2nd Mizukage Vs Tobirama
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Tobirama wins this
--Now that tobirama has the edos, he destroys the clam through GKF, and therefore ends the genjutsu, he doesnt need to locate the clam when he has the firepower with large AOE to take the clam out
--his edos alongside his KB and kunais allow him to enhance his use of FTG even more
--Once the clam is out, Mizukage gets blown up through GKFx2 which not only shits on his joki boy which can evaded by FTG but GKF attack nature also renders his liquifying useless
--Now that tobirama has the edos, he destroys the clam through GKF, and therefore ends the genjutsu, he doesnt need to locate the clam when he has the firepower with large AOE to take the clam out
--his edos alongside his KB and kunais allow him to enhance his use of FTG even more
--Once the clam is out, Mizukage gets blown up through GKFx2 which not only shits on his joki boy which can evaded by FTG but GKF attack nature also renders his liquifying useless
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Tobirama wipes the floor with him.
Nidaime Mizukage's fighting style revolves around he himself not actually engaging the opponent in battle. His first defensive; Shinkirō (genjutsu) is countered hard by Tobirama's sensing. At any point in time, Tobirama should be capable of locating Nidaime Mizukage and putting him down with Hiraishingiri, which the 2nd Mizukage definitely can't react to (esp while weakened). Trollkage's second defense; Jōki Bōi also falls short of taking down the opposition. Hiraishin allows Tobirama to both outmaneuver the clone, and the hale explosion that follows it.
Tobirama bypasses Trollkage's countermeasures, senses him, and takes him down comfortably.
Nidaime Mizukage's fighting style revolves around he himself not actually engaging the opponent in battle. His first defensive; Shinkirō (genjutsu) is countered hard by Tobirama's sensing. At any point in time, Tobirama should be capable of locating Nidaime Mizukage and putting him down with Hiraishingiri, which the 2nd Mizukage definitely can't react to (esp while weakened). Trollkage's second defense; Jōki Bōi also falls short of taking down the opposition. Hiraishin allows Tobirama to both outmaneuver the clone, and the hale explosion that follows it.
Tobirama bypasses Trollkage's countermeasures, senses him, and takes him down comfortably.
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- How would he know the real clam to destroy to begin with?
and yes he does need to locate it, as his AOE is obviously not as large as an entire army with 2 kages with them.
- How do you know that the Mizukage who defeated all those fodders in the war can't handle one weakened fodder? Lol
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you know that the Mizukage can't be sensed when using that Genjutsu right? Lol
and you know that the Mizukage's body is made from water and oil and a Kunai won't do anything
to him whatsoever, right?
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Trollkage wins.
-Only CONTACT sensing works against the Mizukage's clam. Tobirama's sensing is not going to work,
-Tobirama has zero intel on the Mizukage's genjutsu nor it's mechanics. As a result, in the short period that Tobirama tries to work out what is going on(even when he explained it to the alliance, they still struggled to figure it out) he ends up with a water gun in his skull.
-Only CONTACT sensing works against the Mizukage's clam. Tobirama's sensing is not going to work,
-Tobirama has zero intel on the Mizukage's genjutsu nor it's mechanics. As a result, in the short period that Tobirama tries to work out what is going on(even when he explained it to the alliance, they still struggled to figure it out) he ends up with a water gun in his skull.
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because the clam isnt soo far away from the mist that it releases, otherwise its effect wont be as much
GKF can simply be used near the clams and would blow up the real clam with ease,
Because mizukage is not landing a hit on tobiramas edos, due to the fact that they will just evade his attacks through FTG with ease
not to mention that those fodders didnt have any powerful techniques at all, and mizukage beating them means nothing but shit
these edos have GKF which blows the mizukage up
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The 2nd Mizukage's explosion jutsu is easily evaded with Hiraishin lol, and Tobirama is a genius. He disperses shadow clones and GKF spamming edo's around the general area which eventually locates the real clam, and probably catches Trollkage in an explosion as well.
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The same thing was in the War, although the real one may or may not be near to them, but the Genjutsu is going to be
far away from it, and that's why an entire army couldn't have even a lucky hit despite 2 kages with them, and the Mizukage was telling them about it as well. Here Tobirama does not even know that it's a genjutsu to begin with.
- Except the Edo does not have have FTG, and if Tobirama focused on controlling them and teleporting them, then he won't get away. Not to mention they won't even know where the attack is coming from because they will only try to avoid the mirage Mizukage's attack, while the real one will be attacking froma whole different direction. Lol
- lol, an entire army has no attacks? Tobirama couldn't even handle have those fodders when he was alive. :heh:
the Mizukage has Joki boy, which is also a countless explosion attacks. hmm
Not really, that only apply to Hashirama and Minato at this point.
- but the jutsu will keep coming back again, and again, and will never stop. Lol
Tobirama can't run forever, controlling the Edo, and teleporting them and avoiding and cutting his chakra in halves all at the same time!
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Yeah, the jutsu continues forever until the real clam is caught in a GKF explosion. Also, he doesn't have to waste chakra teleporting his edo's, they'll just reform if taken out considering Nidaime Mizukage has no way to permanently put them down. As far as chakra reserves are concerned, he is a senju who's chakra was so potent and vast that simply rousing it could pressurize everyone in the vicinity. He should be able to spam jutsu all day if he so well pleases lol.
1- the problem here is Tobirama has no way of knowing it. XD
Not to mention I was not talking about the genjutsu, but Joki boy. lol
2- but his ET will take so much time to regenerate + If he's going to make them explode carelessly, wouldn't he die as well if he's any where near them? Lol
3- Nah, Tobirama used the barrier and 2 clones, and he was already in a sorry state, he just was lucky because he's an ET. Lol
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Lol,The same thing was in the War, although the real one may or may not be near to them, but the Genjutsu is going to be
far away from it, and that's why an entire army couldn't have even a lucky hit despite 2 kages with them, and the Mizukage was telling them about it as well. Here Tobirama does not even know that it's a genjutsu to begin with.
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, only the fodders struggled against it, and
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whether the genjutsu is far from it or not, doesnt matter since GKF will not only blow the mist away,
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would easily affect the clam, and destroy the mizukage, if one GKF isnt enough, then tobirama can use GKF again, and destroy the clam, and the mizukage
not to mention that the starting distance of 45m means that the clam would already be within the range of the jutsu, and the fact that the jutsu will also blow the surrounding mist, away,, would alllow tobirama to destroy it with ease
@Bold - Lol, the edos are controlled by tobirama, meaning that there is already the chakra link that allows tobirama to use FTG, or Tobirama can just tag them, and use FTG to enable them to evade water bullets or Joki Boy
furthermore the edos and tobirama would be easily able to tell where the attacks are coming from,
mizukage is not even landing a single blow on him, tobiramas reflexes are also high enough to evade mizuakges blows with utmost ease, and going by your premise, if the real one tries to attack then tobirama can pinpoint the location where the attacks come from and use GKF to blow the mizuakage up
the usual tobirama hate, Lol
this doesnt apply here, nor does the ABC logic work here,
Joki Boy is utmost fodder infront of GKF,
not to mention that
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and would be a sitting duck for Tobirama to blow up,and the fact that tobirama has FTG means that he can evade Joki Boy, and then land a GKF to wreck the mizukage and counter his joki boy
IF Tobirama has edos then hes superior to Muu and second mizukage so it will apply to him as well
Too bad Tobirama can't control the sand, now can he? Lol
nor does he have any large AOE jutsu that is not killing him. Also, you do know that the Mizukage was telling them
about his jutsus, and weaknesses, right?
The mirage makes a false Mizukage that is far away from the real deal. It's useless if he blow up the mirage.
you're just assuming that Tobirama would know about the clam, and he will just so happen to attack the real one
rather than the genjutsu, even though he can't see or sense the real deal!
45m is a starting distance, that does not mean it will remain as such the whole time, and if Tobirama did right away, he will die as well from the explosion.
let's assume that (even though I don't know why would he care about ET's safety) but anyway, he will just lose chakra by doing so..
how so?
That's great an all, except he's not going to know from where the attacks are coming from, he will just dodge a mirage.
it will be too late. U_U
Do you mean Kishi hates Tobirama so much?
because I did not draw this chapter lol
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or this
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who so, when they do the same thing? That fodder jutsu destroyed a jinton user.
again, you're ignoring the Genjutsu, and did not provide ANY counter to it at all. :heh:
Not really, Tobirama in the manga has ET as well, yet he got defeated from kin/gin even though he was with his 6 students. Also, Tobirama can't control a lot of people, while Mu stated that the SA can't do anything to him without Onoki
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Pretty sure those around Gaara and Onoki are more than 20. :dunno:
Tobirama stomps. He doesn't even need to know where the Clam is, he just sets off his Edo anywhere he likes and the explosion would probably find the Clam considering it's massive blast radius, while the Mizukage has no way of landing a touch on Tobirama.
Tobirama low-mid diff.
Tobirama low-mid diff.
