Serious Question

[KingHashirama]

1. Kaguya
2. Madara
3. Rikudou

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Logic says that Naruto Vs Sasuke is the best fight of the whole series.

 

[NukaCola]

Dual Rinnegan Madara's feats were already countered by Naruto and Sasuke and they weren't even trying.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Dual Rinnegan Madara's feats were already countered by Naruto and Sasuke and they weren't even trying.

Madara was the only true villain that never went all out.

So your entire post s contradiction.

And again, you are referring to a 1v2 fight I said individually.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Logic says that Naruto Vs Sasuke is the best fight of the whole series.

That's nice

 

[RikudouMadara]

No, madara is stronger than the sage and he is probably as strong as kaguya

I truly agree with this.... And considering what double rinnegan Madara showed vs the two mains and what was shown in their fight against Kaguya I agree with this....

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

I truly agree with this.... And considering what double rinnegan Madara showed vs the two mains and what was shown in their fight against Kaguya I agree with this....

I do to, but I'm tired of getting neg for saying madara is the strongest.

 

[spade3dg]

No, madara is stronger than the sage and he is probably as strong as kaguya

Prove Madara is on there level or your opinion is invalid.
This is the thing about the So6p power.
Sasuke had half. Naruto had half. Together they were stronger than Madara. Since his power was split between the two, if it joins into one being it will still be stronger than Madara. You fail.

 

[KidGamer65]

I do to, but I'm tired of getting neg for saying madara is the strongest.

Lol. When you state that Madara is above Kaguya despite the manga saying the opposite, you should expect neg rep.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Lol. When you state that Madara is above Kaguya despite the manga saying the opposite, you should expect neg rep.

The manga states prime hiruzen is above hashi, but hey. Your words not mine.

 

[KidGamer65]

The manga states prime hiruzen is above hashi, but hey. Your words not mine.

The manga stated that in a time where Kishimoto wanted to establish Hiruzen as the strongest. As of late, meaning, as of Part II, Kishi has made it clear as day that Hashirama is the strongest.

-Called God of Shinobi in Part 1.

-Called a fairy tail due to his strength.

-Hiruzen is no longer called the "Strongest Hokage" in databook 3, unlike 1 and 2.

The manga states that Kaguya is above Madara. You, and every other fan needs to learn to accept it.

 

[Tarinth]

Yeah, I pretty much agree. I only disagree with statements of Madara having surpassed Hagoromo. Naruto
and Sasuke both fought with Madara pretty well, and while I'm sure Madara could've pounded the two of them
into the dust eventually, I don't see Hagoromo ever being lopped in half by Sasuke. Also, I'm pretty sure Hagoromo
has more chakra as well as the seals. I don't think Madara having more battle experience will make him win either,
as Hagoromo had the rinnegan for years, so it would've allowed him to master things much more quickly, while Madara
would've trained for longer, but Madara didn't learn as quickly due to not having the same level of doujutsu so I'd say
they would fight with equal skill, although Madara might be a little more cunning.

The two are very equal. It pretty much comes down to Madara being immortal vs. Hagoromo having seals by touch. So in
the end, Madara and hagoromo would struggle for a bunch of time until Hagoromo manages to touch Madara in a taijutsu
combat and it's GG for Madara there.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

The manga stated that in a time where Kishimoto wanted to establish Hiruzen as the strongest. As of late, meaning, as of Part II, Kishi has made it clear as day that Hashirama is the strongest.

-Called God of Shinobi in Part 1.

-Called a fairy tail due to his strength.

-Hiruzen is no longer called the "Strongest Hokage" in databook 3, unlike 1 and 2.

The manga states that Kaguya is above Madara. You, and every other fan needs to learn to accept it.

I know that kaguya is over Madara
Just like you know hashi is over hiruzen.

It's just the manga isn't in your favor.

 

[JCW]

Does anyone ever think like "do these characters have a back story that hasn't been shared. But the answer to that ends up

"Fanfic bro"

Of:

Kaguya>hago>madara>naruto
Kaguya>hago>madara>sasuke
Kaguya>hago>madara<=sasuke+naruto

I honestly wish Kaguya came later. I wanted to see the full extent of madara at that time...

 

[KidGamer65]

I know that kaguya is over Madara
Just like you know hashi is over hiruzen.

It's just the manga isn't in your favor.

The manga is in my favor, as I've explained. Repeating the same things over and over again isn't going to change that.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Only Three-eyed JJ Madara COULD(NOT beats) beat JJ Hagoromo but vice versa as well.

 

[KidGamer65]

Only Three-eyed JJ Madara COULD(NOT beats) beat JJ Hagoromo but vice versa as well.

Based on what?

 

[KCMNaruto]

Based on what?

Both have mastery over Rinnegan, Madara has MS abilities, Sussano and sharingan genjtusu powers, precognition.
I believe Hagoromo is immune to Genjutsu most likely, but it gives Madara more versatility.

Both Madara and Hagoromo has Senjutsu of six paths, Hagoromo's only advantage is seals on his hands which Madara lack.
Madara's combined CT would be close to Hagoromo's Moon CT.

Double Rinnegan JJ Madara would loose most likely as Hagoromo has more expierience with Rinnegan and wisdom. It is possible to use Ninshu for offensive purpouse but it is speculation. Hagoromo's body traits, spirit's traits are unkown as speed, strength etc. which make it more difficult to properly judge.

Still JJ DRG Madara didn't go all out against Both Naruto and Sasuke, also if Tomoe Rinnegan which Madara got on forehead has more to offer then IT then Madara could beat JJ Hagoromo but vice versa as well.

If Third eye is just for IT... then Madara could absorb chakra from people caught in IT gaining more chakra making him closer to Kaguya so potentialy Three-eyed JJ Madara is only one who could beat JJ Hagoromo except Kaguya.

 

[KidGamer65]

Both have mastery over Rinnegan, Madara has MS abilities, Sussano and sharingan genjtusu powers, precognition.

Ok.

Both Madara and Hagoromo has Senjutsu of six paths, Hagoromo's only advantage is seals on his hands which Madara lack.

Senjutsu of the Six Paths grants new abilities, and its basically a Sage Mode on steroids. The stronger you are in base, the stronger you'll be when using the mode. I'm pretty sure that Madara w/o the Juubi doesn't stand a chance against Hagoromo w/o the Juubi, so the same applies when they both get the Juubi.

Madara's combined CT would be close to Hagoromo's Moon CT.

Means nothing since Madara being able to match a dying Hagoromo's feat doesn't mean he's equal, mainly because he did that without the Juubi. Two halves of Hagoromo's power were strong to pressure Kaguya, who was stated to be a level above Madara. There is no way that Naruto and Sasuke, or Hagoromo would lose to Madara. It wouldn't even be high diff.

Not to mention even after giving his power to Naruto and Sasuke, he's able to bring the Kage from the Pure Land to the living world with a mere clap of the hand, and he can send them back, along with Edo Tensei Zombies. With a clap of the hand.

Double Rinnegan JJ Madara would loose most likely as Hagoromo has more expierience with Rinnegan and wisdom. It is possible to use Ninshu for offensive purpouse but it is speculation. Hagoromo's body traits, spirit's traits are unkown as speed, strength etc. which make it more difficult to properly judge.

His speed and strength should be only second to Kaguya. He already inherited the strongest form of chakra (Shinju's fruit) directly from Kaguya, who is the one who ate the fruit. When it comes to these people, chakra is power. When Kaguya got more chakra, her speed and strength increased. Hagoromo's speed and strength should be no lower than Naruto's.

Still JJ DRG Madara didn't go all out against Both Naruto and Sasuke, also if Tomoe Rinnegan which Madara got on forehead has more to offer then IT then Madara could beat JJ Hagoromo but vice versa as well.

If Third eye is just for IT... then Madara could absorb chakra from people caught in IT gaining more chakra making him closer to Kaguya so potentialy Three-eyed JJ Madara is only one who could beat JJ Hagoromo except Kaguya.

Being able to use IT doesn't translate into having the ability to absorb chakra from the ones inside the Genjutsu. Until proven otherwise that is Kaguya's specialty and Kaguya's specialty alone.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Ok.


Senjutsu of the Six Paths grants new abilities, and its basically a Sage Mode on steroids. The stronger you are in base, the stronger you'll be when using the mode. I'm pretty sure that Madara w/o the Juubi doesn't stand a chance against Hagoromo w/o the Juubi, so the same applies when they both get the Juubi.



Means nothing since Madara being able to match a dying Hagoromo's feat doesn't mean he's equal, mainly because he did that without the Juubi. Two halves of Hagoromo's power were strong to pressure Kaguya, who was stated to be a level above Madara. There is no way that Naruto and Sasuke, or Hagoromo would lose to Madara. It wouldn't even be high diff.

Not to mention even after giving his power to Naruto and Sasuke, he's able to bring the Kage from the Pure Land to the living world with a mere clap of the hand, and he can send them back, along with Edo Tensei Zombies. With a clap of the hand.


His speed and strength should be only second to Kaguya. He already inherited the strongest form of chakra (Shinju's fruit) directly from Kaguya, who is the one who ate the fruit. When it comes to these people, chakra is power. When Kaguya got more chakra, her speed and strength increased. Hagoromo's speed and strength should be no lower than Naruto's.



Being able to use IT doesn't translate into having the ability to absorb chakra from the ones inside the Genjutsu. Until proven otherwise that is Kaguya's specialty and Kaguya's specialty alone.

Well fair enough, then I have no counter to your arguments anymore.

You blown away all my doubts, thank you