So do people actually Believe in Absolute Dicatorship or just Fanboyism?

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OP makes a good point.

Anybody who supports Sasuke also supports absolute rule, and a utopian society.

Not saying that's right or wrong, but just saying.
 

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I believe in temporary dictatorship it basicly means that I accept dictating as a foundation for a better system, to push democracy to forcefully creates more chaos which ruins the democracy anyway. You are stupid if you think Sasuke would be a complete dictator bythe way, perhaps you want to make him look bad i dunno.
 

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The world united under "one" kage is better than 5 different kages.

It's not a dictatorship because Sasuke is not going to rule harshly like Kaguya.

Obviously people will be fighting over small things but it won't be of the scale of today, if the tailed beasts are eliminated or sealed far off the earth.
 
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I believe in temporary dictatorship it basicly means that I accept dictating as a foundation for a better system, to push democracy to forcefully creates more chaos which ruins the democracy anyway. You are stupid if you think Sasuke would be a complete dictator bythe way, perhaps you want to make him look bad i dunno.

That's all in theory, and history has shown us that theory =/= in practice, especially when we're dealing with ideology and ways to govern a united body.

If there's one thing that's been pushed on us throughout the series, it's that Sasuke and most of the Uchiha are easily corruptible, from Madara to Fugaku, from Izuna to Obito. Really Itachi and Shisui have been those rare exceptions. And if it's easily for someone like Sasuke to easily fall into darkness for the pursuit of power, imagine how corrupt he could possibly get when given all the power in the Shinobi world.
 

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The only reason the 5 nations united was because they had a common enemy threatening to destroy the world, even ohnoki admitted this. When the war ends things will go back to the old way without some type of change/revolution.

What a post, you spoke my mind. Repped and thanked!

Sasuke sees through this unlike naive Nerdo, thats why he wants to start the revolution.
 

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That's all in theory, and history has shown us that theory =/= in practice, especially when we're dealing with ideology and ways to govern a united body.

If there's one thing that's been pushed on us throughout the series, it's that Sasuke and most of the Uchiha are easily corruptible, from Madara to Fugaku, from Izuna to Obito. Really Itachi and Shisui have been those rare exceptions. And if it's easily for someone like Sasuke to easily fall into darkness for the pursuit of power, imagine how corrupt he could possibly get when given all the power in the Shinobi world.

And what if the alternatives are a theory that may work and a slightly different practice that failed in the past numerous of times?
 

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And what if the alternatives are a theory that may work and a slightly different practice that failed in the past numerous of times?

????

Your wording of that phrase was not the best. :|

Well, this is what happens when I go AFK, I miss out on a lot
 

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Do you even realise all country including America are based on revolution and "dictatorship" aka government?
 

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Yes, it's fully possible that someone like that can start a democracy. Once again, you don't know what Sasuke's revolution entails. You don't know the details. How do you know Sasuke's plan is to kill the Kages and Naruto because their influence is too great? What if the Kages and Naruto will have the wrong ideas that will create further chaos, but people listen to them instead because of influence?



We still have the possibility that Sasuke's plan is unification under a reasonable rule. However, what if the Kages, who are already leaders, prevent negotiations? One of you against Sasuke's way said it already, what makes you think the Kages are willing to listen to Sasuke? How do you know Sasuke isn't aiming to kill the Kages and Naruto so that there is no one who will stop him from proposing his ideals? How do you know Sasuke isn't aiming to kill them because he knows that they won't listen, and won't allow him to even say his ideals to people? How do you know people won't support Sasuke's ideals once he tells them to people?

You say Sasuke was willing to destroy an entire village, so his rule will be anything but fair, it will be a dicatorship. What about Gaara, who took part in the attack on Konoha that was meant to destroy the village, and stated how he wanted to kill everyone he came across just to feel alive? Is he a dictator? Nope. Not only that, but you're supporting him.

Sasuke can't be a leader because he was once part of Akatsuki, a terrorist organization, tell me, who did Oonoki hire again?

We are all ignorant to what Sasuke's plans are, so none of us can say whether or not it'll be a righteous success or an evil failure. All any of us can do is give him the benefit of a doubt. Whatever you say, at the end of the day, one thing remains fact: We just don't know.

So people need to die solely so Sasuke can present his ideals?

Just for that alone?

Do tell, how many more people will have to die if they don't agree with his ideals, how many have to die for his revolution?

He has just killed their beloved leaders, why would anyone listen to him anyway, they will try to kill him for that alone.
 

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Do you even realise all country including America are based on revolution and "dictatorship" aka government?

As mentioned by other members including myself, the US has been a rare exception because of the events occurring at the time (The Great Enlightenment, etc) I can pull many more revolutions (and revolutionaries) that did end in dictatorships with negative results, Russia and Lenin, France and Napoleon, China and Mao Zedong. :|

Revolutions in general are rarely a success.
 

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Your wording of that phrase was not the best. :|

Well, this is what happens when I go AFK, I miss out on a lot
What I'm saying is, if the choices are a theory that could fix the world, and practices that have ruined the world before, just slightly different this time, which sound better?
So people need to die solely so Sasuke can present his ideals?

Just for that alone?

Do tell, how many more people will have to die if they don't agree with his ideals, how many have to die for his revolution?

He has just killed their beloved leaders, why would anyone listen to him anyway, they will try to kill him for that alone.

If his ideals save the world, then yes. If his ideals can actually fix the world, then those that he killed because they stood in the way are the actual bad guys, not him.
 

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What I'm saying is, if the choices are a theory that could fix the world, and practices that have ruined the world before, just slightly different this time, which sound better?


If his ideals save the world, then yes. If his ideals can actually fix the world, then those that he killed because they stood in the way are the actual bad guys, not him.

That's some f*cled up logic there, buddy, by definition, if Sasuke needs to kill people to achieve his plan, then clearly it's not utopia, either way, utopia is impossible, hence it meaning "no place" maybe never ending peace simply isn't possible, and that's why the other villains failed.
 

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That's some f*cled up logic there, buddy, by definition, if Sasuke needs to kill people to achieve his plan, then clearly it's not utopia, either way, utopia is impossible, hence it meaning "no place" maybe never ending peace simply isn't possible, and that's why the other villains failed.

Call it whatever you want, but, ironically, it's reality. Sometimes, you gotta kill to achieve a greater good. Hussein, Hitler, Osama, all examples of this. If maintaining peace and happiness for millions means killing a few, then so be it, that's just how it is.

The idea that shedding of blood is never a necessity, that everything can be solved with just words, and morals, and rainbows and feel-goods all around, it's childish.
 
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Defiantly fanboyism
Sasuke could rape every female in NV and kill every kid and they'll still spread their butt cheeks and take it
Lel this Sasuke's sheeps will always follow what he does, Believe it

Do you even realise all country including America are based on revolution and "dictatorship" aka government?
Lol can't stop laughing at how stupid that is.
 
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Yeah I also find it weird that some people actually think that what Sasuke's doing, is good, and will change things for the better.
 
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I still don't get why are people confusing/mixing Naruto's result with Sasuke's methods; claiming bloodshed will lead to peace, when Sasuke has never mentioned peace.
 

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If the current system is shit then yes why not. I feel like naruto can do a good job too but sasuke just doesn't trust him. I hope sasuke comes to realize that naruto (at least I hope) won't let the world go into the shits.

A change and hence revolution is needed but dictatorship is bad news. He needs to come to his senses otherwise he'll be another victim to tragedy. So fanboyism
 

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Sasuke way of doing his plan has flaws narutos way will lead to more pain death and war and only a small lasting peace
 

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A revolution is needed in the shinobi world.Actually all the hidden villages forming an Shinobi Alliance to fight Akatsuki is itself a Revolution according to me.

But Sasuke's way of removing all the rulers and adopt a dictatorship policy is really wrong.That way peace wont last long.Its just Fanboyism.
 
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