[Discussion] Whitebeard Pirates and Red Hair Pirates vs. Marines(with Shichibukai)

[Uzumaki Macho]

Location: Marineford
Conditions: Everyone that escaped from Impel Down show up, except the BB Pirates. All Shichibukai are serious.
My argument: Marines high diff. Imo this is how the match-ups would go: Marco vs Kizaru, Beckman vs Aokiji, Jozu+Shanks 2nd mate(lets just say for now that it is Lucky Roo) vs Akainu, the 20 VAs vs the Division Commanders and Shanks high ranking members, Shanks vs Mihawk, and Whitebeard vs Garp and Sengoku. Kizaru should beat Marco high diff, Beckman loses high diff, and Jozu and Lucky Roo lose to Akainu high diff.

The only other impressive division commanders were Ace and Vista, the others were probably low VA level. Yassop is probably top VA level, the other high ranking members in Shanks crew probably range from low VA to high VA. I think that the 20 VAs should be able to handle that. Shanks would beat Mihawk high-extreme diff, and Whitebeard loses to Garp and Sengoku high diff, so those two should be able to finish Shanks off, but they would be very close to death and unable to fight anymore.

Then there are the other 4 Shichibukai, Pacifista, and Sentomaru vs Luffy, Jinbe, Croc, Ivankov, and. Luffy's team doesn't have enough strength to beat them, especially since Doffy is there, and I think they lose low diff.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Are you kidding me? One Yonko crew+allies almost wrecked the Marines. Two Yonko crews would defeat them.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Are you kidding me? One Yonko crew+allies almost wrecked the Marines. Two Yonko crews would defeat them.

Kizaru and Aokiji had practically no injuries. Akainu received a lot of injuries from WB but was still able to fight the rest of the WB Pirates. Garp and Sengoku did nothing. Mihawk and Doflamingo weren't serious. Hancock did more harm to the Marines than she did to the WB Pirates. It wasn't as tough for the Marines as you think.

 

[Anduril]

Are you serious?
Shanks + Jozu + Lucky roo would shit on Akainu in no time.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Are you serious?
Shanks + Jozu + Lucky roo would shit on Akainu in no time.

Shanks would be fighting Mihawk.

 

[Anduril]

Shanks would be fighting Mihawk.

Then Akainu shits on both of them...

Also Mihawk refuses to fight shanks.

 

[Cigbeast]

Shanks would be fighting Mihawk.

I know we havent seen much, but i would suppose Shanks could tank more than mihawk

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Then Akainu shits on both of them...

Also Mihawk refuses to fight shanks.

Read the conditions, all Shichibukai are serious and loyal.

 

[bsims08]

They could barley contain the WB Pirates yet alone the Red Hair Pirates. They had to stop the damn war cause of the Red Heads

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

They could barley contain the WB Pirates yet alone the Red Hair Pirates. They had to stop the damn war cause of the Red Heads

Kizaru and Aokiji had practically no injuries. Akainu received a lot of injuries from WB but was still able to fight the rest of the WB Pirates. Garp and Sengoku did nothing. Mihawk and Doflamingo weren't serious. Hancock did more harm to the Marines than she did to the WB Pirates. It wasn't as tough for the Marines as you think.

They stopped the war because the Marines didn't want more casualties, that doesn't mean that they would have lost.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kizaru and Aokiji had practically no injuries. Akainu received a lot of injuries from WB but was still able to fight the rest of the WB Pirates. Garp and Sengoku did nothing. Mihawk and Doflamingo weren't serious. Hancock did more harm to the Marines than she did to the WB Pirates. It wasn't as tough for the Marines as you think.

Two people barely having injuries has nothing to do with the overall toll. And the Hancock thing? There's no way I'm taking this seriously now.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Two people barely having injuries has nothing to do with the overall toll. And the Hancock thing? There's no way I'm taking this seriously now.

She destroyed several Pacifista, but the only thing she did to the WB Pirates was turn a few of their fodders into stone. It does when those two people are Admirals.

 

[Hexuze]

Shanks & WB's team win with mid-diff. Having two yonko's is overkill, especially one who is depicted as CoC/haki master & is healthy. (Shanks)

 

[bsims08]

They stopped the war because the Marines didn't want more casualties, that doesn't mean that they would have lost.

Well this means the pirates would obviously win. If they had to stop because they already lost too many people, then adding another Yonko crew would be game over

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Well this means the pirates would obviously win. If they had to stop because they already lost too many people, then adding another Yonko crew would be game over

Not it doesn't. The Marines had no reason to fight the Red Hairs and would have lost a lot of soldiers if they did, and Sengoku realized this.

 

[Bogard]

If it's the yonkous without their allied pirates(people still neglect the fact Whitebeard had something like 70 allied troups for some reasons), the marines(with Shichibukais) will take this high difficulty. With their allied pirates it may go either way(not sure at the moment)

 

[Olorin]

Imo the Marines win

Are you kidding me? One Yonko crew+allies almost wrecked the Marines. Two Yonko crews would defeat them.

Actually the WB pirates were completely wrecked while only Akainu was mildly injured at the Marines side, meaning the Yonko and all his allies injured (and not even badly) exactly 1 top tier of the Marines with Aokiji, Kizaru, Sengoku, Mihawk and Garp being completely fine

On the other hand the pirates had heavy casualties, WB and Ace dead and Marco and Jozu were pushed back by Akainu low dif

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Marines wins this.

Sengoku and Garp - Yonko level
Akainu and Aokiji - at least Admiral level, if not Yonko level
Kizaru - Admiral level
Numeros VA level
Mihawk - Yonko level
Hancock - near admiral level
Kuma - Va level
DD - Admiral level
Other shichibukai

vs

WB - Yonko level
Marco - Admiral level
Ace, Jozu, Vista - near admiral level
Other commanders - probably Va level

Shanks - Yonko level
Backman - Admiral level
other core members - probably VA level

Marines has 3 Yonkos, 2 possible Yonko level/at least admiral level, 2 admiral level, 1 near admiral level and numeros others VA level fighters

Alliance has 2 Yonkos, 2 admirals, at least 3 near admiral level (+ possible Lucky Roo and Yasopp), and numeros others VA level.

Not to mention that marines outnumber Alliance, they win this.

Impel Down won't make much of a difference

 

[jiraiya lives]

Beckaman+Marco vs Kizaru=Rip my fav OP character Kizaru

Shanks+Whitebeard=RIP Akainu with possible some energy left over to beat Garp and Sengoku

Jozu+Lucky roo vs Aokiji=a fight that will go on long enough to keep things in favor for the pirates

Yassop picks apart the other marines with sniper fire while vista and Luffy head up to save ace....


But tbh that's very unlikely to go exactly that way so In all honesty I'd have to give it to the marines considering the Warlords are gonna be going all out (Though only Dofly, Mihawk, and PXKuma pose a threat)...Hancock will support luffy

 

[Punk Hazard]

Imo the Marines win



Actually the WB pirates were completely wrecked while only Akainu was mildly injured at the Marines side, meaning the Yonko and all his allies injured (and not even badly) exactly 1 top tier of the Marines with Aokiji, Kizaru, Sengoku, Mihawk and Garp being completely fine

On the other hand the pirates had heavy casualties, WB and Ace dead and Marco and Jozu were pushed back by Akainu low dif

The Marine side also faced heavy casualties.

I'm beginning to wonder if a single person here actually read MF, or understand why Coby had to yell for them to stop. Marines were dying left and right too. Akainu was badly injured as well. The only notable people who were badly put down were Whitebard, Ace and Jozu, and that only happened because Whitebeard's health was at an all-time low, Ace went against his worst match-up, and Jozu got distracted. Many of the other WB commanders were fine, such as Vista, who Mihawk himself took note of. Two Yonko crews, one of them being in their prime? Please, the marines get anally raped.