo to be the reason his eyes were blurry as he was using it too much? Definitely it affected his eyes and the Manegkyou was required for it.

All I'm trying to defend is the fact that Susano'o hasn't really been shown to be directly correlated with the Mangekyou Sharingan other than the fact that you need to awaken the hidden potential in both of your eyes before you
can achieve it. I think this topic is being overthought

- Obito says Sasuke's eyes were blurry in reference to his Mangekyo because of Susanoo and suggest he takes Itachi's eyes.
- Sasuke says it's the third power( after Amaterasu and Tsukoyomi) of the Mangekyou Sharingan
- Onoki sees a Susanoo and says "He's got the MS out"
- As you get the Eternal MS, you have access to better variations of Susanoo..Definitely the MS is very necessary for Susanoo

ChocolateVanilla · Sep 28, 2014

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Not at all..This is where the problem is..Tobi states that about the Sharingan. How then would Madara know Sasuke was using the MS? Or rather know that Sasuke had a straight comma Mangekyou by just sensing...Notice how He even says special chakra sprouts in their brain and causes a change in their eyes. The fact that it initially starts with chakra should tell you that it's not just the eyes that indicate it.

Susanoo is formed through the Materialization of One's chakra. So one way or the other, It's still the Mangekyou involved.

That's where contextualization comes into play. Tobirama stated that the Sharingan is born through special chakra sprouting inside their brains, however, he makes no comment on the Mangekyou Sharingan

Now there are two ways you can look at how the Mangekyou is achieved

A) The Chakra remains the same and the design changes
B) New/More chakra is sprouted out signifying a difference between the two

Now option A would be completely asinine because
1. Karin noticed that Sasuke's chakra has become much darker ever since he's awoken the MS
2. The MS is awoken in the same manner as the regular Sharingan

So Madara being able to tell that Sasuke has the Mangekyou Sharingan should be due to the fact that he's able to sense this "special chakra".
And as for Susano'o being a manifestation of ones chakra, you are correct, but how exactly is the MS tied into it?
I recall Kakashi's Susano'o having a scar identical to Kakashi's on it, but Kakashi was usig Obito's Sharingan.

He doesn't need to be an expert..What I mean is he noted it was the Mangekyou as soon as he saw Susanoo..

Yes, because the Susano'o is usually tied in with the MS. Whenever someonr has Susano'o activated, they usually have their MS activated as well, so to someone who isn't educated on the MS, it would appear as Susano'o requires the MS activated.

So we agree that 3T Sasuke who had no MS(who fought Itachi) is basically the same here right? Tobirama refers to the special chakra of the sharingan but how then did Madara know it was a straight comma MS?

Explained above

We agree that Obito noted Susanoo to be the reason his eyes were blurry as he was using it too much? Definitely it affected his eyes and the Manegkyou was required for it.

Susano'o is also the reason for why Sasuke's body had taken so much strain that day, it easily could have affected a sensitive area like his eyes. Also, he didn't just state Susano'o, he said powers in general which can include Genjutsu, Amaterasu, keeping his MS active etc.

- Obito says Sasuke's eyes were blurry in reference to his Mangekyo because of Susanoo and suggest he takes Itachi's eyes.
- Sasuke says it's the third power( after Amaterasu and Tsukoyomi) of the Mangekyou Sharingan
- Onoki sees a Susanoo and says "He's got the MS out"
- As you get the Eternal MS, you have access to better variations of Susanoo..Definitely the MS is very necessary for Susanoo

Sasuke used multiple other techniques in conjunction with Susano'o

-The third power that the Mangekyou grants

-Ohnoki believes that the Mangekyou is directly tied with the Susano'o

-EMS could very well unlock those more powerful versions, unless you have a shortcut such as Rikudo's power

Haizaki · Sep 28, 2014

ChocolateVanilla said:
That's where contextualization comes into play. Tobirama stated that the Sharingan is born through special chakra sprouting inside their brains, however, he makes no comment on the Mangekyou Sharingan

Now there are two ways you can look at how the Mangekyou is achieved

A) The Chakra remains the same and the design changes
B) New/More chakra is sprouted out signifying a difference between the two

Now option A would be completely asinine because
1. Karin noticed that Sasuke's chakra has become much darker ever since he's awoken the MS
2. The MS is awoken in the same manner as the regular Sharingan

Firstly The Tobirama aspect is different in the sense that Sasuke when sensed had his and Itachi's power flowing through him...Tobi notes this is what gave him the power

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. Not to mention if Madara could tell by just chakra, the the eyes aren't the only give a away since the chakra causes the change.

This is Sasuke when he used a genjutsu on C

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..This is Sasuke when he pulls out Susanoo

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using his MS... C says his chakra were the same when he used the genjutsu and he didn't note it to be the same with his regular chakra when he fought Ay and the others like Karin did..Not to mention when he used Susanoo, Karin emphasized on how colder it was compared to before.

Not to mention that alone should tell you that it's not through the eyes alone that one can determine it if Karin could tell by the chakra...You're also ignoring the fact that Madara could tell by sensing his chakra alone that it was a straight comma. Susanoo is a manifestation of the Users chakra...Why do you think Sasuke's Susanoo got stronger after gaining the Rikudou's power? If it was just through the eyes alone? Why do you think Kakashi used Susanoo after gaining the DMS? Why do you think Sasuke resorted to awakening the MS when hit by liger bomb to protect himself with a ribcage

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when he could just use it?

Why do you think Sasuke who had his 3t activated his EMS in order to use Susanoo here

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and as soon as it's deactivated,

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Susanoo deactivates.

So Madara being able to tell that Sasuke has the Mangekyou Sharingan should be due to the fact that he's able to sense this "special chakra".

Exactly and that alone should tell you it's not just the eyes alone..Chakra causes the eyes to change..When Sasuke's MS deactivated, so did his Susanoo

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Itachi with his MS

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as soon as you see it's deactivated, so did Susanoo

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The Mangekyou is required...at least its chakra is and that's why Madara by sensing Sasuke's chakra could tell he had the Mangekyo.

And as for Susano'o being a manifestation of ones chakra, you are correct, but how exactly is the MS tied into it?
I recall Kakashi's Susano'o having a scar identical to Kakashi's on it, but Kakashi was usig Obito's Sharingan.

The MS is tied to it in the sense that the MS is needed for it...Chakra causes the change in the eyes right? Then the chakra still remains in the body since it's what causes that change.

Yes, because the Susano'o is usually tied in with the MS. Whenever someonr has Susano'o activated, they usually have their MS activated as well, so to someone who isn't educated on the MS, it would appear as Susano'o requires the MS activated.

Susanoo requires the MS and considering the chakra is what leads to the change in the eyes. Susanoo is a manifestation of the users chakra.

Also, if Sasuke had his 3t but still had to activate his EMS in order to use Susanoo. Thats says a lot. Notice how Madara had his 3t here

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but then needed his MS power/eyes/chakra or so for his Susanoo here

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Susano'o is also the reason for why Sasuke's body had taken so much strain that day, it easily could have affected a sensitive area like his eyes. Also, he didn't just state Susano'o, he said powers in general which can include Genjutsu, Amaterasu, keeping his MS active etc.

This what Tobi says here

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He notes Susanoo to be the very main reason at least..Not saying the other techniques aren't important but if the MS wasn't needed for it, it shouldn't be affecting his eyes.

Sasuke used multiple other techniques in conjunction with Susano'o

-The third power that the Mangekyou grants

-Ohnoki believes that the Mangekyou is directly tied with the Susano'o

-EMS could very well unlock those more powerful versions, unless you have a shortcut such as Rikudo's power

- Tobi notes that it was Susanoo that was the main reason for losing his sight

- Proof is when Madara had his 3t and then activated his MS in order to use Susanoo...Onoki then notes his got the MS out.

Being able to use certain eyes techniques without the eyes could be due to the fact that eye's power/chakra flows through the person.

- Notice how Nagato had just one Rinnegan but then each and every path had access to his techniques as he could used the chakra receivers to send his own chakra to them.

- Notice how Madara had his EMS but then had to activate his Rinnegan despite the sheer speed of Rasenshuriken in order to absorb it

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I think this may be due to the fact that as you're using the Rinnegan's chakra or MS chakra for a technique, they cause a change in the look of your eyes..Who knows?

- Notice how upon using the chakra receivers, The Rinnegan's chakra can be felt

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ChocolateVanilla · Sep 28, 2014

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Firstly The Tobirama aspect is different in the sense that Sasuke when sensed had his and Itachi's power flowing through him...Tobi notes this is what gave him the power
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. Not to mention if Madara could tell by just chakra, the the eyes aren't the only give a away since the chakra causes the change.

This is Sasuke when he used a genjutsu on C
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..This is Sasuke when he pulls out Susanoo
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using his MS... C says his chakra were the same when he used the genjutsu and he didn't note it to be the same with his regular chakra when he fought Ay and the others like Karin did..Not to mention when he used Susanoo, Karin emphasized on how colder it was compared to before.

Not to mention that alone should tell you that it's not through the eyes alone that one can determine it if Karin could tell by the chakra...You're also ignoring the fact that Madara could tell by sensing his chakra alone that it was a straight comma. Susanoo is a manifestation of the Users chakra...Why do you think Sasuke's Susanoo got stronger after gaining the Rikudou's power? If it was just through the eyes alone? Why do you think Kakashi used Susanoo after gaining the DMS? Why do you think Sasuke resorted to awakening the MS when hit by liger bomb to protect himself with a ribcage
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when he could just use it?

Why do you think Sasuke who had his 3t activated his EMS in order to use Susanoo here
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and as soon as it's deactivated,
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Susanoo deactivates.

Exactly and that alone should tell you it's not just the eyes alone..Chakra causes the eyes to change..When Sasuke's MS deactivated, so did his Susanoo
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Itachi with his MS
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as soon as you see it's deactivated, so did Susanoo
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The Mangekyou is required...at least its chakra is and that's why Madara by sensing Sasuke's chakra could tell he had the Mangekyo.

The MS is tied to it in the sense that the MS is needed for it...Chakra causes the change in the eyes right? Then the chakra still remains in the body since it's what causes that change.

Susanoo requires the MS and considering the chakra is what leads to the change in the eyes. Susanoo is a manifestation of the users chakra.

Also, if Sasuke had his 3t but still had to activate his EMS in order to use Susanoo. Thats says a lot. Notice how Madara had his 3t here
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but then needed his MS power/eyes/chakra or so for his Susanoo here
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This what Tobi says here
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He notes Susanoo to be the very main reason at least..Not saying the other techniques aren't important but if the MS wasn't needed for it, it shouldn't be affecting his eyes.

- Tobi notes that it was Susanoo that was the main reason for losing his sight

- Proof is when Madara had his 3t and then activated his MS in order to use Susanoo...Onoki then notes his got the MS out.

Being able to use certain eyes techniques without the eyes could be due to the fact that eye's power/chakra flows through the person.

- Notice how Nagato had just one Rinnegan but then each and every path had access to his techniques as he could used the chakra receivers to send his own chakra to them.

- Notice how Madara had his EMS but then had to activate his Rinnegan despite the sheer speed of Rasenshuriken in order to absorb it
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I think this may be due to the fact that as you're using the Rinnegan's chakra or MS chakra for a technique, they cause a change in the look of your eyes..Who knows?

- Notice how upon using the chakra receivers, The Rinnegan's chakra can be felt
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Agree to disagree? Because it looks like I'm not going to be changing your opinion any time soon.

Haizaki · Sep 28, 2014

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Agree to disagree? Because it looks like I'm not going to be changing your opinion any time soon.

Alright bro.. I gave reasons that should disprove the idea though.

How is it MS is required for Susanoo and then they can use it without the Power of the MS? Just like saying Kakashi should still be able to use Kamui or Susanoo despite him losing the 2 eyes. Without the Power/Chakra of the MS, they can't use Susanoo.

I showed scans of people having to activate first before they use it despite having their 3t activated and it being deactivated when the MS deactivates. Madara's case is due to the chakra..That's why without seeing Sasuke's eyes, he could tell Sasuke was using the MS just by sensing his chakra. I fully well explained the chakra bit.

ATD · Sep 28, 2014

Without susanno itachi looses badly ofc
Half zetsu body of obito heals every wound and gives him enormous chakra.

With susanno itachi has a good defense but obito has a doton affinity, on of the best counters to susanno without legs.
He can easily move underground beneath the susanno and enter it, in close combat obito has the advantage due to mokuton and cell regeneration due to hasiramas cells, he will kill itachi who will be drained from susanno.
In the worst case scenario obito still has izanagi to fool death one time, he can use this for a surprise counter.

If this is 3t itachi without susanno , obito low-med diff
If this is 3t itachi with susanno, obito med diff.

uzamakininjalegend · Sep 28, 2014

Itachi wins low diff

LustyLover · Sep 28, 2014

I see nothing capable of putting Itachi down.

ATD · Sep 28, 2014

HolyEyes said:
I see nothing capable of putting Itachi down.

Sorry but itachi inside of susanno has no counter to obito entering his susanno with underground tunnel.
In close combat itachi has nothing which can't be healed with hashirama cells, i know it is haxed but itachi looses even with susanno.

LustyLover · Sep 28, 2014

ATD said:
Sorry but itachi inside of susanno has no counter to obito entering his susanno with underground tunnel.
In close combat itachi has nothing which can't be healed with hashirama cells, i know it is haxed but itachi looses even with susanno.

3T Itachi doesn't need Susano'o against 3T Obito. I don't see what Obito could do to Itachi. Itachi's too fast for him to even land a scratch on him.

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