3rd Raikage vs Kisame

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And you're the same guy who made a thread stating that most Akatsuki members are Jounin level.

stahp the wank, you know that the 3rd isn't just going to instantly get up after getting hit with a Daikodan. Kisame can easily make a Suiton Bunshin to pursue the Daikodan until it stops and then use Water Prison on the 3rd once he's down. The fact that this is a cave makes this battle 10X easier for Kisame.

He brushed off Kyuubi Rasenshuriken while in a weakened state and without even guarding against it. A blunt force blast of water is doing nothing to him, and yes, he tanks it if not plowing through it like a juggernaut and ends Kisame.
 

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3rd raikage is massively underrated
 

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3rd raikage is massively underrated
Lol, not at all. I see many people praising and support the Raikage. People like Kitsuchi, Kakazu, Base Kakashi and Konan are underrated as all hell.

That list can be tripled.
 
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Lol, not at all. I see many people praising and support the Raikage. People like Kitsuchi, Kakazu, Base Kakashi and Konan are underrated to all hell.

Only person underrated of them are Kituschi. He kills all the Akatsuki with Juubi Sized Mountain Sandwhich bar Obito and Nagato but no one talks about him much on these forms.
 

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IIRC, the 3rd Raikage has no speed feats suggesting he is faster then chakra shrouded Bee; which Kisame and Samehada were outmaneuvering quite easily. With that being said, every time the Sandaime comes within Samehada's absorption range; his lighting armor gets absorbed; which pretty much nulls the nukite and any major threat Kisame is faced with. I don't know what else is there to say, TAC. Kisame drained the Hachibi and Bee of nearly all their chakra, and should not have too much trouble replicating the same feat against the 3rd Raikage who has roughly the same chakra pool. If things get sticky somehow, there is always other tactics Kisame can utilize too, obviously.

Now bro bro... You know damn well when It comes to this Raikage Shit im the best on the site! haha

Like KG explained shortly, unless Water dome is used off bat Kisame loses! Simple. Why?

Thanks to the lightning release Body Flicker he can blitz anyone (whether he hits them or not doesn't matter). Now to make it simple; Even if Sama' absorbs the Raiton Shroud, he doesn't null the affects the shroud already gave him. For example:

A moving truck going 100MPH runs straight into a building. What will then happen to the Energy plus force from the truck? All of the force with the speed plus the sudden stop will send the Mass and energy produced into the wall. Most likely resulting in the wall having a hole in it. To put it simple ofcourse, but if you know newtons laws you get what im saying.

Newton's second law

Explanation of Newton's second law, using gravity as an example. (MIT OCW)[15]
The second law states that the net force on an object is equal to the rate of change (that is, the derivative) of its linear momentum p in an inertial reference frame:

\mathbf{F} = \frac{\mathrm{d}\mathbf{p}}{\mathrm{d}t} = \frac{\mathrm{d}(m\mathbf v)}{\mathrm{d}t}.
The second law can also be stated in terms of an object's acceleration. Since Newton's second law is only valid for constant-mass systems,[16][17][18] mass can be taken outside the differentiation operator by the constant factor rule in differentiation. Thus,

\mathbf{F} = m\,\frac{\mathrm{d}\mathbf{v}}{\mathrm{d}t} = m\mathbf{a},
where F is the net force applied, m is the mass of the body, and a is the body's acceleration. Thus, the net force applied to a body produces a proportional acceleration. In other words, if a body is accelerating, then there is a force on it.

Consistent with the first law, the time derivative of the momentum is non-zero when the momentum changes direction, even if there is no change in its magnitude; such is the case with uniform circular motion. The relationship also implies the conservation of momentum: when the net force on the body is zero, the momentum of the body is constant. Any net force is equal to the rate of change of the momentum.

Any mass that is gained or lost by the system will cause a change in momentum that is not the result of an external force. A different equation is necessary for variable-mass systems (see below).

Newton's second law requires modification if the effects of special relativity are to be taken into account, because at high speeds the approximation that momentum is the product of rest mass and velocity is not accurate.

Impulse
An impulse J occurs when a force F acts over an interval of time Δt, and it is given by[19][20]

\mathbf{J} = \int_{\Delta t} \mathbf F \,\mathrm{d}t .
Since force is the time derivative of momentum, it follows that

\mathbf{J} = \Delta\mathbf{p} = m\Delta\mathbf{v}.
This relation between impulse and momentum is closer to Newton's wording of the second law.[21]

Impulse is a concept frequently used in the analysis of collisions and impacts.[22]

Variable-mass systems
Main article: Variable-mass system
Variable-mass systems, like a rocket burning fuel and ejecting spent gases, are not closed and cannot be directly treated by making mass a function of time in the second law;[17] that is, the following formula is wrong:[18]

\mathbf{F}_\mathrm{net} = \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}t}\big[m(t)\mathbf{v}(t)\big] = m(t) \frac{\mathrm{d}\mathbf{v}}{\mathrm{d}t} + \mathbf{v}(t) \frac{\mathrm{d}m}{\mathrm{d}t}. \qquad \mathrm{(wrong)}
The falsehood of this formula can be seen by noting that it does not respect Galilean invariance: a variable-mass object with F = 0 in one frame will be seen to have F ≠ 0 in another frame.[16] The correct equation of motion for a body whose mass m varies with time by either ejecting or accreting mass is obtained by applying the second law to the entire, constant-mass system consisting of the body and its ejected/accreted mass; the result is[16]

\mathbf F + \mathbf{u} \frac{\mathrm{d} m}{\mathrm{d}t} = m {\mathrm{d} \mathbf v \over \mathrm{d}t}
where u is the velocity of the escaping or incoming mass relative to the body. From this equation one can derive the equation of motion for a varying mass system, for example, the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation. Under some conventions, the quantity u dm/dt on the left-hand side, which represents the advection of momentum, is defined as a force (the force exerted on the body by the changing mass, such as rocket exhaust) and is included in the quantity F. Then, by substituting the definition of acceleration, the equation becomes F = ma.

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It is a fact that even though Sama' could absorb a shit load of chakra, it didn't stop the force Of Bee's Lariat attack. This is non disputable. He can keep absorbing all he wants to, no matter how much he can store he will never be able to stop the force of 3rd Raikages Attacks nor the speed he gained before the shroud was removed. Plus the fact the 3rd could just turn the shroud off right before impact to save his chakra from being absorbed.

In short, Kisame has no answer for what the armor grants with the amount of power and force put behind the 3rd. It is simple and easy to knock Samahada out of kisames hand once he see the first time what happens to his armor, then it's Smooth sailing with a hole in kisames chest or his head sliced smooth off!
 

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raikage wins.

-he effing electrocutes the whole water dome w/ bijuu level chakra if for some reaso the fight gets that far{INb4fusion=pretapath
-he mercs Kisame in CQC, more likely. he would kill or disarm samehada faster tan gai did.
-daikodan is dodged just like every other jutsu kisame can try
-if 4 some reason kisame merges w/ sword immediately?...he still gets stomped in CQC by raikage!!

...and while rai'ton armor can be partially absorbed, but hell stab/laser chop still an active nin-taijutsu that can be done in the melee & with either/both hands.
--its not merely an external armor, rather its an ebbing & flowing, stop & go insta-boost to suit the particular CQC situation

and finally, unrestricted Bee would beat Kisame w/ full trans. whirlwind & full power laser-dama
 
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Now bro bro... You know damn well when It comes to this Raikage Shit im the best on the site! haha

Like KG explained shortly, unless Water dome is used off bat Kisame loses! Simple. Why?

Thanks to the lightning release Body Flicker he can blitz anyone (whether he hits them or not doesn't matter). Now to make it simple; Even if Sama' absorbs the Raiton Shroud, he doesn't null the affects the shroud already gave him. For example:

A moving truck going 100MPH runs straight into a building. What will then happen to the Energy plus force from the truck? All of the force with the speed plus the sudden stop will send the Mass and energy produced into the wall. Most likely resulting in the wall having a hole in it. To put it simple ofcourse, but if you know newtons laws you get what im saying.



Basically as shown here:

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It is a fact that even though Sama' could absorb a shit load of chakra, it didn't stop the force Of Bee's Lariat attack. This is non disputable. He can keep absorbing all he wants to, no matter how much he can store he will never be able to stop the force of 3rd Raikages Attacks nor the speed he gained before the shroud was removed. Plus the fact the 3rd could just turn the shroud off right before impact to save his chakra from being absorbed.

In short, Kisame has no answer for what the armor grants with the amount of power and force put behind the 3rd. It is simple and easy to knock Samahada out of kisames hand once he see the first time what happens to his armor, then it's Smooth sailing with a hole in kisames chest or his head sliced smooth off!

Lol, word bro.
I understand that absorbing the lightning shroud won't stop Sandaime's momentum, but without the penetrative power of his nukite; I don't see Kisame being taken down, given his durability, pain resistance, and healing capabilites. Furthermore, if he ever feels the need, he can simply summon the WD just like he did to Bee.

What are the Sandaime's speed feats anyways? Just curious.

Sure, he can knock Samehada out of Kisames hands... unfortunately, that doesn't make a difference when the sword can simply make it's way back in Kisame's grasp. And if the threat of the Sandaime attempting to separate the two ever occurs, Kisame can simply partly fuse with Samehada so that the sword is just an extension of his own arm. Man, Kisame has so much more to offer too. The Raikage is just too simple.
 
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