Does anyone else think Naruto is on the wrong side of the moral argument?

[Tennis Robot]

Oh yeah. You know the cycle of hatred isn't actually rooted in the shinobi system, right? The shinobi system was created because of the senseless fighting between clans, with the hope that people would be able to understand each other and coexist. The only reason that people started fighting again was because of things that happened in the time before the shinobi system was created. And their violence only led to more violence...

 

[take it easy]

1. Uchihas did not start any such war. They were hired to fight on the side of an already ongoing war, the same as every other clan including the senju.

I thought that Tobi/obito started 4 shinobi world war.

 

[The Necromancer]

I thought that Tobi/obito started 4 shinobi world war.

You worded it as if they started the 3rd shinobi world war.

 

[Xlad]

What I mean is Naruto's ways of obtaining peace aren't realistic. They are childish and naive, as Pain once said before he got TnJ'd. Sasuke's methods may be arbitrarily cruel but IMO they are more in line with the way the "real world" works in the Narutoverse. We haven't seen much out of the Go-kage that suggest they'd actually go back to not privately chasing down their own petty power struggles and abusing the TB.

Even Hagoromo was worried about the nations using the TB as weapons

The problem is that you are comparing manga world to the real world. The French Revolution has no meaning in a world where ninjas exists.

 

[NukaCola]

Only if they have a death wish.

They already stood against Madara and the Juubi.

 

[The Necromancer]

They already stand against Madara and the Juubi.

So you think the entire world will revolt against a single man? Even the most brutal dictators have followers. Besides, after Naruto would be out of the picture, no one in the world could stand against sasuke.

Besides the fact that the SA was getting anally decimated by what was essentially EMS Madara alone.

 

[Swagdara Uchiha]

You can't possibly predict the future.

Edo Tensei can bring back any number of people who have read the Uchiha tablet, the transmigrants themselves could explain the details, hell, even some toads could tell humanity about the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

And what about the Gedo Mazo? There is still no person with the Chakra that would be able to bring a Colossal being across a Dimension, Hagoromo who gave Naruto and Sasuke the Power ups capable of being on Par with Madara and survive Kaguya had to get help from the spirits of all of the Kage in history just to summon Naruto and Team 7 even after he got his powers back.

Keep in mind that Madara (First person to awaken the MS) and Obito were the only ones aware of the IT in the end and the only ones capable of Reading it due to the MS/EMS/Rinnegan and i'm pretty Sure Madara is done with that and Obito won't even want to go back to that topic. It's pointless telling them about the IT when there is no Gedo Mazo in the world and the Toads know nothing about the IT and why would they even tell something that could pose a giant threat to the world?

 

[The Necromancer]

And what about the Gedo Mazo? There is still no person with the Chakra that would be able to bring a Colossal being across a Dimension, Hagoromo who gave Naruto and Sasuke the Power ups capable of being on Par with Madara and survive Kaguya had to get help from the spirits of all of the Kage in history just to summon Naruto and Team 7 even after he got his powers back.

Keep in mind that Madara (First person to awaken the MS) and Obito were the only ones aware of the IT in the end and the only ones capable of Reading it due to the MS/EMS/Rinnegan and i'm pretty Sure Madara is done with that and Obito won't even want to go back to that topic. It's pointless telling them about the IT when there is no Gedo Mazo in the world and the Toads know nothing about the IT and why would they even tell something that could pose a giant threat to the world?

@Bold: Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, Sakura, Madara, and 9 full sized Bijuu.

One man with the power of both transmigrants and the rinnegan could surely summon the Gedo Mazo without difficulty. If you forgot, Sakura had enough chakra to power up an inches-from-death Obito to jump across multiple dimensions he was not familiar with.

@Underline: Edo Tensei, Genjutsu, Mind Reading. There are multiple ways to recover lost information. Hell, Orochimaru and Kabuto discovered that the Sharingan leads to the Rinnegan without even reading the tablet. Once that is accomplished, it's no large stretch to figure out how IT works.

 

[Kαmi]

I think both Naruto and Sasuke aren't ready to establish peace the way they imagine. They both still have some learning to do, they can learn from each other. But yeah, Naruto is pretty unrealistic about his ideals and plans.

 

[Xlad]

So...yeah











I find this post hypocritical. But then again, it's narutoblitz.

The problem is you guys are comparing manga world to the real world. The French Revolution has no meaning in a world where ninjas exist. Sasuke's methods would lead to increased peace because the TB would be gone. Naruto has absolutely no answer for obtaining peace.

 

[NukaCola]

So you think the entire world will revolt against a single man? Even the most brutal dictators have followers. Besides, after Naruto would be out of the picture, no one in the world could stand against sasuke.

Besides the fact that the SA was getting anally decimated by what was essentially EMS Madara alone.

Black@They made the 4 fourth war just for "Madara"
Red@The SA has already started a war without Naruto
Teal@ and yet, they fought until the end

 

[Genjin]

Only if they have a death wish.

Wtf is with that reasoning?

"Hi, I killed your leaders. Come and join me."

That's like a random criminal killing your own father and forcing you to make him your new father.

 

[The Necromancer]

Black@They made the 4 fourth war just for "Madara"
Red@The SA has already started a war without Naruto
Teal@ and yet, they fought until the end

The world did not want to be in an illusion as a slave. Sasuke is in no way restricting those freedoms. There is no way in hell 100% of the world will be displeased in this system. Even Danzo had a squadron of loyal followers.

Wtf is with that reasoning?

"Hi, I killed your leaders. Come and join me."

That's like a random criminal killing your own father and forcing you to make him your new father.

You act as if Sasuke is a retard. With Naruto and co. dead, he can make up any story he wants.

"Hi, the kage died valiantly fighting Madara, and when they did, I killed him and saved the world." U_U

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

The world did not want to be in an illusion as a slave. Sasuke is in no way restricting those freedoms. There is no way in hell 100% of the world will be displeased in this system. Even Danzo had a squadron of loyal followers.



You act as if Sasuke is a retard. With Naruto and co. dead, he can make up any story he wants.

"Hi, the kage died valiantly fighting Madara, and when they did, I killed him and saved the world." U_U

And you think everyone else will just go with that story....also how will he explain the bijou?? Don't forget B

 

[The Necromancer]

And you think everyone else will just go with that story....also how will he explain the bijou?? Don't forget B

The Bijuu will be gone. Sealed away into a new moon or doing whatever he intends them to do now. Don't ask me, I'm not Sasuke.

There is no reason anyone should doubt this story, and even if they do, the fact is Sasuke just released them from IT alone, so there's no reason not to trust him. As far as the aliance knows, a rogue ninja just came back to the battle after summoning 4 edo Hokage to willingly follow him, which turned the tide of the war instantly.

 

[Swagdara Uchiha]

@Bold: Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, Sakura, Madara, and 9 full sized Bijuu.

One man with the power of both transmigrants and the rinnegan could surely summon the Gedo Mazo without difficulty. If you forgot, Sakura had enough chakra to power up an inches-from-death Obito to jump across multiple dimensions he was not familiar with.

@Underline: Edo Tensei, Genjutsu, Mind Reading. There are multiple ways to recover lost information. Hell, Orochimaru and Kabuto discovered that the Sharingan leads to the Rinnegan without even reading the tablet.

Why would the Transmigrants keep fighting after this? If i recall BZ persuaded the Indras to fight the Asuras in order to awaken the Rinnegan, but all of them failed in the end. The True way to awaken the Rinnegan is only known to Naruto and Sasuke which is Asura and Indra Chakra. Sakura saved Chakra up for three years straight her chakra levels are beyond a normal persons at this point.

Kabu and Orochi assumed, not even Madara knew that he was a transmigrant he just randomly bit Hashirama due to the Tablet (Black Zetsu again) and it worked due to the Asura and Indra chakra not the Senju + Uchiha DNA Which Madara believed was the key to awakening it. Also like i Said only Naruto, Sasuke and Hagoromo know how to awaken the Rinnegan.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

@Bold: Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, Sakura, Madara, and 9 full sized Bijuu.

One man with the power of both transmigrants and the rinnegan could surely summon the Gedo Mazo without difficulty. If you forgot, Sakura had enough chakra to power up an inches-from-death Obito to jump across multiple dimensions he was not familiar with.

@Underline: Edo Tensei, Genjutsu, Mind Reading. There are multiple ways to recover lost information. Hell, Orochimaru and Kabuto discovered that the Sharingan leads to the Rinnegan without even reading the tablet. Once that is accomplished, it's no large stretch to figure out how IT works.

Damn,you make so much sense that it's hard for them to counter.

 

[baah]

being unrealistic is not immoral

 

[The Necromancer]

Why would the Transmigrants keep fighting after this? If i recall BZ persuaded the Indras to fight the Asuras in order to awaken the Rinnegan, but all of them failed in the end. The True way to awaken the Rinnegan is only known to Naruto and Sasuke which is Asura and Indra Chakra. Sakura saved Chakra up for three years straight her chakra levels are beyond a normal persons at this point.

Kabu and Orochi assumed, not even Madara knew that he was a transmigrant he just randomly bit Hashirama due to the Tablet (Black Zetsu again) and it worked due to the Asura and Indra chakra not the Senju + Uchiha DNA Which Madara believed was the key to awakening it. Also like i Said only Naruto, Sasuke and Hagoromo know how to awaken the Rinnegan.

I have already answered this in a past post.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

I'm pretty sure the world isn't going to be happy with the Shinobi's.All the None Shinobi are not going to like that once again the Shinobi had a World War and this time they were forces into it.They are not going to like that after years of fighting absolutely everyone was dragged into their problems.They will want change too.

Who is the guy who was fighting the bad guys to save them?Who will probably stop IT? Who wants to change the Shinobi World and System which cause all this too happen? Sasuke.

Some people act as if no one will agree with Sasuke.