Tobirama or Itachi
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HiddenSound
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I think Itachi would win with extreme dif, only if he's healthy. Tobirama wins low-mid dif if he's sick.
KingHashirama
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Tobirama mid-diff.
Only argument that can be put up, is if its based on solely feats. But since this isn't in a VS section, i assume we are talking in the naruto-verse. And if that is the case.. Itachi isn't on Tobiram'as level.
Only argument that can be put up, is if its based on solely feats. But since this isn't in a VS section, i assume we are talking in the naruto-verse. And if that is the case.. Itachi isn't on Tobiram'as level.
Alive Itachi < Alive Tobirama <Edo Tobirama<Edo Itachi
At least thats my opinion
If they were alive Tobirama would win mid diff, hell people were once debating that Tobirama could actually put a fight against EMS Madara.
At least thats my opinion
If they were alive Tobirama would win mid diff, hell people were once debating that Tobirama could actually put a fight against EMS Madara.
KingHashirama
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alive Tobirama > Edo tobirama. X_X Something Tobirama acknowledged (just saying, not trying to force it on you or anything.)Alive Itachi < Alive Tobirama <Edo Tobirama<Edo Itachi
At least thats my opinion
BlazeRelease
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Itachi.... He doesn't have any feats to put up with his genjutsu, let alone his mangekyo attacks.
KingHashirama
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But you are going to ignore, he was fighting MS users, and has deep knowledge on the techniques, not just for MS , but furthermore EMS. And all the knowledge he has on the Uchiha.
Seems in Naruto-verse. Power > immortal bodies man.
He fought Uchiha his entire lifetime. He makes shadow clones and genjutsu is pointless. His knowledge stems so far on uchiha that he even knew about Sasukes blaze style, because he had seen it used before.
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No, but itachi might have completely different ms abilities, and from what we've seen, tobirama can't fight them off very well at all.
I'm aware he can fight the uchiha and mangekyo, but itachi is a renowned genius uchiha who's ms abilities, apart from sasukes Amaterasu, are possibly 100% unique.
This just doesn't seem like a good match up for him.
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I've never seen him do anything to genjutsu... Or clones.
He made the clone jutsu actually, so it's probably very underdeveloped compared to modern ninja.
HiddenSound
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Tobirama could probably break it without much effort. The only person we've seen that used on is Naruto, who's very weak in Genjutsu.
Could go either way honestly. But Itachi takes it high-diff. Maybe even med-diff if he's lucky.
Saying Tobirama wins because he's fought MS users before is truly reaching. Primarily because we don't know the techs of those MS users and how good they were in genjutsu. Itachi's genjutsu looks entirely normal until he decides to distort things and allows you to know that you're in it. He's also the only Uchiha we've seen to employ non-ocular genjutsu. It's not a matter of Tobirama breaking Itachi's 3-tomoe genjutsu, it's a matter of realizing he's in it (which he may or may not- some of his sensory abilities have been inconsistent with the way Kishimoto wrote the war arc) and having enough time to react. What would happen if he was caught in a 3-tomoe genjutsu, then Itachi quickly made him look into his eyes so that he could use Tsukiyomi to end it? It would be over. Itachi also has a varied arsenal as well. Not an OP one (though he does have a few OP techs), but a decent one nonetheless paired with great intellect (which Tobirama has as well). Tobirama's is much more simplified, primarily consisting of FTG, shunshin, clone feints, some pressurized suiton, and things of that nature. He'd need more to take Itachi down.
Also, another thing to consider is that saying he "soloed Izuna" isn't very legitimate. Izuna had been his rival since he was around 10 years of age... he didn't manage to kill him until they were nearing their 40s. :| They were also in a group with nearly every Uchiha down and the Senju mainly standing. It was a group effort with Tobirama delivering the finishing blow.
Tobirama also died after battling 20 no-names. :/ Not all that impressive. Except for the intent behind that (him saving his team). It's not something to brag about for battle, though.
Saying Tobirama wins because he's fought MS users before is truly reaching. Primarily because we don't know the techs of those MS users and how good they were in genjutsu. Itachi's genjutsu looks entirely normal until he decides to distort things and allows you to know that you're in it. He's also the only Uchiha we've seen to employ non-ocular genjutsu. It's not a matter of Tobirama breaking Itachi's 3-tomoe genjutsu, it's a matter of realizing he's in it (which he may or may not- some of his sensory abilities have been inconsistent with the way Kishimoto wrote the war arc) and having enough time to react. What would happen if he was caught in a 3-tomoe genjutsu, then Itachi quickly made him look into his eyes so that he could use Tsukiyomi to end it? It would be over. Itachi also has a varied arsenal as well. Not an OP one (though he does have a few OP techs), but a decent one nonetheless paired with great intellect (which Tobirama has as well). Tobirama's is much more simplified, primarily consisting of FTG, shunshin, clone feints, some pressurized suiton, and things of that nature. He'd need more to take Itachi down.
Also, another thing to consider is that saying he "soloed Izuna" isn't very legitimate. Izuna had been his rival since he was around 10 years of age... he didn't manage to kill him until they were nearing their 40s. :| They were also in a group with nearly every Uchiha down and the Senju mainly standing. It was a group effort with Tobirama delivering the finishing blow.
Tobirama also died after battling 20 no-names. :/ Not all that impressive. Except for the intent behind that (him saving his team). It's not something to brag about for battle, though.
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Tobirama beats Itachi with no more than mid difficulty-especially if he has edos at his disposal.
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