Why Don't People Get It?

[The Necromancer]

You make it seem as if either of the ppl I mentioned won.

Tobirama was Hokage only because the Senju won the war against the Uchiha.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

OBVIOUS IS OBVIOUS

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[KingHashirama]

Your opinion not his reason

His reason is personal... rofl "Anyone who gets in my way i will kill him". You think hes going to become Hokage over Naruto if it was up to the 5 Kages? **** no. rofl. He has no choice but to kill them, if he wants to "lead". Hence it is personal to him. He blames the death of his brother, on the "corrupted" system.

 

[WalksInShadows]

if someone was trying to take my life, it's pretty freaking personal. Idrgaff what the reasoning behind it is.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Tobirama was Hokage only because the Senju won the war against the Uchiha.

False. Tobirama became hokage because he got jounin vote, was chosen by the elders, and was chosen by the ppl, same way hashirama became kage.
Madara on the other hand was only gonna become hokage because hashirama said so.

 

[SuperChief]

I know why he's doing it, and I know it's f-cking stupid and he's going to get an asskicking for his troubles.

 

[Mad Daz]

People get it, it is still insane.

 

[Demonic.]

Namely, a certain Senju fanboy. That's the main one.

Why do I know you're referring to KingHashirama?

 

[TrollingSage]

Oh we get it alright. What we don't get is what Sasuke thinks give him the right to execute the kages and start a revolution, seeing as he himself is a human scum that was going to execute his own team mate that was helping him with his revenge because a 40 year old paedophilic virgin asked him to?
If Sasuke wants a revolution, he should start by executing himself.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It's not personal, doesn't make it less inane though.

 

[Chie]

Itachi was a loyal soldier who would serve the rest of his days under a broken system if it came to it. Sasuke has no such limitation.

It's not only Itachi but every other shinobi in the world barring nukenins who serve that system. Kakashi mentioned this early on in the series:

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It's something Team 7 bar Sasuke supports. The reason being, the system is meant to promote the unity of the world. Shinobi don't go for their own selfish gains, but instead for the general public. It's not necessarily a bad thing.

Oddly enough, due to people like Sasuke the system doesn't work. The major offenders in the history of the shinobi world have all been Uchiha. They ruin the peace, otherwise without them the system works well enough. If they go along with it, then their "rebellions" aren't needed in the 1st place.

Also, it's not that people wholeheartedly support the system. Itachi even admitted that it had hypocrisy and a dark side to it when he was an Edo Tensei. It's more along the lines of that most are not in the position to change it to the point that it needs to be changed. Itachi couldn't change it at all given his cirumstance. So, he did the best next thing and went with it because that was his only other way to promote the peace. That's what the majority of other shinobi do as well, they follow the rules and do what they can to keep things together.

In Sasuke's case, yes. He is insanely powerful, a nukenin, and therefore has no ties or emotion towards it. So, he doesn't have limitation. However, regardless of this noble cause, it's not going to fix anything if he kills the beloved leaders of the 5 great nations. What happens next? People rebel against him and he kills them all? It just makes things worse. Sasuke is more extreme than Danzo. It's not going to work with him being a shinobi world dictator. Nothing is going to magically fall into place like he thinks.

Either way, given that Gaara is alive in "The Last" and Sakura/Naruto are happy in the sketches, Naruto will probably convince Sasuke against his actions towards the end of this fight.

ot: We know it's not personal. Sasuke has no reason to have a beef with any of them, they didn't wrong him at all. If anything, they should have a beef with him. However, his method is horrendously skewed and nonsensical. He is the same as MS Sasuke, primarily because he wants to change the system just as he did then. He literally even said the only reason he isn't wiping out the villages is because someone will rebuild them again, so he's targeting the head, the kages. This guy's a loon now. All because Kishimoto decided to retcon his character some more so that an epic fight could follow. Masashi just wants to give the audience a fanservice at this point at the cost of Sasuke's character development.

 

[Senpou]

Executing gokages wouldn't solve everything, negotiation is the only solution. Power doesn't solve anything permanently unless you are immortal to achieve peace and maintain the same for the generations to come. Sasuke is neither immortal nor the most powerful to achieve his goal. His Hard and fast rule will soon be cut down by the very same people who he forced to surrender because nobody likes dictatotship. Not even naruto's ideology will bring peace for eternity. That being said, currently naruto and sasuke both should join hands and change the system with the support of whole shinobi world.

This is why hashirama told madara that the best thing to do is to setup an ideology and entrust the future generation with it. It's a 50/50 situation, hashirama wasn't fully sure about the system he created himself but he knew it was the only way to maintain peace for longer period. He knew wars will happen regardless after his time is over, so the best thing was to look after the people and ensure that wars will not break out until his time is over. In a way sasuke's ideology is also based on the same principle but the way he wants to achieve it is cruel. Forcing people to do what he wishes will only bring peace for a short time, but the way he choose to achieve such short term peace will never be justified Lol.

 

[silmarill]

iThis guy's a loon now. All because Kishimoto decided to retcon his character some more so that an epic fight could follow. Masashi just wants to give the audience a fanservice at this point at the cost of Sasuke's character development.

yep. exactly. this.. I have mentioned this to a few times, it's honestly a blamage on Sasuke's character

 

[Senpou]

yep. exactly. this.. I have mentioned this to a few times, it's honestly a blamage on Sasuke's character

Knowing kishi i can say that he doesn't do things just for the sake of fan service, when he introduced IT concept people thought naruto as a main character would stop him no matter what, look what happened. Now with sasuke's revolution thingy, i have a feeling that sasuke will succeed somehow and then kishi will start with his "new era" project which would be about naruto prooving sasuke wrong. Just my opinion.

 

[WalksInShadows]

False. Tobirama became hokage because he got jounin vote, was chosen by the elders, and was chosen by the ppl, same way hashirama became kage.

what you said is actually false, because the title was handed down from Hashirama to Hiruzen.

 

[Chie]

Knowing kishi i can say that he doesn't do things just for the sake of fan service, when he introduced IT concept people thought naruto as a main character would stop him no matter what, look what happened. Now with sasuke's revolution thingy, i have a feeling that sasuke will succeed somehow and then kishi will start with his "new era" project which would be about naruto prooving sasuke wrong. Just my opinion.

@bold- What happened was that Madara failed entirely. As did Kaguya, Naruto is also the one who had the major role in that fight.

Sasuke's not going to succeed. That was proven the moment they showed Gaara alive in the "new era" project. It proves Naruto will win the fight either physically or through a tnj (convince Sasuke against his plan). The only question is whether or not Sasuke will go back to Konoha after this is all over and decide to live there or not. Or, if Sasuke changes his goal to something more drastic, since he tends to change goals he's had for years in the course of a few minutes.

He's done things for fanservice before. Bringing other Akatsuki members excluding Nagato and Itachi during the war arc just for them to get owned in one move by people like Sai was a fanservice. Pairing hints are fanservice. He does it more often than you think. Kishimoto is a troll.

 

[WalksInShadows]

@bold- What happened was that Madara failed entirely. As did Kaguya, Naruto is also the one who had the major role in that fight.

it was because MT came at the cost of ppl getting turned into Zetsu over time, not because Madara was defeated by somebody.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

what you said is actually false, because the title was handed down from Hashirama to Hiruzen.

False again. Tobirama handed the title to Hiruzen but like all the other hokages he still has to get elder approval and jounin vote.

 

[WalksInShadows]

False again. Tobirama handed the title to Hiruzen but like all the other hokages he still has to get elder approval and jounin vote.

then you won't mind showing where somebody was said to have voted for Tobirama. Don't worry, i'll wait.

 

[Chie]

it was because MT came at the cost of ppl getting turned into Zetsu over time, not because Madara was defeated by somebody.

Kishimoto trashed and trolled Madara. His plan came out to be a fraud, he was manipulated by BZ, he was owned by BZ through that backstab when Chojuro of all characters soloed him with a sword stab prior to that happening, and Kaguya had the final fight with Team 7. Naruto was the savior as usual.

He was defeated in a very embarassing way. Even with Rinnegan, he couldn't notice a black goo that isn't suitable for fighting back stab him. Pathetic.

then you won't mind showing where somebody was said to have voted for Tobirama. Don't worry, i'll wait.

Not everything needs to be stated for the audience to know it happened.

It's a given that people voted for Tobirama, considering that if Hashirama wasn't allowed to give Madara the title by just his say, then he wasn't allowed to give the title to his brother just through his say either. The only reason Tobirama had the authority to give the title to Hiruzen through his say was because he was about to die and the Hokages need to be replaced as soon as possible. They were in the middle of a war and far from Konoha- not an opportune time for elections.

Not that it matters in the least whether or not people voted for him. People sided with the Senju, even the Uchiha sided with the Senju over their own leader who just wanted the best for them, Madara. And, of course everyone else was content with the Senju bros ruling as well. The general village population favored both of them over people like Madara. There's also the case of Tobirama being the one to advance Konoha the most with the laws and regulations he set in place. Due to him, Konoha became the strongest country. In the databooks, it was also stated that he was positively received and viewed as someone who was "courageous". Plus, nothing considerably bad happened during his reign (no rebellions, nothing like that).