I never said he defeated him, but he was hyped to be capable of that(alongside Sentoumaru, Pacifistas and Kuma) by himself if he was younger and the fact that even in an old and rusty age(didn't held a sword in a while) he could match Kizaru tends to prove that. Considering that Dragon is by hype weaker than old Whitebeard, who at beast is equal if not inferior to Prime Rayleigh, Dragon loses. Prime Rayleigh has superior hype in this caseLOLWUT? Please show me the panel were he defeated him. Please? I beg of it! Because I can only recall the panel were he starts sweating and panting whereas Kizaru isn't, and then the panel where he says he'd have beaten Kizaru in his prime, but nothing illustrating him defeating him; damn Oda for not putting that panel in volume 53.
Can you not read? He obviously said that Rayleigh was capable of defeating, not defeated so and so. Wow.Prime Rayleigh. I believe Shanks & Dragon are all gonna peak thereabouts since neither is gonna equal/surpass Roger - that's Luffy's job. Sure, I say Dragon may par with Rayleigh, but from what I've gathered, Dragon is a DF user, and Haki>DF; ergo, Rayleigh>Dragon.
Said no one ever.
LOLWUT? Please show me the panel were he defeated him. Please? I beg of it! Because I can only recall the panel were he starts sweating and panting whereas Kizaru isn't, and then the panel where he says he'd have beaten Kizaru in his prime, but nothing illustrating him defeating him; damn Oda for not putting that panel in volume 53.
Common sense ain't common no more...some people like to be spoon fed by OdaDragon is stronger by hype and common sense.
You know Old Whitebeard was the world strongest man and not Dragon right?Common sense ain't common no more...some people like to be spoon fed by Oda
Yupp I'm aware I still believe Dragon would beat him though..you can't drop too the ground and hold your chest vs someone like Dragon, thats the perfect recipe for getting lightnimg droped on you..if we are talking prime then u winYou know Old Whitebeard was the world strongest man and not Dragon right?
Garp Dragon and Shanks I can understand but Mihawk? Its not dat deep bruhGarp, Dragon, Mihawk and Shanks were all > Old WB
No, i'm talking about old healthy Whitebeard, not old sick, back stabbed by Squardo decreasing his health with multiple injuries beforehand Whitebeard. It's that Whitebeard who was the strongest man in the world, yet Prime Rayleigh was stronger than himYupp I'm aware I still believe Dragon would beat him though..you can't drop too the ground and hold your chest vs someone like Dragon, thats the perfect recipe for getting lightnimg droped on you..if we are talking prime then u win
I still think Dragon would beat "beforehand" WB honestly. Because WB reaction time was shot to hell ..or else Squardo wouldn't have stabbed him. WB said it himself "I am one man with one heart I can't continue being the strongest forever"..No, i'm talking about old healthy Whitebeard, not old sick, back stabbed by Squardo decreasing his health with multiple injuries beforehand Whitebeard. It's that Whitebeard who was the strongest man in the world, yet Prime Rayleigh was stronger than him
Not really; 'cause later on he said that he could've beaten Kizaru and stopped Kuma if he was in his prime. And when you say "he could match Kizaru", that's also wrong because he admitted that due to his old age, he would've became more tired as the fight prolonged.I never said he defeated him, but he was hyped to be capable of that(alongside Sentoumaru, Pacifistas and Kuma) by himself if he was younger and the fact that even in an old and rusty age(didn't held a sword in a while) he could match Kizaru tends to prove that. Considering that Dragon is by hype weaker than old Whitebeard, who at beast is equal if not inferior to Prime Rayleigh, Dragon loses. Prime Rayleigh has superior hype in this case
Rayleigh has barely any feats, not enough for assumptionsRayleigh by feats
Dragon by hype
I think Rayleigh would win tho
Despite being old & not using his sword for a long time, he was keeping up with an admiral. He also manged to land a small cut on him which even Sabo couldn't even do to fujitora.Rayleigh has barely any feats, not enough for assumptions
Sabo is nowhere near admiral level, no rookie is. Even doflamingo is scared shit when he thinks about admirals chasing him downDespite being old & not using his sword for a long time, he was keeping up with an admiral. He also manged to land a small cut on him which even Sabo couldn't even do to fujitora.
Zoro is < Luffy not <=Sabo is nowhere near admiral level, no rookie is. Even doflamingo is scared shit when he thinks about admirals chasing him down
Rayleigh, being the first mate of Roger, was almost as strong as roger (much like Zoro is =< luffy). But a single feat isn't enough to compare him with the current strongest man in the world (which is Dragon most likely)
You're underestimating Zoro, swordsmen are the greatest weakness of luffy. Mihawk scared the shit out of luffy during whitebeard war. Luffy has learned haki since then, well so has ZoroZoro is < Luffy not <=