[Discussion] Prime Rayleigh vs Dragon

[Zorø]

Dragon is stronger by hype and common sense.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

At best Prime Silvers will be Yonko level.

At worst Dragon will be on Yonko level, at best Dragon will be Pirate King level.

He should take this.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Dragon hasn't even been said to be strong....so i don't know why people think he is pirate king level....
he is the most wanted person not strongest and no just because he is the most wanted doesn't make him the strongest since he is the most wanted because he directly opposes the gov. think about it who would the government want to capture the most?? A bandit or a guy who wants to overthrow the government????
PS i am not saying he is weak but as of right now we don't know strong he is/what his capabilities are.....heck we don't even know his fighting style. is he a haki freak or devil fruit user??? we don't know

 

[Hexuze]

Prime Rayleigh would probably win. Even at an old age and without using his sword for a long time, he was able to keep up with Kizaru. That's an impressive feat. We know nothing about Dragon so it's kind of unfair & even with hype it's hard to say.

 

[Bogard]

LOLWUT? Please show me the panel were he defeated him. Please? I beg of it! Because I can only recall the panel were he starts sweating and panting whereas Kizaru isn't, and then the panel where he says he'd have beaten Kizaru in his prime, but nothing illustrating him defeating him; damn Oda for not putting that panel in volume 53.

I never said he defeated him, but he was hyped to be capable of that(alongside Sentoumaru, Pacifistas and Kuma) by himself if he was younger and the fact that even in an old and rusty age(didn't held a sword in a while) he could match Kizaru tends to prove that. Considering that Dragon is by hype weaker than old Whitebeard, who at beast is equal if not inferior to Prime Rayleigh, Dragon loses. Prime Rayleigh has superior hype in this case

 

[SSS12]

I think they're about the same level. It will depend on what kind of abilities Dragon has and how they match up against Rayleigh.

Prime Rayleigh. I believe Shanks & Dragon are all gonna peak thereabouts since neither is gonna equal/surpass Roger - that's Luffy's job. Sure, I say Dragon may par with Rayleigh, but from what I've gathered, Dragon is a DF user, and Haki>DF; ergo, Rayleigh>Dragon.



Said no one ever.



LOLWUT? Please show me the panel were he defeated him. Please? I beg of it! Because I can only recall the panel were he starts sweating and panting whereas Kizaru isn't, and then the panel where he says he'd have beaten Kizaru in his prime, but nothing illustrating him defeating him; damn Oda for not putting that panel in volume 53.

Can you not read? He obviously said that Rayleigh was capable of defeating, not defeated so and so. Wow.

 

[shon93]

Dragon is stronger by hype and common sense.

Common sense ain't common no more...some people like to be spoon fed by Oda

 

[Bogard]

Common sense ain't common no more...some people like to be spoon fed by Oda

You know Old Whitebeard was the world strongest man and not Dragon right?

 

[shon93]

You know Old Whitebeard was the world strongest man and not Dragon right?

Yupp I'm aware I still believe Dragon would beat him though..you can't drop too the ground and hold your chest vs someone like Dragon, thats the perfect recipe for getting lightnimg droped on you..if we are talking prime then u win

 

[silmarill]

Garp, Dragon, Mihawk and Shanks were all > Old WB

 

[Zorø]

Garp, Dragon, Mihawk and Shanks were all > Old WB

Garp Dragon and Shanks I can understand but Mihawk? Its not dat deep bruh

 

[Bogard]

Yupp I'm aware I still believe Dragon would beat him though..you can't drop too the ground and hold your chest vs someone like Dragon, thats the perfect recipe for getting lightnimg droped on you..if we are talking prime then u win

No, i'm talking about old healthy Whitebeard, not old sick, back stabbed by Squardo decreasing his health with multiple injuries beforehand Whitebeard. It's that Whitebeard who was the strongest man in the world, yet Prime Rayleigh was stronger than him

 

[shon93]

No, i'm talking about old healthy Whitebeard, not old sick, back stabbed by Squardo decreasing his health with multiple injuries beforehand Whitebeard. It's that Whitebeard who was the strongest man in the world, yet Prime Rayleigh was stronger than him

I still think Dragon would beat "beforehand" WB honestly. Because WB reaction time was shot to hell ..or else Squardo wouldn't have stabbed him. WB said it himself "I am one man with one heart I can't continue being the strongest forever"..

Any how the popular argument on any forum is Dragon doesn't have any feats..so I can't possibly win this argument. I just get the vibe that the dude is on Prime WB level or Roger. But thats just hype and the way he is presented..and the fact that his son is the main character and his dad is garp and he is the "King/Leader of the revolutionary army"

 

[Bobby Brown]

I never said he defeated him, but he was hyped to be capable of that(alongside Sentoumaru, Pacifistas and Kuma) by himself if he was younger and the fact that even in an old and rusty age(didn't held a sword in a while) he could match Kizaru tends to prove that. Considering that Dragon is by hype weaker than old Whitebeard, who at beast is equal if not inferior to Prime Rayleigh, Dragon loses. Prime Rayleigh has superior hype in this case

Not really; 'cause later on he said that he could've beaten Kizaru and stopped Kuma if he was in his prime. And when you say "he could match Kizaru", that's also wrong because he admitted that due to his old age, he would've became more tired as the fight prolonged.
Therefore, he was never gonna beat Kizaru - even if there were no others, he was going to lose.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Rayleigh by feats
Dragon by hype

I think Rayleigh would win tho

Rayleigh has barely any feats, not enough for assumptions

 

[Hexuze]

Rayleigh has barely any feats, not enough for assumptions

Despite being old & not using his sword for a long time, he was keeping up with an admiral. He also manged to land a small cut on him which even Sabo couldn't even do to fujitora.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Despite being old & not using his sword for a long time, he was keeping up with an admiral. He also manged to land a small cut on him which even Sabo couldn't even do to fujitora.

Sabo is nowhere near admiral level, no rookie is. Even doflamingo is scared shit when he thinks about admirals chasing him down

Rayleigh, being the first mate of Roger, was almost as strong as roger (much like Zoro is =< luffy). But a single feat isn't enough to compare him with the current strongest man in the world (which is Dragon most likely)

 

[Olorin]

Sabo is nowhere near admiral level, no rookie is. Even doflamingo is scared shit when he thinks about admirals chasing him down

Rayleigh, being the first mate of Roger, was almost as strong as roger (much like Zoro is =< luffy). But a single feat isn't enough to compare him with the current strongest man in the world (which is Dragon most likely)

Zoro is < Luffy not <=

 

[shinjojin]

Well this is quite a tough one since we haven't seen any of Dragon's abilities yet.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Zoro is < Luffy not <=

You're underestimating Zoro, swordsmen are the greatest weakness of luffy. Mihawk scared the shit out of luffy during whitebeard war. Luffy has learned haki since then, well so has Zoro