Just how fast is Itachi's shunshin?

BlazeRelease · Sep 17, 2014

Flash Uchiha said:
You can't judge somebody's shunshin speed when they have no intention to kill in battle or they at their weakest moment in life(itachi's sickness). So we'll never know.

Itachi is the one who had no intention to kill, while kabuto was desperate to defeat itachi, pulling out all the stops.

Demonic. · Sep 17, 2014

Fast enough to solo your fav no diff

ChocolateVanilla · Sep 17, 2014

Adobo said:
Wasn't necessary. Kabuto sensed Itachi here...

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Note the [!]. There wasn't a question mark [!?] hinting that Kabuto was caught off guard. He sensed and percieved Itachi, yet failed to competely avoid the shunshin strike.

The exclamation point could have been referring to Kabuto's surprise from the bunshin though.
It's more impressive to me that Itachi was able to plant a bunshin without Kabuto noticing.

LuckyMan · Sep 17, 2014

Necromancer4276 said:
Are you serious? That enhances the feat... :|

You trie fighting two high level shinobi with no vision like Itachi and Sasuke. See how far you get.

The Necromancer · Sep 17, 2014

InvisibleMan said:
You trie fighting two high level shinobi with no vision like Itachi and Sasuke. See how far you get.

Kabuto had absolutely no problem fighting without sight. That's exactly what his SM sensing was for...

BenjerminGaye · Sep 17, 2014

Didn't kabuto say he forgot he had horns?

BenjerminGaye · Sep 17, 2014

Necromancer4276 said:
Kabuto had absolutely no problem fighting without sight. That's exactly what his SM sensing was for...

He still gave up one of his senses. Essentially being handicapped.

Nagi · Sep 17, 2014

BlazeRelease said:
Itachi is the one who had no intention to kill, while kabuto was desperate to defeat itachi, pulling out all the stops.

That's why I said you can't judge his speed. For all we know, if he had the intention to kill, Kabuto would be dead in a heartbeat. XD

The Necromancer · Sep 17, 2014

BenjerminGaye said:
He still gave up one of his senses. Essentially being handicapped.

Show me at all how that handicapped him in the slightest.

You're just denying the truth that a Sage Mode user was outsped by footspeed. Even Naruto could dodge the Raikage.

BlazeRelease · Sep 17, 2014

Flash Uchiha said:
That's why I said you can't judge his speed. For all we know, if he had the intention to kill, Kabuto would be dead in a heartbeat. XD

Lol not to mention he could've got his head instead if horn.

Beans2 · Sep 17, 2014

Your premise is very misguided and biased. You didn't account for the fact that Itachi was caught off guard by a Karasu bunshin - even Sage Mode sensors can be put off guard, as shown by how Kabuto was put off guard by Magatama, thus allowing himself to be nailed by Sasuke's Susano'o arrow

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- a Susano'o arrow being the very reference point you were drawing a comparison to. Further proof that Itachi only landed a hit due to Kabuto being caught off guard is that Kabuto reacted in time and stabbed Itachi the first time he tried to blitz

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(a part which you decided to ignore) and received the blow due to being tricked by a clone, rather than outsped to the point where he couldn't react.

Also, Itachi was going for a more serious strike than just Kabuto's horn, yet Kabuto was still able to react in time to mainly evade Itachi's strike to the point where he only lost a horn.

Adobo · Sep 17, 2014

HolyEyes said:
You didn't, but imo Itachi against Naruto and Bee (specifically Bee) was more impressive to me. A lot of conclusions could be drawn from their battle. Itachi's Shunshin/reaction speed are some of his most underrated aspects.

Well, imo, this one was more significant simply because DSM Kabuto has faster reflexes/reaction then Bee. But I do know what you mean, Itachi did display a lot of overlooked feats during that fight. I'll most likely exploit those next.

ChocolateVanilla said:
The exclamation point could have been referring to Kabuto's surprise from the bunshin though.
It's more impressive to me that Itachi was able to plant a bunshin without Kabuto noticing.

Nah, look at the manga page [

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BenjerminGaye · Sep 17, 2014

Necromancer4276 said:
Show me at all how that handicapped him in the slightest.

Given how heavily humans rely on sight it should be self explanatory.
I can safely say 5 senses+ sm 6th sense is and always will be superior to 4 senses+ sm 6th sense.
Simple math really.
Another example would be blind madara getting tagged by sasuke. Had he had eyes (and thus 3t) he probably wouldn't have been touched.

ChocolateVanilla · Sep 17, 2014

Adobo said:
Well, imo, this one was more significant simply because DSM Kabuto has faster reflexes/reaction then Bee. But I do know what you mean, Itachi did display a lot of overlooked feats during that fight. I'll most likely exploit those next.

Nah, look at the manga page [
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Why didn't you just post that first?

The Necromancer · Sep 17, 2014

BenjerminGaye said:
Given how heavily humans rely on sight it should be self explanatory.
I can safely say 5 senses+ sm 6th sense is and always will be superior to 4 senses+ sm 6th sense.
Simple math really.
Another example would be blind madara getting tagged by sasuke. Had he had eyes (and thus 3t) he probably wouldn't have been touched.

Terrible example. JJMadara was effortlessly outsped by RMSasuke later on.

There is no proof whatsoever that Kabuto was handicapped in anyway, outside of fanfiction of course.

Lord Tywin · Sep 17, 2014

HolyEyes said:
Izanami visibly slowed him down combined with the fact that it was canonically stated MULTIPLE times that he wasn't even trying the entire match U_U

what does that have to do anything? Itachi wanted to trap kabuto in Izanami, and if blitz was an option he would have done it

Adobo · Sep 17, 2014

beansandcornbread2 said:
Your premise is very misguided and biased. You didn't account for the fact that Itachi was caught off guard by a Karasu bunshin - even Sage Mode sensors can be put off guard, as shown by how Kabuto was put off guard by Magatama, thus allowing himself to be nailed by Sasuke's Susano'o arrow
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- a Susano'o arrow being the very reference point you were drawing a comparison to. Further proof that Itachi only landed a hit due to Kabuto being caught off guard is that Kabuto reacted in time and stabbed Itachi the first time he tried to blitz
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(a part which you decided to ignore) and received the blow due to being tricked by a clone, rather than outsped to the point where he couldn't react.

Also, Itachi was going for a more serious strike than just Kabuto's horn, yet Kabuto was still able to react in time to mainly evade Itachi's strike to the point where he only lost a horn.

I'm going to break it down and address it for the last time. Take a good look at this manga page [

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]. Top panel Kishi incorporated a [!?] hinting that the Karasu bunshin caught Kabuto off guard. He drops the sword in the disarray of crows, and then in the bottom left panel we are given a [!] meaning it was then that Kabuto sensed Itachi coming towards him and proceeded to dodge; only to get his horn sliced off. This was essentially the same way Kabuto sensed and effortlessly avoided the susano'o arrow. No if, and, or buts around it. Furthermore the sword barely even fell before Itachi grabbed it; displaying how fast his shunshin and striking speed really is.

LustyLover · Sep 17, 2014

Kratos93 said:
what does that have to do anything? Itachi wanted to trap kabuto in Izanami, and if blitz was an option he would have done it

Again, Izanami slows him down. Besides, he took advantage of the fact that, as an Edo, he could regenerate; physical attacks weren't his concern, especially since Sasuke could help him as well. If he wanted to kill, his speed would of reflected that.

The Necromancer · Sep 17, 2014

Adobo said:
I'm going to break it down and address it for the last time. Take a good look at this manga page [
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]. Top panel Kishi incorporated a [!?] hinting that the Karasu bunshin caught Kabuto off guard. He drops the sword in the disarray of crows, and then in the bottom left panel we are given a [!] meaning it was then that Kabuto sensed Itachi coming towards him and proceeded to dodge; only to get his horn sliced off. This was essentially the same way Kabuto sensed and effortlessly avoided the susano'o arrow. No if, and, or buts around it. Furthermore the sword barely even fell before Itachi grabbed it; displaying how fast his shunshin really is.

Agreed. Kabuto was fully aware of the strike, but was hit by it anyway.

Itachi Solos · Sep 17, 2014

Itachi's shunshin > Flying Thunder God

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