So do people actually Believe in Absolute Dicatorship or just Fanboyism?

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Cool beans .​

 

[Dantee]

I believe in Sasukism. haters gon hate.

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Sasuke way of doing his plan has flaws narutos way will lead to more pain death and war and only a small lasting peace

Right because when the villagers wake up and realize Sasuke executed their leaders there won't be instant rebellions and fighting, but i'd love to hear how Naruto's way will lead to more fighting than Sasuke's?

 

[salamander uchiha]

The kages are all dictators and absolute at that. In case you havent noticed kishi tries to make dictatorship look cool.
Whats your point?
I dont have a prkblem with dictarshio as long as it doesnt rake my rights from me. I prefer that to democracy where i elect somebody who votes for a policy which takes my freedom from me. Yes i could vote him out but my right has been lost and it assumes the next guy will restore or preserge my rights. From what i have observed over the years is dictators inforce there will through an iron fisf(generally not all) and in democracy you are fooled into giving up your right under the illusion of freedom. One takes it causes rebelion one makes you give it up by giving you the illusion of choice(not very different in the end result only in the method to achieve the end result.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

The kages are all dictators and absolute at that. In case you havent noticed kishi tries to make dictatorship look cool.
Whats your point?
I dont have a prkblem with dictarshio as long as it doesnt rake my rights from me. I prefer that to democracy where i elect somebody who votes for a policy which takes my freedom from me. Yes i could vote him out but my right has been lost and it assumes the next guy will restore or preserge my rights. From what i have observed over the years is dictators inforce there will through an iron fisf(generally not all) and in democracy you are fooled into giving up your right under the illusion of freedom. One takes it causes rebelion one makes you give it up by giving you the illusion of choice(not very different in the end result only in the method to achieve the end result.

They're not dictators, they're democratically elected, and have councils to ensure they don't have absolute power.

 

[Dannie]

Riker Slade pretty much said everything I would say.

 

[Punk Hazard]

They're not dictators, they're democratically elected, and have councils to ensure they don't have absolute power.

A became leader because his father was, Kumogakure is more of a monarchy. That alone shows that not all of them are democracies. In fact, the Feudal Lords also appointed Kakashi as Hokage, there was no election. Danzo just kinda appointed himself. Tsunade also wasn't elected, Jiraiya decided she was gonna be Hokage. Hiruzen was also deemed Hokage on the spot by Tobirama, no election. Minato was chosen by Hiruzen. The only Hokage that was actually elected was Hashirama.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

A became leader because his father was, Kumogakure is more of a monarchy. That alone shows that not all of them are democracies. In fact, the Feudal Lords also appointed Kakashi as Hokage, there was no election. Danzo just kinda appointed himself. Tsunade also wasn't elected, Jiraiya decided she was gonna be Hokage.

Ay was also the most powerful man next to his father and easily the most fit to lead the village.
And as for the Hokage examples, you still need to be voted in by the majority of the Jounin, as seen when Danzo was worried about the Jounin not voting for him. It's clear that Tsunade, a Sannin would be voted in, and Kakashi, one of the most notorious shinobi would as well.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Ay was also the most powerful man next to his father and easily the most fit to lead the village.
And as for the Hokage examples, you still need to be voted in by the majority of the Jounin, as seen when Danzo was worried about the Jounin not voting for him. It's clear that Tsunade, a Sannin would be voted in, and Kakashi, one of the most notorious shinobi would as well.

The Danzo part is the only one that actually counters what I said. The rest were given the positions without any actual elections or consent from the people.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

A became leader because his father was, Kumogakure is more of a monarchy. That alone shows that not all of them are democracies. In fact, the Feudal Lords also appointed Kakashi as Hokage, there was no election. Danzo just kinda appointed himself. Tsunade also wasn't elected, Jiraiya decided she was gonna be Hokage. Hiruzen was also deemed Hokage on the spot by Tobirama, no election. Minato was chosen by Hiruzen. The only Hokage that was actually elected was Hashirama.

Good point, although, Hashirama intended it to be a democratic affair, hence his election.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

The Danzo part is the only one that actually counters what I said. The rest were given the positions without any actual elections or consent from the people.

There could have been an offscreen election. Also, mots of this happened in a dire situation, Kakashi was put in charge by the daimyo because there was no leader at the time and he was the only one capable of doing it, same with Hiruzen, Tsunade, and Danzo. Hiruzen may have wanted Minato to be hokage, but the fact that he was already a national hero makes the election for him a possibility.

 

[Punk Hazard]

There could have been an offscreen election. Also, mots of this happened in a dire situation, Kakashi was put in charge by the daimyo because there was no leader at the time and he was the only one capable of doing it, same with Hiruzen, Tsunade, and Danzo. Hiruzen may have wanted Minato to be hokage, but the fact that he was already a national hero makes the election for him a possibility.

Yeah, except there were no elections. "Dire need" doesn't make it okay. Konoha isn't a democracy.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Yeah, except there were no elections. "Dire need" doesn't make it okay. Konoha isn't a democracy.

What makes you so sure, they never exactly showed what happened. Besides, in the US, when a president dies, people don't just vote for a Vice President, he automatically assumes the presidency. Also, Sasuke's plan wouldn't be a democracy either, not if everyone who stands in his way has to die. Hell, his government would be the worst of all, a true dictatorship.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Yeah, except there were no elections. "Dire need" doesn't make it okay. Konoha isn't a democracy.

If Obama and Joe Biden die and John Boehner assumes the position as president, is this country no longer a democracy because we didn't vote him into office? And there most likely was an election for Tsunade, but we were not shown it because it wasn't relevant to the plot. Would it make sense that Danzo would have to be voted in but Tsunade would not?

 

[Punk Hazard]

What makes you so sure, they never exactly showed what happened. Besides, in the US, when a president dies, people don't just vote for a Vice President, he automatically assumes the presidency. Also, Sasuke's plan wouldn't be a democracy either, not if everyone who stands in his way has to die. Hell, his government would be the worst of all, a true dictatorship.

Because Tobirama didn't say "I nominate you to be Hokage", Tobirama declared Hiruzen Hokage. The Daimyo declared Kakashi Hokage, they didn't nominate him. In fact, I remember Gai saying he heard Kakashi got the position of Hokage or something like that. Show me the election for Kakashi? Tsunade? Minato? Tobirama? Hiruzen?

 

[Mad Daz]

Yes, it's fully possible that someone like that can start a democracy. Once again, you don't know what Sasuke's revolution entails. You don't know the details. How do you know Sasuke's plan is to kill the Kages and Naruto because their influence is too great? What if the Kages and Naruto will have the wrong ideas that will create further chaos, but people listen to them instead because of influence?



We still have the possibility that Sasuke's plan is unification under a reasonable rule. However, what if the Kages, who are already leaders, prevent negotiations? One of you against Sasuke's way said it already, what makes you think the Kages are willing to listen to Sasuke? How do you know Sasuke isn't aiming to kill the Kages and Naruto so that there is no one who will stop him from proposing his ideals? How do you know Sasuke isn't aiming to kill them because he knows that they won't listen, and won't allow him to even say his ideals to people? How do you know people won't support Sasuke's ideals once he tells them to people?

You say Sasuke was willing to destroy an entire village, so his rule will be anything but fair, it will be a dicatorship. What about Gaara, who took part in the attack on Konoha that was meant to destroy the village, and stated how he wanted to kill everyone he came across just to feel alive? Is he a dictator? Nope. Not only that, but you're supporting him.

Sasuke can't be a leader because he was once part of Akatsuki, a terrorist organization, tell me, who did Oonoki hire again?

We are all ignorant to what Sasuke's plans are, so none of us can say whether or not it'll be a righteous success or an evil failure. All any of us can do is give him the benefit of a doubt. Whatever you say, at the end of the day, one thing remains fact: We just don't know.

You are truley delusional lol.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You are truley delusional lol.

Shallow words.

 

[Punk Hazard]

If Obama and Joe Biden die and John Boehner assumes the position as president, is this country no longer a democracy because we didn't vote him into office? And there most likely was an election for Tsunade, but we were not shown it because it wasn't relevant to the plot. Would it make sense that Danzo would have to be voted in but Tsunade would not?

Not the same. When someone runs for president, they bring a potential vice-president with them. When people elect a president, they elect the person that ran with them as vice-president as well. When people vote for someone to be president, they also take into consideration who's running with him, and he is elected with the president. There is no vice-Hokage. It'd be like Obama is about to die and he rings up Steven Colbert and says "You're president now."

 

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The Danzo part is the only one that actually counters what I said. The rest were given the positions without any actual elections or consent from the people.

Allof them still had to be voted in by Jounin councils,it doesn't matter if they were a shoe in the fact that they had to be voted in debunks any crap about Kages being a dictatorship.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Allof them still had to be voted in by Jounin councils,it doesn't matter if they were a shoe in the fact that they had to be voted in debunks any crap about Kages being a dictatorship.

I'd like a page of where it was said the Jonin will vote. I need to check up on something. It seems like if the Hokage dies before selecting a new Hokage, then the Jonins vote. If the Hokage selects one while alive, there is no vote. The page may clarify on this.