[Theory] The National Treasure.

[Skylar Knight]

Be aware of spoilers.

I, like many others, are under the impression that the Tenryuubito are cruel people. I think this can be said without a shred of doubt. They're unreasonable and seems to lack common sense, yet they've now shown to actually regard something out of value, and that is the so called National Treasure. To me, that doesn't make any sense.

They give away millions, and perhaps billions, of their own currency, the beli, just to buy, for example, a mermaid. Yet, again, they seem to value something. Despite no proof, we can assume that they attained this 'treasure' during the hundred year gap, and that the two hold a deep connection to each other. Again, this is just an assumption on my side, but I find it to be most logical, so I will go in that direction.

However, the majority who ends up with the same train of thought, vaguely points to the last named weapon, the Uranus. There are both arguments for and against this idea, but I'm for one is against it. Personally I find it to be very uncreative, plus, not to mention, illogical. Others point out that it could simply be a poneplyph, which makes more sense, but still leaves me with the taste of uncreativity, but that's just me.

For one, a weapon would not, and I quote, shake the world to its core. As I've mentioned in other threads, it's illogical to think such a thing. Certain countries today could wipe us all out if they so wanted, yet people couldn't care less. You must be quite fragile if such information is all it takes for you to panic. Another argument against it being a weapon is that, yes, it's a weapon, simply as that. If my impression of the Tenryuubito is correct, then they're not capable of having a weapon in their hands. It's like giving a kid a revolver. Not a good idea.

So I'm going in a different direction this time. Whether I'm right or wrong about the following theory doesn't matter, I just want people to see new light every now and then. There's more to One Piece than poneglyphs and weapons. I hate wild guessing, but oh well, here we go. I'm going to keep it very brief.

Was it really a coincidence that the National Treasure and the 'Ageless Surgery' were mentioned in the same speech? I don't think so. The 'Ageless Surgery' must've been used on somone for it to actually be a well known technique, but on who? This is where my theory comes in. Regardless of who it may be, what matters is what affiliation or group this person comes from, and that'd be the Ancient Kingdom. The ruler, an important figure, or just a normal civilian, it doesn't matter.

This very person is kept hostage in Marijois to this very day, because of his (or her) immortality. Whatever reason the Tenryuubito have; getting information out of him, a sign of mockery or punishment, or just simply for the LOLs, it really doesn't matter. Perhaps the prisoner, if he has a high status, is just considered a victory trophy for the Tenryuubito. It'd suit their cruel nature perfectly, in my opinion. For all we know, it could be someone we've heard of before, like Joy Boy.

If this ends up being true, then imagine how tight this person is locked up. After all, this man could be the only living person who knows everything about the hundred year gap, the location of the Ancient Weapons, and the name of the Ancient Kingdom. I'm sure Doflamingo would want all of that, as he's aiming to become the Pirate King. If Dressrosa truly is a parallel to Alabasta, and Doflamingo to Crocodile, it's possible that he wants all three weapons, not just one, unlike Crocodile.

"What's more, if I'd had the power of your Ope Ope no Mi that day, I'd have been able to use the Treasure of Marijois and hold the reins of the world. Such is the power you hold! The ability to transplant even personalities!" - Doflamingo's speech to Law.

If Sea Prism stones, or the same material as the Poneglyphs are made of, are involved in all of this, then there would be no way of getting the prisoner out, unless you had the power of the Ope Ope no Mi. That's all I have to say about this. What do you think? It crossed my mind a couple of days ago, but I didn't have the chance to make a thread about it before now. Thanks for your time.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Nice theory bro

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Be aware of spoilers.

I, like many others, are under the impression that the Tenryuubito are cruel people. I think this can be said without a shred of doubt. They're unreasonable and seems to lack common sense, yet they've now shown to actually regard something out of value, and that is the so called National Treasure. To me, that doesn't make any sense.

They give away millions, and perhaps billions, of their own currency, the beli, just to buy, for example, a mermaid. Yet, again, they seem to value something. Despite no proof, we can assume that they attained this 'treasure' during the hundred year gap, and that the two hold a deep connection to each other. Again, this is just an assumption on my side, but I find it to be most logical, so I will go in that direction.

However, the majority who ends up with the same train of thought, vaguely points to the last named weapon, the Uranus. There are both arguments for and against this idea, but I'm for one is against it. Personally I find it to be very uncreative, plus, not to mention, illogical. Others point out that it could simply be a poneplyph, which makes more sense, but still leaves me with the taste of uncreativity, but that's just me.

For one, a weapon would not, and I quote, shake the world to its core. As I've mentioned in other threads, it's illogical to think such a thing. Certain countries today could wipe us all out if they so wanted, yet people couldn't care less. You must be quite fragile if such information is all it takes for you to panic. Another argument against it being a weapon is that, yes, it's a weapon, simply as that. If my impression of the Tenryuubito is correct, then they're not capable of having a weapon in their hands. It's like giving a kid a revolver. Not a good idea.

So I'm going in a different direction this time. Whether I'm right or wrong about the following theory doesn't matter, I just want people to see new light every now and then. There's more to One Piece than poneglyphs and weapons. I hate wild guessing, but oh well, here we go. I'm going to keep it very brief.

Was it really a coincidence that the National Treasure and the 'Ageless Surgery' were mentioned in the same speech? I don't think so. The 'Ageless Surgery' must've been used on somone for it to actually be a well known technique, but on who? This is where my theory comes in. Regardless of who it may be, what matters is what affiliation or group this person comes from, and that'd be the Ancient Kingdom. The ruler, an important figure, or just a normal civilian, it doesn't matter.

This very person is kept hostage in Marijois to this very day, because of his (or her) immortality. Whatever reason the Tenryuubito have; getting information out of him, a sign of mockery or punishment, or just simply for the LOLs, it really doesn't matter. Perhaps the prisoner, if he has a high status, is just considered a victory trophy for the Tenryuubito. It'd suit their cruel nature perfectly, in ny opinion. For all we know, it could be someone we've heard of before, like Joy Boy.

If this ends up being true, then imagine how tight this person is locked up. After all, this man could be the only living person who knows everything about the hundred year gap, the location of the Ancient Weapons, and the name of the Ancient Kingdom. I'm sure Doflamingo would want all of that, as he's aiming to become the Pirate King. If Dressrosa truly is a parallel to Alabasta, and Doflamingo to Crocodile, it's possible that he wants all three weapons, not just one, unlike Crocodile.

"What's more, if I'd had the power of your Ope Ope no Mi that day, I'd have been able to use the Treasure of Marijois and hold the reins of the world. Such is the power you hold! The ability to transplant even personalities!" - Doflamingo's speech to Law.

If Sea Prism stones, or the same material as the Poneglyphs are made of, are involved in all of this, then there would be no way of getting the prisoner out, unless you had the power of the Ope Ope no Mi. That's all I have to say about this. What do you think? It crossed my mind a couple of days ago, but I didn't have the chance to make a thread about it before now. Thanks for your time.

We do not know if the appearance of the Ancient Weapon Uranus would shake the world or not, just because people in the real world don't freak out to countries possessing nukes doesn't mean that the people in the One Piece world would take it lightly. As seen during the MF War, all the citizens watching shit their pants when it was revealed that Ace was the son of Gol D. Roger and Luffy was the son of Monkey D. Dragon. I think that an Ancient Weapon would be more to worry about than two notorious criminals having sons, especially when one of their sons is about to die. Not to mention their reactions to the WB Pirates attacking, which caused just as much damage as a nuke could.

 

[Skylar Knight]

We do not know if the appearance of the Ancient Weapon Uranus would shake the world or not, just because people in the real world don't freak out to countries possessing nukes doesn't mean that the people in the One Piece world would take it lightly. As seen during the MF War, all the citizens watching shit their pants when it was revealed that Ace was the son of Gol D. Roger and Luffy was the son of Monkey D. Dragon. I think that an Ancient Weapon would be more to worry about than two notorious criminals having sons, especially when one of their sons is about to die. Not to mention their reactions to the WB Pirates attacking, which caused just as much damage as a nuke could.

I don't know about you, but I'd be pretty freaked out if someone attacked my Government, much more than knowing that the latter keeps nukes and deadly weapons in their storage room. I'd also be more surprised if, let's say, Adolf Hitler had a son. Again, how would the existence of a weapon shake the world to its core? Really doesn't make sense to me.

 

[silmarill]

I don't know about you, but I'd be more freaked out if someone attacked my Government than knowing that the latter keeps nukes and deadly weapons in their storage room. I'd also be more surprised if, let's say, Adolf Hitler had a son. How would the existence of a weapon shake the world to its core? Really doesn't make sense.

That's a good point. What's more is that people also know that DF are out there.
Some DF have literally powers that could lay ruin to whole countries and they are just laying somewhere ready to be picked up by the first best person. No one bothers with that.
A weapon indeed sounds like something people would not care about.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I think you're too close-minded about the possibilities of what Uranus can do. The Ancient Weapons don't all have to be nukes, look at Poseidon, all Poseidon can do is talk to and influence the Sea Kings, that's not really anything like a nuke.

Uranus can be something that can cause memory implantation, or teleporting, or memory erasing, or Devil Fruit creation. You said it yourself, if someone used a super dangerous weapon on your government, you'd be pretty rattled. If it was revealed someone was now in possession of a weapon that can cause mass destruction, or erase memories, or teleport, the One Piece world will be pretty shocked, though I don't believe the treasure is the weapon itself unless it's something like the Apple of Eden from the Assassin's Creed franchise. I'm pretty sure it's just some information on the Void Century that details a part of the Void where the people that would become the World Government used one of the weapons to commit something like genocide, or memory alteration, or caused natural disasters to take over the world.

People obviously care about destruction, people were scared of and weary of Whitebeard's power. Marines were visibly distressed when they saw that Whitebeard's powers weren't gone forever.

 

[Cigbeast]

Wow, really great theory

 

[Skylar Knight]

I think you're too close-minded about the possibilities of what Uranus can do. The Ancient Weapons don't all have to be nukes, look at Poseidon, all Poseidon can do is talk to and influence the Sea Kings, that's not really anything like a nuke.

Uranus can be something that can cause memory implantation, or teleporting, or memory erasing, or Devil Fruit creation. You said it yourself, if someone used a super dangerous weapon on your government, you'd be pretty rattled. If it was revealed someone was now in possession of a weapon that can cause mass destruction, or erase memories, or teleport, the One Piece world will be pretty shocked, though I don't believe the treasure is the weapon itself unless it's something like the Apple of Eden from the Assassin's Creed franchise. I'm pretty sure it's just some information on the Void Century that details a part of the Void where the people that would become the World Government used one of the weapons to commit something like genocide, or memory alteration, or caused natural disasters to take over the world.

People obviously care about destruction, people were scared of and weary of Whitebeard's power. Marines were visibly distressed when they saw that Whitebeard's powers weren't gone forever.

Well, not that my biased opinion counts, but I don't think I'm close-minded at all, and I'm really not talking about the things Uranus could possibly do. I'm talking about its existence and how people would react to it. There's a difference between knowing about the weapons and actually getting attacked by one, or just simply witnessing its power from afar. The people wouldn't panic if they found out about a weapon capable of mass destruction, especially if it was in the hands of their own Government, just like you wouldn't panic if your Government had nuclear weapons. The people wouldn't panic if they found out about Uranus, just like they wouldn't panic if they found out about either Shirahoshi or Pluton, the ship. You, or at least I, wouldn't even care if our Government could, for example, alter or erase memory. They probably even can nowadays. That's just the Government being the Government, I guess.

"For I know of an important national treasure of theirs! One whose existence alone, if made known to the world, would shake it to its very core!" - Doflamingo's speech to Law.

Even though you just gave a few examples, them alone wouldn't really 'shake the world to its very core'. Sugar's ability can both alter and erase memories. Blueno and Law's abilities can both be considered that of teleportation, at least to some extent. Doflamingo is already creating Devil Fruits, although it's not yet complete. Doflamingo wouldn't mention an 'important national treasure' if it was in any way similar to these examples, or so I think.

But, yeah, I know that wasn't your point. I'm just implying that there are dozens of Devil Fruits that could cause destruction or play with people's minds and bodies, like Silmarill mentioned. Two examples, that we've witnessed in this arc, is both Sugar and Doflamingo's abilities. Knowing about their abilities wouldn't cause the world to panic, and knowing about an even greater weapon wouldn't make their reaction any worse. Maybe I'm being stubborn about this, but that's really what I think.

I'm also interested in hearing what you have to say about my theory, though, not just my little rant about the Uranus in the first few paragraphs.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I don't think I'm close-minded at all, and, and I'm not talking about what it can do. I'm talking about its existence and how people would react to it. There's a difference between knowing about the weapons and actually getting attacked by one, or just simply witnessing its power from afar. The people wouldn't panic if they found out about Uranus, especially if it was in the hands of their own Government, just like you wouldn't panic if your Government had nuclear weapons. You, or at least I, wouldn't even care if my Government could, for example, alter or erase memory. They probably even can nowadays. That's just the Government being the Government, I guess.

"For I know of an important national treasure of theirs! One whose existence alone, if made known to the world, would shake it to its very core!" - Doflamingo's speech to Law.

Even though you just gave a few examples, them alone wouldn't really 'shake the world to its very core'. Sugar's ability can both alter and erase memories. Blueno and Law's abilities can both be considered that of teleportation, at least to some extent. Doflamingo is already creating Devil Fruits, although it's not yet complete. Doflamingo wouldn't mention an 'important national treasure' if it was in any way similar to these examples, or so I think.

But, yeah, I know that wasn't your point. I'm just implying that there are dozens of Devil Fruits that could cause destruction or play with people's minds and bodies, like Silmarill mentioned. Two examples, that we've witnessed in this arc, is both Sugar and Doflamingo's abilities. Knowing about their abilities wouldn't cause the world to panic, and knowing about an even greater weapon wouldn't make their reaction any worse. Maybe I'm being stubborn about this, but that's really what I think.

I'm also interested in hearing what you have to say about my theory, though, not just my little rant about the Uranus in the first few paragraphs.

You're forgetting that citizens in One Piece overreact WAY to much over most news.

 

[Skylar Knight]

You're forgetting that citizens in One Piece overreact WAY to much over most news.

I am not forgetting that in the slightest. It's a manga and people are supposed to overreact, to create a so called 'dramatic air' around the situation. It'd be somewhat boring if every news reporter, citizens, etc, reacted the same way we do. The only thing to see would be blank expressions everywhere. That's just the way Oda makes his manga, but that doesn't mean they're going to start crawling into corners if they ever hear news about the weapons of ancient.

I can point out numerous situation where certain characters overreact over the simplest things, while they don't even flinch under scary or surprising moments. I can also point out that the 'human weapons', the Pacifistas, were accepted by the masses like it was nothing. I would've understood it if the weapons were used against them, or if they heard news of a pirate using the weapons of ancient, but when your own Government is under the possession of something like that, it really shouldn't make you panic.

 

[WhistleBlower]

I love the idea of joy-boy knowing the entire world history but whats the point of Robins character then?

Also if there is a person being locked up, the only known place to us is Impel Down and Luffy broke through it helping many high profile criminals escape.

Apart from that this was a good read ​

 

[ultraChalk]

This is an amazing idea. I wouldn't mind it being a weapon (though honestly it would be a bit dull, but Oda would spice it up somehow) or a poneglyph (which seems more interesting than a weapon), but I would especially like it if this were the case. That would be very interesting, and if Robin wanted to free that person I can easily see Luffy going to hells end to invade Marijois and rescue them. Maybe a new member?

And also, I totally agree with what you said about them not having a weapon. As bipolar and easily provoked as they are, there's no way they could contain a weapon like that and not have already used it to destroy a couple countries. It would be exactly like giving a child a gun, they're too immature to handle it.

 

[ultraChalk]

I love the idea of joy-boy knowing the entire world history but whats the point of Robins character then?

Also if there is a person being locked up, the only known place to us is Impel Down and Luffy broke through it helping many high profile criminals escape.​

1) To decipher the poneglyphs until they meet him? There's no way she's going to independently discover the whole past.

2) Yeah there's impel down, but I don't see the 10ryubito easily handing over a hostage like that. They'd prefer to keep them in their own hands, like op said to possibly torture and mock.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Why would Joy Boy shake the world to its core?

 

[WhistleBlower]

1) To decipher the poneglyphs until they meet him? There's no way she's going to independently discover the whole past.

2) Yeah there's impel down, but I don't see the 10ryubito easily handing over a hostage like that. They'd prefer to keep them in their own hands, like op said to possibly torture and mock.

1. Its possible

2. Where would they keep him ? In marejois?

 

[ultraChalk]

1. Its possible

2. Where would they keep him ? In marejois?

Yeah. I'm sure they have their own super upgraded version of Impel Down.

but hey idk

 

[Skylar Knight]

Why would Joy Boy shake the world to its core?

It always depends on what they did to him. I'd be pretty surprised if my country's had a prisoner of war for over nine hundred years, and perhaps tortured and toyed with him, just to gain some information out of the poor guy. I'd also be surprised if we found out he was originally the king or a high figure of a country that once was in a war with us, nine hundred years ago, but is now secretly under chains in, for example, the White House.

I don't know about you, but I'd probably lose a lot of respect/trust in my government. There's been wars and revolutions for less.

1. Its possible

2. Where would they keep him ? In marejois?

It's not that hard to just put him in a building, you know. They don't need a huge prison or gigantic cell. For all we know, he could be inside a poneglyph there, or something similar, but since he's immortal, he just won't die out of starvation or dehydration.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

How would Doflamingo revealing Joyboy to the world allow him to take over the world?

 

[Skylar Knight]

How would Doflamingo revealing Joyboy to the world allow him to take over the world?

"What's more, if I'd had the power of your Ope Ope no Mi that day, I'd have been able to use the Treasure of Marijois and hold the reins of the world. Such is the power you hold! The ability to transplant even personalities!" - Doflamingo's speech to Law.

Actually, he's talking about using the treasure, not just revealing it to the world. Using it would help him, and I quote, hold the reins of the world. If Joy Boy, or whoever the prisoner is, knows where the Ancient Weapons are located, then, well, it speaks for itself. Joy Boy could also know the secret to reach Raftel, but what do I know. I think Doflamingo needs all the information he can get.

There's barely been any hints or clues to what the National Treasure is, so my theory is basically just wild guessing. The most we can do is guess and guess, 'til something else is revealed about it.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

"What's more, if I'd had the power of your Ope Ope no Mi that day, I'd have been able to use the Treasure of Marijois and hold the reins of the world. Such is the power you hold! The ability to transplant even personalities!" - Doflamingo's speech to Law.

Actually, he's talking about using the treasure, not just revealing it to the world. Using it would help him, and I quote, hold the reins of the world. If Joy Boy, or whoever the prisoner is, knows where the Ancient Weapons are located, then, well, it speaks for itself. Joy Boy could also know the secret to reach Raftel, but what do I know. I think Doflamingo needs all the information he can get.

There's barely been any hints or clues to what the National Treasure is, so my theory is basically just wild guessing. The most we can do is guess and guess, 'til something else is revealed about it.

I doubt that Joyboy would just reveal important information like that to someone he doesn't even know. If anything he would realize that Doflamingo is just as corrupt as every other Celestial Dragon and refuse to tell him the location of the AWs and Raftel.