Yet another beheading. What's the world going to do about ISIS?

[Gintõki1]

the ISIS was created by the US and its allies to justify armed intervention in syria and iran. we'll see ISIS' collapse when iran and syria fall.

^This.
Spreading bs through the media that ISIS is a danger to the whole world. lol
Even a 5 year old kid can see that this is another shit made up by USA.

 

[Lady M]

Just today in my City (Mississuaga, Ontario), a young man was trying convert people to join ISIS. This is awful!

 

[Ashflura]

@Aim64C: What is exactly your standpoint? You give enough time to describe the hearts of soldiers in Iraq, but neglect to share that Muslims are human too.

 

[Aømine]

Aim64c is the typical dumbass american that thinks his government and soldiers are doing the right thing.

Who gives you the right to say what is allowed and what not in this "modern age"?
Can't believe there is another person that posts so much ridiculous stuff as USSJ Trunks on this base.
You should better know the religion you have a hate against before talking nonsense that has nothing to do with it.

I'm against any religion and against people that use it as a thing to cause war, but this has nothing to do with it.
It's again the american way to get in a country steal their shit and then in the end look like the heroes that saved the country and people.

 

[Sjhsgjhsgjshjshjsh]

This is not entirely true.

The only people who are innocent are those who are following the commands of Allah's Prophet. All of the other people are continually in a state of blaspheme.


You have to understand that Muslims see the rest of the world as not just 'doomed' - but downright damned by God. God has commanded them to show mercy by giving them the opportunity to convert - but those who would reject God's grace must be destroyed.

Its true that muslims believe that heaven is for the believers ,but that doesn't say in any way attack/kill the non believers.Everyone has a choice and if they chose to not believe Its their choice and they don't get killed/judged for that by a mere human but by god (means:not going to heaven).

Like i said real islam is only in Quran and the prophet Hadith

And in Quran it clearly says

- people has the choice To be faithless
-fight who only fights you and not to invade

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"Say, "O you faithless
I do not serve what you serve;
Nor will you serve what I serve;
Nor will I serve what you serve;
Nor will you serve what I serve;
To you be your religion, and to me my religion"
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"Fight in the Cause of Allah with those who fight you, but transgress not the limits (or begin not hostilities); verily, Allah loves not those who aggressors.
Albaqra -190

What you have said describe the ISIS people not the Islam itself.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Not my concern.

Basically this.

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

^This.
Spreading bs through the media that ISIS is a danger to the whole world. lol
Even a 5 year old kid can see that this is another shit made up by USA.

Right. Cause at that age the kid wouldn't understand about the issue of ISIS and most be just repeating what Daddy or mammy said.
Anyone that thinks thinks this "shit is made up" are just delusional and don't know how to handle the facts.

Aim64c is the typical dumbass american that thinks his government and soldiers are doing the right thing.

Who gives you the right to say what is allowed and what not in this "modern age"?
Can't believe there is another person that posts so much ridiculous stuff as USSJ Trunks on this base.
You should better know the religion you have a hate against before talking nonsense that has nothing to do with it.

I'm against any religion and against people that use it as a thing to cause war, but this has nothing to do with it.
It's again the american way to get in a country steal their shit and then in the end look like the heroes that saved the country and people.

How original,insulting someone by calling them a "dumbass American " cause you can't handle the truth.

 

[Aim64C]

Aim64c is the typical dumbass american that thinks his government and soldiers are doing the right thing.

Perhaps you should re-read my post.

American soldiers tend to do their best to do things the right way. Even if what they are commanded to do is the wrong thing to be done.

The way I looked at my service was very simple. I do not get to decide where we go, who we attack, or what justification we use for it. I can agree with it - or I can disagree with it. It matters little as to what I must do.

What I can choose to do, however, is how to go about carrying out those orders. I can make sure our equipment is accurate - so that the munitions fired by the systems I work on are accurate so that there are fewer stray rounds. I can protect, even shield a family caught in an exchange of fire. I can try to make the best out of every order given.

You will find I am a very strong critic of our government and its foreign policies. I'm most closely aligned with Libertarian philosophies and I believe that our military should be almost completely done away with and our arms/defense sectors opened to the free market. If a business wants us to protect their shipping lanes - we've got a company contracting those services with a wide range of solutions. If a country wants the experience of Americans to consult on their defenses - we have companies who do that. If they want defense services - there are contractors willing to fill that job.

The free market handles military foreign policy quite well.

The only thing our military is necessary for is defense. Our force projection will handle itself through the market. The 'nation' needs to be making no decisions regarding whether or not to support rebels, whether or not to topple a regime, etc. We may have a department that contracts intelligence reports regularly from a few of the companies with intel assets abroad - but that should be the extent of our national interest in foreign affairs.

War is business - so let our companies and other countries handle that business. Out government shouldn't be involved.

Who gives you the right to say what is allowed and what not in this "modern age"?

Survival.

When a group of people show up and command you to let them have control over your property, your family, and your future... it doesn't take some grand moral paradigm shift to reason that they are using you as a slave to serve their own selfish ends.

Perhaps you believe that morality is subjective enough to allow that to be correct under 'certain circumstances.' That the people under that system have somehow 'chosen' to 'live that way.'

Call me an ass - but I reject that notion and will destroy anyone who attempts to declare himself lord over my children.

Can't believe there is another person that posts so much ridiculous stuff as USSJ Trunks on this base.
You should better know the religion you have a hate against before talking nonsense that has nothing to do with it.

Oh, tell me all that you know of Islam.

This should get interesting.

I'm against any religion and against people that use it as a thing to cause war, but this has nothing to do with it.
It's again the american way to get in a country steal their shit and then in the end look like the heroes that saved the country and people.

What is there to steal from these nations?

We've sunk trillions of dollars worth of assets into the country over the last several years. There is absolutely no means by which the U.S. could recover the economic investment in Iraq within the next three decades. We could take every physical asset currently there, and it wouldn't even put a dent in what we've invested.

The only thing that would promise any kind of return would be to invest MORE into the region to develop mines for rare earth metals and other minerals that various surveys have indicated are likely to exist throughout the Middle East. And that wouldn't pay off for another 30 years or more. And certainly not be considered 'equivalent' to the investment placed into the nation.

What -have- we stolen from these nations - other than a totalitarian government (that was at least keeping these whack-jobs under control)?

You see - when you actually open up a history book, young one, and begin to read about things - you'll understand that the world is a very brutal place and there are very inconvenient truths to the world that have been veiled with very promising lies.

One of them is that Islam is a religion of peace.

Open up the history book. Study not just the Koran - but the whole of Islamic texts. You'll find that, while it is nice to believe that all religions are 'valid' and 'good' - that they all should 'coexist' - it is just not realistic.

Its true that muslims believe that heaven is for the believers ,but that doesn't say in any way attack/kill the non believers.Everyone has a choice and if they chose to not believe Its their choice and they don't get killed/judged for that by a mere human but by god (means:not going to heaven).

God has already judged them and given the command to his followers.

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"

Like i said real islam is only in Quran and the prophet Hadith

And in Quran it clearly says

- people has the choice To be faithless
-fight who only fights you and not to invade

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"Say, "O you faithless
I do not serve what you serve;
Nor will you serve what I serve;
Nor will I serve what you serve;
Nor will you serve what I serve;
To you be your religion, and to me my religion"
Al kafiroon

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"Fight in the Cause of Allah with those who fight you, but transgress not the limits (or begin not hostilities); verily, Allah loves not those who aggressors.
Albaqra -190

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

He may as well have just said: "God commands you to lay roadside bombs."

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."


Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"


Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

"But I clearly quoted peaceful passages"

2:106 "Whatever of Our revelations We repeal or cause to be forgotten, We will replace them with something superior or comparable. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things? Do you not know that Allah reigns sovereign over the heavens and earth and besides Him you have no protector or helper? Would you question your messenger as Moses was questioned in his time? Those who exchange their faith for disbelief have gone astray from the right path."

16:101 "When We exchange one verse for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals, they say, 'You are making this up.' Most of them do not understand."

As it is written.

When two verses are in conflict, the later written verse is the more correct verse and that which the Muslim is commanded to follow.

Now - do we need to get to the Hadith?

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

I can continue.

But you get the point.

What you have said describe the ISIS people not the Islam itself.

No, ISIS describes Islam, itself.

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@Aim64C: What is exactly your standpoint? You give enough time to describe the hearts of soldiers in Iraq, but neglect to share that Muslims are human too.

My standpoint, if you had the stomach for it, is a very clear one to discern.

Islam is an ideology built upon the framework of military conquest and forced subjugation - the likes of which most modern people do not understand.

In the U.S. - we claim that the 'police are oppressive.' We complain that 'our society is male dominated.'

Sentiments that are hilariously stupid and adorable within the context of human history. That these sentiments exist is a testament to the equality that has been established and the prosperity that must exist to allow for such complacency.

It means, however, that our society is completely ill-prepared to deal with the rationale of a centuries-old ideology that is willing to view men and women in accordance with their raw reproductive function. Entire cultures were destroyed by Islam because the men were slaughtered and the women forced to bear children to Muslim men. Some of them have been lost to history.

If you value your freedom. If you value the future of your children. You will prepare yourself for war with this ideology - because it declared war on all of us centuries before we were born. And it is no longer sleeping.

 

[Anorien16]

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A 21-year-old British medical student, who goes by the name of Mujahidah Bint Usama on Twitter, has shocked everyone by posting a picture wherein she can be seen with a severed head in her hand as two children look on.

The young radical Briton is believed to be working along with the Islamic State militants in Syria and her Twitter name Mujahidah Bint Usama appears to be an assumed identity to reflect her affiliation to Islamic State and its jihadist ideology.

In the Tweet, Bint Usama claims to be a doctor for the Islamic group based in Raqqa, Syria. Her Twitter account @Irhabiyyah since then has been suspended.

In the picture, the medical student can be seen wearing a full burqa and white lab coat, while holding the head of a middle-aged man. On the left, two boys can be seen standing beside her. Along with the image @Irhabiyyah also posted a message saying: "Dream job, a terrorist doc," followed by smiley and heart emojis.

The Daily Mail citing the The Sunday Telegraph confirmed that Mujahidah Bint Usama, who posted the gruesome picture, is a 21-year-old British medical student. Her real identity, however, is yet to be revealed.

Her name -- Mujahidah Bint Usama- suggests that it's an adopted name that reflects the 21-year old girl's jihadi ideology. Mujahidah is the female for Mujahid – the one who struggles for the sake of Allah and Islam, while Bint means 'daughter of' Usama.


It is suggested Usama is a likely references to the slain top al Qaeda leader, Osama bin Laden.

The Daily Mail report noted that British intelligence services, GCHQ and MI5 have been monitoring the accounts of several British female jihadis operating out of Raqqa in order to put together a picture of their activities.

The ISIS lady doctor posing with a severed head tweet comes at time, when another British woman in Syria working for the ISIS posted on Twitter that she wants: "David Cameron's head on a spike," reported The Independent.

Al Britaniyaa (formerly Al Jazraweeya), who claims to be 18-years old in another post also had tweeted: "The black flag is not only limited to Iraq and Shaam ['Greater Syria'] inshallah it shall fly over 10 Downing St."

The Telegraph recently revealed that the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation (ICSR), based in King's College in London has found that there are at least 60 British women, who have joined the jihadists in Syria.

The report also noted that Aqsa Mahmood, a 20-year-old woman from Glasgow was a key member of al-Khanssaa brigade, which is an ultra-religious police force that punishes women for un-Islamic behaviour.

Looks like beheading are trending too .... How nice.

 

[Ashflura]

@Aim64C: I admit, Muslims fail to criticise themselves as much as they do others, but that's a result of a lack of education, and experience, and general human failure, nothing unique to Muslims in the end.

In addition, context and background of the verses your quoting are important.

For example, Surah Al-Anfal (The Spoils of War), the 8th Chapter you’ve quoted directly without regard for background and context changes when you understand a few things, (and in shaa Allah I'll try my best to keep it clear and concise):

• This chapter was revealed after the Battle of Badr. A Battle between the early Muslims and Quraysh (the Ruling Tribe). The Muslims were outnumbered roughly 3:1 and had no weaponry and armour, which had been left behind because the Muslims whom had outwardly proclaimed their faith had been forced in secret to immigrate to Medina or be tortured.
• The Muslims had no solid ground to act out their lifestyle yet, so being firm in belief was important to weed out people who turn tail later.
• The chapter talks about many issues. From defining what a believer is (someone spending on others with the sustenance God has provided them), to not turning your back on the enemy (which is dishonourable in any nation today). It works to build the faith of the Muslims and to stress on them not to be taken up by the materialistic spoils of war else they go corrupt in morality.
• The particular verses, 12 and 15 which you tend to quote are presented out of context. Because verses 12-14 are often collected together as they are said God is addressing the angels - and not the Muslims. And then 15-16 are directed at the Muslims.

Verses 12 -14*:
And remember when your Lord was inspiring the angels with this: "I am with you: so keep the Believers steadfast. I am now going to fill the hearts of the disbelievers with awe: so smite their necks and beat every joint of their bodies. This is because they have opposed Allah and His Messenger; whoso opposes Allah and His Messenger, surely Allah is very severe for him in retribution. This is the punishment for you: so taste it now: you should also know that there is the torture of Hell for those who deny the Truth.

(*Still cruel, but not work for humans, rather telling of the orders God gave to the angels.)

And 15-16*:

O Believers! when you encounter, as an army, the disbelievers in a battle, do not turn your backs on them. Whoso turns his back on such an occasion, except it be as a strategy, or to join another troop of the Believers, shall incur the wrath of Allah: Hell shall be his abode: most wretched is that place of retreat!

(Which specifically addresses the Believers and is in reference to fleeing from battle, which is seen as cowardice in armies across the globe.)

 

[Sjhsgjhsgjshjshjsh]

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"

" Therefore when you meet in battle "
" Therefore when you meet in battle "

That was meant for people in battle (i.e who fight not those who are peaceful)

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

I don't know why you even post this
It has nothing with people killing people . This is god final judgment On people who don't believe.It's different from human killing another human .

Believers are not gods they don't have the right to kill unbelievers just because they doesn't believe (What ISIS is doing) god who judge them in the end not human.
And God forbidden muslims To kill peaceful people who doesn't attack them.

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Again this is only meant for the idolaters who fight in battle not the peaceful idolaters. In order to understand a verse you need to read the one before and after!

This verse you posted was after verse 4 ,Which talked about a contract between the idolaters who fight in battle with the believers
The contract was a promise not attack each other for a period of time

"So when the sacred months have passed away" Means when the contract period is over .

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Again this is meant for the people who fight in battle not the innocent ones who doesn't attack.

Its totally different from what ISIS do by killing people who didn't fight they just kill lives because they don't believe.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

I swear You just copy and paste without knowing the story behind it .

This verse you posted was talking about "The bader battle"
That verse Was giving strategies and ways to fight in the battle

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

This is clearly was not meant for innocent*people and it was about certain group
The verse was about the story of the tired people who came to madina then the prophet let them stay and drink from the camel milk After they recovered
They stole the camels and killed the Patron .

2:106 "Whatever of Our revelations We repeal or cause to be forgotten, We will replace them with something superior or comparable. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things? Do you not know that Allah reigns sovereign over the heavens and earth and besides Him you have no protector or helper? Would you question your messenger as Moses was questioned in his time? Those who exchange their faith for disbelief have gone astray from the right path."

16:101 "When We exchange one verse for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals, they say, 'You are making this up.' Most of them do not understand."

As it is written.

When two verses are in conflict, the later written verse is the more correct verse and that which the Muslim is commanded to follow.

Thats somewhat true
Quran surah's came out one by one on times of events .some of the things that were okay became forbidden later on like drinking sake ,marrying many women (in Aljahlia it used to be okay to Marry dozen of women before islam)


But again there isn't anything in Quran that tell people To kill innocent lives who does not fight you (believers or disbelievers)

Every verse you posted was talking about killing certain people who either fights in battles or attack .

Now - do we need to get to the Hadith?

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O
Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

This is a prediction before the end of the world
Its about a battle between some muslims and some jew (not all jew but some fighters)

Its not saying kill all jew ,but its talking about the prediction of that event

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not

This is not Bukhari (8:387)

This is bukhai (8:387)
"Narrated Anas bin Malik: We used to pray with the Prophet and some of us used to place the ends of their clothes at the place of prostration because of scorching heat."
As you can see this hadith is totally different from the one you posted Hopefully you did not just get that from unreliable source .You know like facebook or something .

Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)
interfere with them except legally."

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

same as above
Either you mistook the numbers or changed the entire text
Or some google translation that changed the real meaning.


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If the people of kufr (not muslim)were peaceful (not fighters) or muahed

its forbidden to kill them and not just kill but also may not attack his wealth and not on display, and there is no difference between the Christian and the Jewish and others in the correct, from the hadeeth of Abdullah bin AMR: the killer of promising(promising =peaceful non muslim) does not smell paradise that welcomes its fragrance is of 40 years. Narrated by Al-bukhaari and nesaee
عبد الله بن عمرو رضي الله عنهما قال: من قتل معاهداً لم يرح رائحة الجنة وإن ريحها توجد من ""مسيرة أربعين عاماً. رواه البخاري، وفي النسائي وغيره

others from the hadeeth of Abu Bakra said: the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him: "who kills a promising doesn't go to heaven."

من حديث أبي بكرة رضي الله عنه قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: من قتل معاهداً في ""غير كنهه حرم الله عليه الجنة"

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@Aim64C: I admit, Muslims fail to criticise themselves as much as they do others, but that's a result of a lack of education, and experience, and general human failure, nothing unique to Muslims in the end.

In addition, context and background of the verses your quoting are important.

For example, Surah Al-Anfal (The Spoils of War), the 8th Chapter you’ve quoted directly without regard for background and context changes when you understand a few things, (and in shaa Allah I'll try my best to keep it clear and concise):

• This chapter was revealed after the Battle of Badr. A Battle between the early Muslims and Quraysh (the Ruling Tribe). The Muslims were outnumbered roughly 3:1 and had no weaponry and armour, which had been left behind because the Muslims whom had outwardly proclaimed their faith had been forced in secret to immigrate to Medina or be tortured.
• The Muslims had no solid ground to act out their lifestyle yet, so being firm in belief was important to weed out people who turn tail later.
• The chapter talks about many issues. From defining what a believer is (someone spending on others with the sustenance God has provided them), to not turning your back on the enemy (which is dishonourable in any nation today). It works to build the faith of the Muslims and to stress on them not to be taken up by the materialistic spoils of war else they go corrupt in morality.
• The particular verses, 12 and 15 which you tend to quote are presented out of context. Because verses 12-14 are often collected together as they are said God is addressing the angels - and not the Muslims. And then 15-16 are directed at the Muslims.

Verses 12 -14*:
And remember when your Lord was inspiring the angels with this: "I am with you: so keep the Believers steadfast. I am now going to fill the hearts of the disbelievers with awe: so smite their necks and beat every joint of their bodies. This is because they have opposed Allah and His Messenger; whoso opposes Allah and His Messenger, surely Allah is very severe for him in retribution. This is the punishment for you: so taste it now: you should also know that there is the torture of Hell for those who deny the Truth.

(*Still cruel, but not work for humans, rather telling of the orders God gave to the angels.)

And 15-16*:

O Believers! when you encounter, as an army, the disbelievers in a battle, do not turn your backs on them. Whoso turns his back on such an occasion, except it be as a strategy, or to join another troop of the Believers, shall incur the wrath of Allah: Hell shall be his abode: most wretched is that place of retreat!

(Which specifically addresses the Believers and is in reference to fleeing from battle, which is seen as cowardice in armies across the globe.)

this

 

[6ari8]

What is there to steal from these nations?

Ehm...

The U.S robbed the whole world when they went off the Gold standard.

 

[Anorien16]

I would like to ask some of you Muslims a question again: When Gaza Israel conflict escalated social media exploded with #savePalestine how saving innocents just needs Humanity not any religious orientation .... But why is that there is comparatively no such zeal when speaking against the Jihadists like this girl

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here (That young doctor chopped off a guys's head taking picture among children) .... where is the Good Muslim people screaming for their children to not to go astray .... how can so many Muslim be convinced that Aim64c's interpretations are the correct one? Yeah people scream how Westerners created ISIL and such but neglect the fact that they merely armed them, they never asked them to pull the trigger in the violation of their religious principles and against their own people. Where is the outrage and criticism there? Original Chirstianity itself evolved to a much moderate sate through self criticism ... If the Muslim people doesnt adopt that ... and adopts that soon .... the majority will become what Aim says it is ... and the rest of the world will not really give a **** who is true or not. Its the Muslim people who becomes Jehadists .... so how about teaching those people the true meaning of Islam?

 

[Vapid]

We nuke Syria.

 

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We nuke Syria.

We already did
[video=youtube;AqDbtQsWdnQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqDbtQsWdnQ[/video]

 

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I would like to ask some of you Muslims a question again: When Gaza Israel conflict escalated social media exploded with #savePalestine how saving innocents just needs Humanity not any religious orientation .... But why is that there is comparatively no such zeal when speaking against the Jihadists like this girl

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here (That young doctor chopped off a guys's head taking picture among children) .... where is the Good Muslim people screaming for their children to not to go astray .... how can so many Muslim be convinced that Aim64c's interpretations are the correct one? Yeah people scream how Westerners created ISIL and such but neglect the fact that they merely armed them, they never asked them to pull the trigger in the violation of their religious principles and against their own people. Where is the outrage and criticism there? Original Chirstianity itself evolved to a much moderate sate through self criticism ... If the Muslim people doesnt adopt that ... and adopts that soon .... the majority will become what Aim says it is ... and the rest of the world will not really give a **** who is true or not. Its the Muslim people who becomes Jehadists .... so how about teaching those people the true meaning of Islam?

Unfortuntly there will always be people who misinterpret things
no matter what you do you can't fix their stupidity .Its not islam fault that some stupid muslims misinterpret Quran like that girl
When it came to islam itself Its clearly stated over and over that killing an innocent live is a huge sin that can't be forgiven ,but for some reason those people can't get that and they think it's ok if they killed a non muslim.

That girl (and her likes) clearly have mental issues its no surprise she doesn't understand the real meaning behind being a muslim and being a human .

 

[Anorien16]

Unfortuntly there will always be people who misinterpret things
no matter what you do you can't fix their stupidity .Its not islam fault that some stupid muslims misinterpret Quran like that girl
When it came to islam itself Its clearly stated over and over that killing an innocent live is a huge sin that can't be forgiven ,but for some reason those people can't get that and they think it's ok if they killed a non muslim.

That girl (and her likes) clearly have mental issues its no surprise she doesn't understand the real meaning behind being a muslim and being a human .

Misinterpretations will always be there, even Christians have Wesboro Baptist Church and other similar groups ... but they are criticised by a huge majority of moderate Chirstians and they dont actually have much power to do anything ... But the Islamic Radicals overpowers the Moderates or the true Muslims as per u, at the heart of their territory ... Very few save in the few actually speak out against them. It is the duty of Muslim people to curb the growth of such damned ideologies .... using cop out excuses like they are not true Muslims doesnt make everything right. So far I have seen very little signs of reformation ... and that will not end well if heads keep on rolling like now.

For example:

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Terror boss praises convicted terrorist Khaled Sharrouf as 'good, loveable kid'... while his 7-year-old holds a severed head
Mostafa Sharrouf says Australia should 'forget' about photo of his nephew
Young son of Khaled Sharrouf was photographed holding the severed head in the northern Syrian city of Raqqa
Sharrouf, one of Australia's most-wanted terrorists posted the photo to Twitter last week
He is believed to be fighting with al-Qaeda off-shoot Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
Grandfather Peter Nettleton says he is 'devastated' by the image
Mr Nettleton added that he felt sorry for his daughter Tara Nettleton - the wife of Mr Sharrouf and mother to the young boy


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While I have no idea about the innocence of the dead guy .... but this is much worse, corruption of a innocent child ..... It should be sacrilege in any religion.

Then we have this:

Waving their weapons and cheering, fanatics swooping across Iraq stood over bodies and celebrated as they buried 500 Yazidis alive
Women and children buried alive in mass graves by fanatics terrorising Iraq, according to an Iraqi minister.
Fighters from Islamic State group also accused of kidnapping 300 women to use for *** or as domestic slaves
Some 150,000 Yazidis fled their homes after the militants overran their main town of Sinjar in Iraq last week
Fresh claims of atrocities will add to pressure on West to take further action to halt IS's relentless expansion


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But where is the Good Muslims saying #saveYazidis and asking their fallen brothers to stop for Humanitys sake?


I wont blame the whole of Islam .... but these Radicals needs to be dismantled limb to to limb and made such an example that every fanatic will weep blood even at memory of what happens to extremists

As u see .... this Radical tendencies are catching on rather fiercely recently. I have really good Muslim friends .... But If Morderate Muslims fail to stop this Jihadist propaganda .... I am sad to say we will have another bloody crusade soon.

 

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Misinterpretations will always be there, even Christians have Wesboro Baptist Church and other similar groups ... but they are criticised by a huge majority of moderate Chirstians and they dont actually have much power to do anything ... But the Islamic Radicals overpowers the Moderates or the true Muslims as per u, at the heart of their territory ... Very few save in the few actually speak out against them. It is the duty of Muslim people to curb the growth of such damned ideologies .... using cop out excuses like they are not true Muslims doesnt make everything right. So far I have seen very little signs of reformation ... and that will not end well if heads keep on rolling like now.

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[Anorien16]

Well i agree with that

I hope at least some muslims pay more attention to this stuff and point it out in al khutba (its like a lecture every friday) Instead of making 637337 lecture about what women should not wear .

Hopefully soon .... Winds of War are already blowing.

 

[Avani]

Its the Muslim people who becomes Jehadists .... so how about teaching those people the true meaning of Islam?

Dunno... There area hell lot of interpretations and the group not following the " real " versions doesn't seem that small or limited to a region. I get the impression there are more efforts to teach non Muslims the "real Islam" by different factions than they teaching it to the "misguided" ones for their number keeps increasing.

ISIS is the final product of what USA did the 10+ last years.

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I agree but it's equally misleading to blame USA alone. They have had plenty of help from many Muslims countries including the people who claimed to be Islamic scholars. For example Afghanistan. Talibans were armed by USA but the institute where they studied, their founders and financial sponsors of such institutes were not Americans. They, of course, were playing Rambo and flexing muscles with USSR, but Iranians, Pakistanis, Saudis... many were involved. It's hard to digest that they have not been their own interests too just like USA.

^This.
Spreading bs through the media that ISIS is a danger to the whole world. lol
Even a 5 year old kid can see that this is another shit made up by USA.

As long as people from other nations are joining it and there are so many ambitious armed extremist outfits eager to start jehad for real or supposed dangers against Islam - yes they are danger to whole world. Including the Muslims world of course. For what next when everyone else is fixed according to them? Then they will have a fight to prove whose interpretation is correct and who should rule among themselves.

" [SIZE=] Therefore when you meet in battle [/SIZE]"
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And God forbidden muslims To kill peaceful people who doesn't attack them

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I believe you. The problem is, it seems a hell lot of scholars have failed to convey the real interpretation to their followers- for centuries.

But again there isn't anything in Quran that tell people To kill innocent lives who does not fight you (believers or disbelievers)

Who is "innocent"? Are the idolators innocent if they refuse to convert? What when Muslims are the invaders, and bringing war upon peaceful idolators in another country?

Muslims themselves make statements which are hard to digest...

The biggest sin on earth is shirk (idol-worship, to associate anyone or anything with Allah). And the second biggest sin is killing an innocent person.

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Now which of these will go to hell? The idolator who is lower than the lowest? Or the believer who misinterpreted Quran and killed the idolator for bring one Or is he not a believer if he cannot follow it all?

Of course one can disagree with the interpretation but that little article suggests that Idolators are not innocent to begin with. I checked some other sources and they seem to suggest that they are innocent as long as they are not educated about Islam but if they learn about it and still refuse to believe then they are sinners and a fair game. It was not very heartening.