My Tier List.

[KidGamer65]

Muu and unki should be in the same tier as war arc kakashi not lower

Kakashi is a bigger threat to stronger people than Mu or Onoki. Mainly due to Kamui, and the fact that his stamina has gotten so great that he can use it multiple times, and its speed has increased.

 

[wael reda]

Kakashi is a bigger threat to stronger people than Mu or Onoki. Mainly due to Kamui, and the fact that his stamina has gotten so great that he can use it multiple times, and its speed has increased.

Yes maybe kakashi is stronger but not stronger enough to put them in a lower tier ,I guess ,especially muu

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes maybe kakashi is stronger but not stronger enough to put them in a lower tier ,I guess ,especially muu

They may be a whole tier apart, but Mu and Onoki are near the top of their tiers while Kakashi isn't at the top of his tier. So the difference isn't as big as it'd seem on paper..though I can possibly move Mu up due to his invisibility, not Onoki though.

 

[wael reda]

Did you read my other post about kakashi's counter for muu's invincibility

 

[KidGamer65]

Did you read my other post about kakashi's counter for muu's invincibility

Didn't see it, I'll go back and reply in a minute.

 

[wael reda]

They may be a whole tier apart, but Mu and Onoki are near the top of their tiers while Kakashi isn't at the top of his tier. So the difference isn't as big as it'd seem on paper..though I can possibly move Mu up due to his invisibility, not Onoki though.

OK ,no problem

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes muu 's jutsu is advanced jutsu and can erase his chakra completely ,so maybe the sharingan can't see him
But kakashi can still track him by movements in air current and sound ,and the sharingan will help him in doing that
Here a scan from the manga shows that kid kakashi without sharingan tracking this invincible shinobi

Spoiler

See what kakashi said

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So adult kakashi with sharing an will do it even easier

I can agree with that...however Sound won't help since he'll be in mid air, flying, thus no sound from walking.

I think you overrate sm naruto's durability ,pain stabbed him and pa( who is agreat sage)with black rods
I think muu can stab him in his neck with a sword

Naruto fell face first on a bunch of large spiked stalagmites, and suffered no damage. Pain's rods weren't even being cut by chakra scalpels. Mu's sword isn't piercing Naruto.

 

[Demonic.]

You should take it a step further and try to put the tiers in order KidGamer

 

[KidGamer65]

You should take it a step further and try to put the tiers in order KidGamer

I'll do that, some other day though.

 

[Penguin]

I think it's funny how someone argued that The Sage of Six Paths could push Kaguya. Wasn't it Hogoromo that said she was on a different level? If that doesn't say she is a tier above him, I don't know what does.

EMS Madara along with EMS Sasuke rapes Nagato. Preta doesn't counter Susano'o. Once PS comes out he has nothing to deal with it.

Jinton is so overrated it is ridiculous. People act as if it is this one hit GG technique. It's funny how no one with good feats has died from Jinton. Madara fought two Jinton user and lived. Muu and Onoki evaded each other's Jinton.

 

[Icelerate]

Only a delusional fanboy/fangirl or a troll would believe that Hanzo gets easily solo'd by Tsunade or Sakura's punch to the ground of all things when he was able to take on all 3 Sannin in his prime. Unless you think Tsunade or Sakura would solo Hanzo fight Sannin with a punch...Lol

No, they aren't. Ay or Orochimaru would beat them mid-high diff. Why don't you actually explain how they lose instead of repeating that they lose.


Another one you put choji tier 10 and temari tier 11. She can lieteraly cut him in half in the first few secs of the fight.

Yes, because Choji is going to sit there like a retard and let Temari cut him in half. Am I supposed to be taking you seriously here?

Are you ranking prime Hanzo? I'd also rank Prime Hiruzen as well and old Hanzo too because you have old Hiruzen and Sannin fight Hanzo but not the other version of both characters.

Anyway who do you think wins, Temari or Chouji in neutral conditions? I personally think Temari can take it with high difficulty but I agree with you that Temari can't cut Chouji in half and that Chouji is overall stronger.
Correct Ashura's name from Asura to Ashura in tier 3.


Add BM Naruto to tier 6.

Bee should be dropped to tier 8 IMO.

Mu and 2nd Mizukage should be moved up a tier IMO.

Deidara should be moved up a tier IMO.

Add Asuma, Sai, Dodai and Kankuro to tier 11. Chiyo can be added to either tier 10 or tier 11.

If Onoki is ground level (which he would most likely be) Naruto's only Option is to Jump or go air born to truly dodge it! Why? Because the beam is not only fast and huge, when spinned around or simply used in a sweeping motion left to right or right to left

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(onoki is at the bottom of the triangle, and the black space is him going back and forth with his Jinton Beam towards Naruto's Direction in a constant sweeping motion)

Now with that being shown Air born is the easiest thought (jump) but also dumbest! Why? because in the air you cannot move unless you can fly! Now ofc Naruto has his Clones, but he cannot spam clones while in sage mode so the more clones he use the faster his Sage mode will run out. Also we are forgetting the speed of Onoki when air born!

And this is just about Naruto who can use clones mid air to help move (not even going to bring up that his sage mode isn't even long and he needs to waist chakra summoning the 2 sages). But imagine other ninjas?

Your triangle analogy is wrong. Jinton will form a conical area of destruction, not a triangular one. This is because the length of Onoki's jinton remains constant but the height of the triangle straight ahead is a lot smaller than the length of the sides of a triangle. The height of the triangle is essentially the length between the bottom vertex (corner) with the midpoint in between the top line segment. The length of the triangle's side are the two lines at the side. You should be able to understand what I'm saying if you have basic trig and geometrical sense.

If he jumps up, onoki simply and easily slightly moves his arms up and now the beam is air born. It's a beam bro, it isn't hard to move. Again, it's like a flash light, where ever your arms move with the flash light, the light targets that area. Are you saying its not possible to point the flash light towards the sky? And if he summons any boss toad they instantly gets vaporized by Jinton! Naruto would never ever put the toads in harms way like that, so the toads mid air strategy isn't even an in character option.

Onoki also has Stone clones (which do not go poof when hit) and Giant Golems to aid in his bout!

It isn't exactly like a flashlight, jinton beam is a lot larger than the caster so Onoki won't be able to see Naruto jump up so Onoki has no reason to wave it upwards. Jinton creates a lot of noise so he won't know Naruto jumped. Muu can sense Naruto's location though.

They may be a whole tier apart, but Mu and Onoki are near the top of their tiers while Kakashi isn't at the top of his tier. So the difference isn't as big as it'd seem on paper..though I can possibly move Mu up due to his invisibility, not Onoki though.

Nah Mu was portrayed to be on a whole other level compared to Onoki.

 

[KidGamer65]

I think it's funny how someone argued that The Sage of Six Paths could push Kaguya. Wasn't it Hogoromo that said she was on a different level? If that doesn't say she is a tier above him, I don't know what does.

EMS Madara along with EMS Sasuke rapes Nagato. Preta doesn't counter Susano'o. Once PS comes out he has nothing to deal with it.

Jinton is so overrated it is ridiculous. People act as if it is this one hit GG technique. It's funny how no one with good feats has died from Jinton. Madara fought two Jinton user and lived. Muu and Onoki evaded each other's Jinton.

If you can provide a scan, it'd be very helpful. Especially in future arguments. Lol, but yeah, I agree with most of it, especially the bold. People say that his Susanoo is a level below Madara's solely because it has no feats...however..if I'm right about this, Sage Mode Madara being able to use Shinsuusenju on Hashirama's level is widely accepted, mainly because his Mokuton was on par with Base Hashirama's Mokuton, even though Madara has zero feats of using it.......but when it comes to Sasuke and PS, suddenly his PS is nowhere near Madara's..I find this double standard quite hilarious.

 

[KidGamer65]

Are you ranking prime Hanzo? I'd also rank Prime Hiruzen as well and old Hanzo too because you have old Hiruzen and Sannin fight Hanzo but not the other version of both characters.

Yup, but Hiruzen is harder to rank since we know nothing about his prime, but I do believe he should be a tier above any of the Sannin based on Oro's hype of him in Part 1, so I'll put him in Minato's tier.

I wasn't gonna bother with Old Hanzo, but I guess I could rank him. Though I'm not too knowledgeable on him since he fought during a time where I just skimmed through the manga.

Anyway who do you think wins, Temari or Chouji in neutral conditions? I personally think Temari can take it with high difficulty but I agree with you that Temari can't cut Chouji in half and that Chouji is overall stronger.
Correct Ashura's name from Asura to Ashura in tier 3.

I think that Chouji could take it, and "Asura" is how its spelled in the VIZ translation.

Add BM Naruto to tier 6.

Will do.

Bee should be dropped to tier 8 IMO.

He's a bigger threat to most of the higher tiers than most of the people in tier 9 are, and he'd beat most of them handily as well. He should stay in Tier 7.

Mu and 2nd Mizukage should be moved up a tier IMO.

Ok.

Deidara should be moved up a tier IMO.

Deidara said that Sasori was stronger than him, don't see why he should be a whole tier below Deidara.

Add Asuma, Sai, Dodai and Kankuro to tier 11. Chiyo can be added to either tier 10 or tier 11.

Alright.

Nah Mu was portrayed to be on a whole other level compared to Onoki.

You have a point. Onoki did need help to fight against Mu, so I'll move him uo.

 

[Omar19992010]

Shouldn't Hagoromo without the Juubi be in the same tier as 3 Eyed Madara since he gave all his Chakra to Naruto and Sasuke and they were matching him Pretty evenly.

 

[KidGamer65]

Shouldn't Hagoromo without the Juubi be in the same tier as 3 Eyed Madara since he gave all his Chakra to Naruto and Sasuke and they were matching him Pretty evenly.

Nah. JJ Hagoromo is the one who gave his power to Naruto and Sasuke. I don't think that Hagoromo during the Kaguya fight is strong enough to beat Madara when the latter has Hagoromo's own chakra, both his original eyes and the Juubi.

 

[Nattana]

SM Kabuto should be moved to tier 7 and current, Edo-less Orochimaru should be moved to the top of tier 8.
Chiyo and Kitsuchi definitely 1 tier up.
Danzo should be actually able to one-shot 90% of tier 9 and 8.

Also, Hagoromo definitely isn't a tier above 3-eyed Madara.

 

[Draegod]

Are you ranking prime Hanzo? I'd also rank Prime Hiruzen as well and old Hanzo too because you have old Hiruzen and Sannin fight Hanzo but not the other version of both characters.

Anyway who do you think wins, Temari or Chouji in neutral conditions? I personally think Temari can take it with high difficulty but I agree with you that Temari can't cut Chouji in half and that Chouji is overall stronger.
Correct Ashura's name from Asura to Ashura in tier 3.


Add BM Naruto to tier 6.

Bee should be dropped to tier 8 IMO.

Mu and 2nd Mizukage should be moved up a tier IMO.

Deidara should be moved up a tier IMO.

Add Asuma, Sai, Dodai and Kankuro to tier 11. Chiyo can be added to either tier 10 or tier 11.


Your triangle analogy is wrong. Jinton will form a conical area of destruction, not a triangular one. This is because the length of Onoki's jinton remains constant but the height of the triangle straight ahead is a lot smaller than the length of the sides of a triangle. The height of the triangle is essentially the length between the bottom vertex (corner) with the midpoint in between the top line segment. The length of the triangle's side are the two lines at the side. You should be able to understand what I'm saying if you have basic trig and geometrical sense.


It isn't exactly like a flashlight, jinton beam is a lot larger than the caster so Onoki won't be able to see Naruto jump up so Onoki has no reason to wave it upwards. Jinton creates a lot of noise so he won't know Naruto jumped. Muu can sense Naruto's location though.

Nah Mu was portrayed to be on a whole other level compared to Onoki.

Actually my analogy is 100% correct and I even gave proof to back it up! What you don't get that me and KG got is that it's a Beam that he can wave back and forward. I never stated he can create a triangle, don't know where you got that from. To make it super simple:

I raise my arm and point my hand to the left of me. I then move by arm from west to east and am now pointing to the Right of me. I then reverse what I did and keep going from left to right-right to left. Get it? It is nothing to point and move and keep doing that like the fact he rotated with no diff when he was severely injured and was unconscious before hand.

lol If i see that my target jumped (with my own two eyes) why wouldn't i raise the beam slightly to the sky for an easy kill?????? It isn't rocket science. I'll break it down even super simple (KG instantly got what I was saying); The reason i used a flash light example was because the beam fires fast and is easy to control (since it is like a kamehameha wave for simpler terms). I point the flash light, the light hits what ever area i aim it at. Now if i point it to another direction and location what happens to the light? Does the light stay where it was? Or does the light go where I now pointed it at the new location? Get it now???

 

[lucario14]

If orochimaru and kabuto are in 4th tier because of edo tensei, why isn't tobirama there?

Also BM naruto and BSM naruto are in the same tier even though bsm is stronger but not by much.

Also I think hagoromo should be in the same tier as dual rinnegan post shinju madara and kaguya should be on her own.

Also I don't know that ems madara with and without kurama should be in different tiers because kurama wouldn't put ems madara a tier higher...sm hashirama and ems madara should be in the same tier, seeing how their edo versions went tow to tow against each other in the war.

Other than that great list

 

[Conspirator.]

If orochimaru and kabuto are in 4th tier because of edo tensei, why isn't tobirama there?

Because Tobirama's edos are fodder compared to Orochimaru and Kabuto. Plus he did not use his edos the way those 2 did(as puppets) but to blow up battlefields with explosions via GFK. He isn't as strong as Oro/Kabuto

Also BM naruto and BSM naruto are in the same tier even though bsm is stronger but not by much.

Actually there is a difference as SM increases your strength by a certain factor. He's definitely much stronger IMO.

Also I don't know that ems madara with and without kurama should be in different tiers because kurama wouldn't put ems madara a tier higher...sm hashirama and ems madara should be in the same tier, seeing how their edo versions went tow to tow against each other in the war.

Other than that great list

Kurama makes a big difference to his power level, due to bijuu dama spam increasing his DC. Without Kurama,EMS madara is roughly around Base Hashirama's level.(that could be added to the list too)

 

[lucario14]

Because Tobirama's edos are fodder compared to Orochimaru and Kabuto. Plus he did not use his edos the way those 2 did(as puppets) but to blow up battlefields with explosions via GFK. He isn't as strong as Oro/Kabuto

But he is a senju. Yea I guess you're right.

Actually there is a difference as SM increases your strength by a certain factor. He's definitely much stronger IMO.

Not a whole tier stronger though. Unless you think bsm naruto was more powerful from the fight against juubito. I didn't see any great feats to say otherwise.

Kurama makes a big difference to his power level, due to bijuu dama spam increasing his DC. Without Kurama,EMS madara is roughly around Base Hashirama's level.(that could be added to the list too)

Kurama alone would get slaughtered by madara's PS. But yeah again of course it's stronger but a whole tier? Madara did say hashirama's sage mode was disappointing and he did struggle a bit with ems sasuke. The shinsuusenju was very strong too but a whole tier above wood dragons?