[Discussion] Ace vs doflamingo

[Mugiwara kun]

I actually think ace is stronger than most people think and he could beat doflamingo

Are you kidding me? WTF!!!? Ace is strong,yes I agree time that but he's no way on DD's level

 

[Mugiwara kun]

Doflamingo mid-high diff. Sanji's fire couldn't burn Doflamingo's strings away, I doubt Ace can either. There's still a possibility that Ace can turn into fire, deform, and escape whatever method the strings bind with, but we don't know if it can definitely happen since we don't quite know the limits of Doflamingo's control.

Seeing that Doflamingo has greater speed feats than Ace too, I just don't see Ace winning. Teach mentioned that it was a while since Ace was hit physically, indicating he relies heavily on his Fruit's intangibility, so Doflamingo's Haki-laced blows can knock Ace off his feet and cause him to stagger, which could make all the difference. Seeing as Doflamingo could take Red Hawk, a fiery attack with Haki laced into it with no significant injuries, then I just don't see Ace harming Doflamingo that much. Plus, Doflamingo can make it two vs one with Black Knight, perhaps even multiple clones. Bird Cage can just be bad news for Ace.

thank you very much for your analysis. Seems some people still have their wits about them and not just blinded because of their fav

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Aokiji's powers stalemated with Akainu's, as Punk Hazard was 50/50 transformed, and he was able to deal grievous injries to Akainu. Fire can't be stronger than ice since magma is stronger than fire.

ABC Logic. Fire cant be frozen while Magma can.

 

[-Akuma-]

ABC Logic. Fire cant be frozen while Magma can.

But it takes large amounts of Ice to freeze a lesser amount of magma, if thrown at even amounts magma wins.

 

[bajram]

I'd say dofla high-extreme diff though I see nothing impressive about dofla, he will get beaten by 2 rookies and is the first major villain in NW, that aside if Ace trained more his physical abilites, which would result in better stamina and duability and train his haki more, I can see Ace beating dofla without much diff, the growth rate Ace had is way better than dofla, at age of 20 ace was a solid high tier and a commande in the strongest pirate crew, 1 or 2 more years on NW and I see ace taking dofla with mid diff.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'd say dofla high-extreme diff though I see nothing impressive about dofla, he will get beaten by 2 rookies and is the first major villain in NW, that aside if Ace trained more his physical abilites, which would result in better stamina and duability and train his haki more, I can see Ace beating dofla without much diff, the growth rate Ace had is way better than dofla, at age of 20 ace was a solid high tier and a commande in the strongest pirate crew, 1 or 2 more years on NW and I see ace taking dofla with mid diff.

Crocodile was defeated by rookie Luffy, but was able to hold his own at Marineford, deflecting a swing from the WSSM, taking a hit from Jozu with little damage, and leaving the war with minor injuries despite fighting directly. I'm hesitant to use this also, but Akainu was also bothered bit his sneak attack a bit, showing that Crocodile has some ability, albeit little, to harm Akainu.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I'd say dofla high-extreme diff though I see nothing impressive about dofla, he will get beaten by 2 rookies and is the first major villain in NW, that aside if Ace trained more his physical abilites, which would result in better stamina and duability and train his haki more, I can see Ace beating dofla without much diff, the growth rate Ace had is way better than dofla, at age of 20 ace was a solid high tier and a commande in the strongest pirate crew, 1 or 2 more years on NW and I see ace taking dofla with mid diff.

Before he joined he was equal to Jinbe, and after 3 years he couldn't even beat Yami Teach. If his growth rate is really impressive then he should have won.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Now imagine the building is Aces head

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I can think of many ways DD can neg Ace

 

[bajram]

Before he joined he was equal to Jinbe, and after 3 years he couldn't even beat Yami Teach. If his growth rate is really impressive then he should have won.

Sabo and ace ae supossed to have similar growth rate so Sabo is somehow ace +2 years, Ace would definitely be top tier if he had 2 years more of living while doflamingo is 40+ years old and he isnt even close to the top dogs, talk about shit growth rate... Sabo has nothing better then Ace and he is definitely stronger than Doflamingo actually Ace should have a better growth rate than sabo and equal to luffy he is Rogers son dont forget and the reason marines were so desperate to kill Ace was because Ace one day would be just like his father, a PK he had the king dispositions and a very powerful DF, Actually ace's growth literally shits on doflamingo's poor growth.

@Riker Slade

Harm Akainu? a beaten up AKainu after just taking island splitting quakes was able to fight marco & Vista + 10 commanders and crocodile and yet he still took down one of the commanders, stop sputing crap, give crocodile a million years and he isnt even touching akainu, if marco and vista are having a hard time breaking his logia intangibility? And crocodile is suposed to harm akainu, tell me a more laughable joke.

 

[Olorin]

Ace should have a better growth rate than sabo and equal to luffy he is Rogers son dont forget and the reason marines were so desperate to kill Ace was because Ace one day would be just like his father, a PK he had the king dispositions and a very powerful DF, Actually ace's growth literally shits on doflamingo's poor growth.

I agree, I think Sabo would/will reach his limit quite a bit earlier than Ace would have, a prime Ace would be as powerful as prime Roger, Luffy, Dragon or Garp

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I can think of many ways DD can neg Ace

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now imagine that the Colosseum or the ships are Doflamingo's head

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Sabo and ace ae supossed to have similar growth rate so Sabo is somehow ace +2 years, Ace would definitely be top tier if he had 2 years more of living while doflamingo is 40+ years old and he isnt even close to the top dogs, talk about shit growth rate... Sabo has nothing better then Ace and he is definitely stronger than Doflamingo actually Ace should have a better growth rate than sabo and equal to luffy he is Rogers son dont forget and the reason marines were so desperate to kill Ace was because Ace one day would be just like his father, a PK he had the king dispositions and a very powerful DF, Actually ace's growth literally shits on doflamingo's poor growth.

@Riker Slade

Harm Akainu? a beaten up AKainu after just taking island splitting quakes was able to fight marco & Vista + 10 commanders and crocodile and yet he still took down one of the commanders, stop sputing crap, give crocodile a million years and he isnt even touching akainu, if marco and vista are having a hard time breaking his logia intangibility? And crocodile is suposed to harm akainu, tell me a more laughable joke.

Im pretty sure he has way better Haki.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Im pretty sure he has way better Haki.

At least he has Haki XD

 

[Olorin]

Im pretty sure he has way better Haki.

from what we have seen Vergo also has better Haki than pre-TS WB and Admirals combined

 

[bajram]

Im pretty sure he has way better Haki.

Are u retarded? I was talking that if both of them had the same age than Sabo has nothing over Ace, and u just ignored everything else I said, pathetic simply pathetic.

 

[Gintõki1]

The character hate and bash on this site is high.

 

[A v i]

If you had never seen One Piece, and I told you Doflamingo has the power to create and control strings, would you guess he has an ability that spans across an entire country? The Ope Ope no Mi is stronger than the Ito Ito no Mi, but is Law>Doflamingo? How do you know Teach didn't get a lucky shot in with Thatch, how do you know the only reason Teach got to kill Thatch was because Thatch wasn't expecting a fellow crewmember to kill him? Even Whitebeard was unprepared for attacks from allies because of his old age, and Thatch is inferior to him.

Teach fought on par with Sengoku right after getting GGNM so having a strong DF would definitely make u strong or at least those feats from Teach proves that he's a fearsome opponent as he managed to use GGNM as good as WB.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Teach fought on par with Sengoku right after getting GGNM so having a strong DF would definitely make u strong or at least those feats from Teach proves that he's a fearsome opponent as he managed to use GGNM as good as WB.

1. That has nothing to do with my point that just because your fruit is powerful, doesn't mean you'll be as powerful. Example, Enel.

2. Teach wasn't using it with as much control as Newgate was. He lacked Whitebeard's level of control.

I agree, I think Sabo would/will reach his limit quite a bit earlier than Ace would have, a prime Ace would be as powerful as prime Roger, Luffy, Dragon or Garp

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now imagine that the Colosseum or the ships are Doflamingo's head

Doflamingo has the speed and agility feats to dodge, Ace doesn't.

Sabo and ace ae supossed to have similar growth rate so Sabo is somehow ace +2 years, Ace would definitely be top tier if he had 2 years more of living while doflamingo is 40+ years old and he isnt even close to the top dogs, talk about shit growth rate... Sabo has nothing better then Ace and he is definitely stronger than Doflamingo actually Ace should have a better growth rate than sabo and equal to luffy he is Rogers son dont forget and the reason marines were so desperate to kill Ace was because Ace one day would be just like his father, a PK he had the king dispositions and a very powerful DF, Actually ace's growth literally shits on doflamingo's poor growth.

@Riker Slade

Harm Akainu? a beaten up AKainu after just taking island splitting quakes was able to fight marco & Vista + 10 commanders and crocodile and yet he still took down one of the commanders, stop sputing crap, give crocodile a million years and he isnt even touching akainu, if marco and vista are having a hard time breaking his logia intangibility? And crocodile is suposed to harm akainu, tell me a more laughable joke.

1. Everything about Ace's potential is irrelevant. What goes is his "potential" when the only form we have of him to use never got to it? Also, Sabo stomps Ace in Haki and speed.

2. Eh that's why I was hesitant to use that instance. Like I said, it was barely any kind of harm. Akainu's reaction to Crocodile's blade was pretty much the same as his reaction to Vista's and Marco's slices. Not saying Crocodile is on their level, just that it shows he was able to be a hindrance to Akainu, albeit a small one.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Are u retarded? I was talking that if both of them had the same age than Sabo has nothing over Ace, and u just ignored everything else I said, pathetic simply pathetic.

He barely even improved after 3 years with the WB Pirates, what makes you think an extra two years would do all that?

 

[bajram]

He barely even improved after 3 years with the WB Pirates, what makes you think an extra two years would do all that?

How he barely improved? He was roughly equal to Jinbei 3 years ago, both of them grew on power but ace did get stronger than him as time passed, as I said ace was 17 years old when he went to the sea and was on the same level as someone as strong as Jinbei, who is definitely a solid high tier, and comparing ace 17 and luffy 17 than Ace had a better growth rate, he went to NW and got a bounty of 550m, the biggest bounty known to OP, he destroyed crew after crew in his way, while luffy had trouble going to NW, and would get crushed in the first island if he ever went to NW at age of 17 without the timeskip, Ace went and fought WB, and again its not like luffy improved drastically over the 2 years timeskip, for me he is still weaker than Ace as I can see luffy giving only mid diff to doffy while ace would definitely give high diff, but than again ace has 1 more year, Ace 20>=Luffy 19, Luffy 20>=Ace 19.

First 2 years luffy spend training for 2 years and only was able to learn basic haki, as I think its hard to unlock haki but its easier to improve it, and thats why I think ace at 22 years old would be Luffy 22>=Ace 22>= Sabo 22.

Both Luffy and ace have the strongest father's and its common sense to think that the son of the former PK would be stronger than current Sabo, that's the reason why marines were so eager to kill Ace, they knew he would be at the pirate summit one day, and seeing how young he became a pirate that day would be pretty close.

And its not like Sabo had a stronger/better teacher on teaching him haki,fighting etc, if Sabo had Dragon ace had someone even stronger than that WB, as I said Sabo's growth will start to reduce while Ace's would just grow stronger and stronger, if Ace lived on the main contender for the PK title would be Luffy,Ace they both have the best growth rate on the manga, so Oda jut had to kill Luffy's biggest threat/obstacle to the PK/WSM title.

@Riker Slade

1. I know its irrelevant but I just felt like bringing it up. As I said again im not stupid to think that pre-skip ace is as strong or stronger than current Sabo, Ace in the same age as Sabo for me Ace would eventually overpower Sabo, the bloodline talks for itself.

 

[Punk Hazard]

How he barely improved? He was roughly equal to Jinbei 3 years ago, both of them grew on power but ace did get stronger than him as time passed, as I said ace was 17 years old when he went to the sea and was on the same level as someone as strong as Jinbei, who is definitely a solid high tier, and comparing ace 17 and luffy 17 than Ace had a better growth rate, he went to NW and got a bounty of 550m, the biggest bounty known to OP, he destroyed crew after crew in his way, while luffy had trouble going to NW, and would get crushed in the first island if he ever went to NW at age of 17 without the timeskip, Ace went and fought WB, and again its not like luffy improved drastically over the 2 years timeskip, for me he is still weaker than Ace as I can see luffy giving only mid diff to doffy while ace would definitely give high diff, but than again ace has 1 more year, Ace 20>=Luffy 19, Luffy 20>=Ace 19.

First 2 years luffy spend training for 2 years and only was able to learn basic haki, as I think its hard to unlock haki but its easier to improve it, and thats why I think ace at 22 years old would be Luffy 22>=Ace 22>= Sabo 22.

Both Luffy and ace have the strongest father's and its common sense to think that the son of the former PK would be stronger than current Sabo, that's the reason why marines were so eager to kill Ace, they knew he would be at the pirate summit one day, and seeing how young he became a pirate that day would be pretty close.

And its not like Sabo had a stronger/better teacher on teaching him haki,fighting etc, if Sabo had Dragon ace had someone even stronger than that WB, as I said Sabo's growth will start to reduce while Ace's would just grow stronger and stronger, if Ace lived on the main contender for the PK title would be Luffy,Ace they both have the best growth rate on the manga, so Oda jut had to kill Luffy's biggest threat/obstacle to the PK/WSM title.

@Riker Slade

1. I know its irrelevant but I just felt like bringing it up. As I said again im not stupid to think that pre-skip ace is as strong or stronger than current Sabo, Ace in the same age as Sabo for me Ace would eventually overpower Sabo, the bloodline talks for itself.

All of this is assumption without a solid base.
I could just as easily say that Ace took out fodder crew without Haki.
I could just as easily say we don't actually know when Ace got his bounty, could be after he joined Whitebeard.
I could just as easily say Ace didn't meet Whitebeard in the New World, but actually on the Grand Line.
I could just as easily say what if Ace has no talent for Haki, while Sabo is a natural Haki genius? After all, Haki is the person's willpower and spirit manifested, and Ace's entire life was one huge existential crisis, while Sabo knew who he was.
How do you know Ace wouldn't take more after Rouge, and not Roger, and not be THAT strong?
How do you know Ace wouldn't have hit his peak in two years while Sabo will keep on getting better?

All these "ifs" and "would haves", they're useless. Possible? Sure. But this is normal discussion material, this kind of thing has no place in a VS thread.