Sasuke isn't evil and his decision totally makes sense

[WalksInShadows]

I have never got a scan from anyone where Sasuke has stated he wanted peace, why is that? Seriously why are people embellishing the manga to combine Naruto's plan for peace with Sasuke's methods. So far Sasuke wants to destroy the system and rebuild it, that doesn't equal I want peace.

now that you mention it, i never saw the word "peace" or any phrase resembling "end to conflict" anywhere in his reasoning either.

 

[EMack114]

Hey; if the boy is trying to make a better world, than killing the Kage may have been necessary. For the good of the entire flock, a few sheep may need to be sacrificed. After all, how many of those Kage are going to permit the disintegration of the Shinobi system? That's how they make their money. The entire Naruto world is dependent on the Shinobi lifestyle which is dependent on war, death, (in theory, in this case) stealth, and subterfuge. Honesty and Shinobi are kinda Oxymoron's...especially when certain villages still hate each other (like Iwagakure). Comparing Hitler to Sasuke is a little much (even though Hitler may have just been trying to make a perfect Germany; I can't fault him for the idea, but I can for proposing the method, even though if Germany hadn't listened or put him in power, that whole situation would've never got off the ground).

Granted some Kage might have worked together (probably just Suna and Konoha) but the others would've scrambled to get the tailed beasts (as they should; why work for peace when I can dominate the market?). If I was a Kage, my mindset would be to become the strongest village and establish peace by having all the villages under my thumb.....an idea that has probably ran through most of the others Kage's head (all except Tsunade because Konoha is the "Good" Village).

Sasuke fans are not deluded; in order for peace to truly exist, one must A) take away the War Toys (Tailed Beasts, Weapons and the Shinobi System), (B) Take away free will (via Eye of the Moon), or (C), my personal favorite, have one NEUTRAL, FANATICAL person (like Pain) hold all the cards and make an example out of one village (by destroying it, of course), therefore "encouraging" all other villages to play nice, and actively maintaining that level of control (squashing rebellions, sabotage, killing those who get too loud, etc.). It's not a pretty method, this is true, but they live in a shinobi world; you can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs.

 

[BLAZE]

I have never got a scan from anyone where Sasuke has stated he wanted peace, why is that? Seriously why are people embellishing the manga to combine Naruto's plan for peace with Sasuke's methods. So far Sasuke wants to destroy the system and rebuild it, that doesn't equal I want peace.

Clearly
Sasuke is realist and he will not go for that fanfiction
Call him Evil Good or whatever he is the one trying to get rid of the System dat is responsible for him and his hatred
Ending a brutal system with brutal force.
Now lets see what happens rather making Hitler and Jesus troll fanfictions

 

[saw2097]

Hey; if the boy is trying to make a better world, than killing the Kage may have been necessary. For the good of the entire flock, a few sheep may need to be sacrificed. After all, how many of those Kage are going to permit the disintegration of the Shinobi system? That's how they make their money. The entire Naruto world is dependent on the Shinobi lifestyle which is dependent on war, death, (in theory, in this case) stealth, and subterfuge. Honesty and Shinobi are kinda Oxymoron's...especially when certain villages still hate each other (like Iwagakure). Comparing Hitler to Sasuke is a little much (even though Hitler may have just been trying to make a perfect Germany; I can't fault him for the idea, but I can for proposing the method, even though if Germany hadn't listened or put him in power, that whole situation would've never got off the ground).

Granted some Kage might have worked together (probably just Suna and Konoha) but the others would've scrambled to get the tailed beasts (as they should; why work for peace when I can dominate the market?). If I was a Kage, my mindset would be to become the strongest village and establish peace by having all the villages under my thumb.....an idea that has probably ran through most of the others Kage's head (all except Tsunade because Konoha is the "Good" Village).

Sasuke fans are not deluded; in order for peace to truly exist, one must A) take away the War Toys (Tailed Beasts, Weapons and the Shinobi System), (B) Take away free will (via Eye of the Moon), or (C), my personal favorite, have one NEUTRAL, FANATICAL person (like Pain) hold all the cards and make an example out of one village (by destroying it, of course), therefore "encouraging" all other villages to play nice, and actively maintaining that level of control (squashing rebellions, sabotage, killing those who get too loud, etc.). It's not a pretty method, this is true, but they live in a shinobi world; you can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs.

Except for when the war starts to overthrow the tyrant, the killing under Sasuke's rule will never stop.

Which defeats the entire purpose as the whole point of stopping wars and changing the system is to prevent any more killing.

 

[narutoblitz]

I felt Sauce laid it out pretty clearly. He's putting this war right at the doorstep of the 5 Kage. Their greed and pursuing the TB's power has caused all these wars and the failed, corrupt ninja system. Frankly, I think he's right. Naruto has no answer to this, at least not yet.

Sasuke isn't trying to take over the world, and he isn't Hitler or Nagato. He's trying to destroy chakra, by taking out the worlds leaders and destroying the chakra fruit and TB. Also probably by sealing the Sage.

Obito blamed reality, Madara was a psychophant trying to become God. Sasuke's middle road to their insanity is to merely blame the current political system. Naruto becoming Hokage would just maintain a corrupt and broken status quo. Naruto has to answer how he intends to be Hokage, before he really earns that right.

EDIT:

I don't think Sasuke intends to take over the world, I think he intends to die alongside Naruto and the TB.

 

[saw2097]

Clearly
Sasuke is realist and he will not go for that fanfiction
Call him Evil Good or whatever he is the one trying to get rid of the System dat is responsible for him and [his hatred[/B]
Ending a brutal system with brutal force.
Now lets see what happens rather making Hitler and Jesus troll fanfictions

Actually it is a common tyrant argument that their leadership will bring peace or improve things in some way.

I believe there was a book written on the idea that the leader must have absolute power in order to maintain order, the author was basically pro tyranny.

 

[V h o]

Clearly
Sasuke is realist and he will not go for that fanfiction
Call him Evil Good or whatever he is the one trying to get rid of the System dat is responsible for him and [his hatred[/B]
Ending a brutal system with brutal force.
Now lets see what happens rather making Hitler and Jesus troll fanfictions

That same logic/reasoning will lead to his "utopian" system being plagued by revolutions caused by unhappy ninja whose brute force will fight his until he ultimately dies or they die out, leading to Sasuke causing future genocides

Edit:

now that you mention it, i never saw the word "peace" or any phrase resembling "end to conflict" anywhere in his reasoning either.

It never has been, but people want it to so it can seem "realistic". It wouldn't surprise me if Sasuke's new system is just with the uchiha on top.

 

[BLAZE]

That same logic/reasoning will lead to his "utopian" system being plagued by revolutions caused by unhappy ninja whose brute force will fight his until he ultimately dies or they die out, leading to Sasuke causing future genocides

Clearly dats why i m trying wait for the next chp to see what it he wants to do becoz none of the shinobi nation will be listening to him.But then wankers call naruto's plan stupid and hate fapbots call sasuke Hitler we r here debating on a useless topic where the char has just announced intial part of his cruel plan leading towards formation of stable system

Actually it is a common tyrant argument that their leadership will bring peace or improve things in some way.

I believe there was a book written on the idea that the leader must have absolute power in order to maintain order, the author was basically pro tyranny.

Thats what kages r doing till now and the current system supports it too
Don't care about such books.

 

[narutoblitz]

I still argue Sauce is an anti-hero, rather than a villain or evil. Madara was truly evil, as was Kaguya.

 

[saw2097]

Clearly dats why i m trying wait for the next chp to see what it he wants to do becoz none of the shinobi nation will be listening to him.But then wankers call naruto's plan stupid and hate fapbots call sasuke Hitler we r here debating on a useless topic where the char has just announced intial part of his cruel plan leading towards formation of stable system



Thats what kages r doing till now and the current system supports it too
Don't care about such books.

The Kage's were elected and people support their rule.

Remember Itachi's little speech about what it takes to be a Kage.

Mei actually is the whole reason the Hidden Mist village was reformed, her leadership led to the village loosing its name as the Blood Mist Village.

Gaara has been arguing for international cooperation.

And Tsuande risks her life for her people.

How is any of that tyranny or ruling through fear?

 

[BLAZE]

I still argue Sauce is an anti-hero, rather than a villain or evil. Madara was truly evil, as was Kaguya.

No currently he is AntiVillian.
And whatever u say dosen't change the fact murdering or killing someone is Cruel

The Kage's were elected and people support their rule.

Remember Itachi's little speech about what it takes to be a Kage.

Mei actually is the whole reason the Hidden Mist village was reformed, her leadership led to the village loosing its name as the Blood Mist Village.

Gaara has been arguing for international cooperation.

And Tsuande risks her life for her people.

How is any of that tyranny or ruling through fear?

Bingo
dats where the Bull$#!t lies
u guys r pretty damn sure dat sasuke's system and Revolution will be failure and the same trying shows kages attempt of peace and alliance which has been tried several times in past and ended in faliure.But u ignore it.
That ninja system breeds child soldiers;hardcore nationalists spilling blood on name of peace and sacrificing others life like nothing alongside people thirsty for personal gains.
Those kages need to change the whole system rather than keep blabbering and keep wanking naruto and leaving everything to him like they r helpless.
In other words they need to grow some b@lls and execute what they can do rather than blabbering

 

[V h o]

Clearly dats why i m trying wait for the next chp to see what it he wants to do becoz none of the shinobi nation will be listening to him.But then wankers call naruto's plan stupid and hate fapbots call sasuke Hitler we r here debating on a useless topic where the char has just announced intial part of his cruel plan leading towards formation of stable system

His initial part of his plan is already sheet, the only saving grace of people following him is genjutsu. No one is going to want their leader killed by some guy, claiming the system is flawed and needs to be destroyed. This whole SA thing is already proving the system is changing and Sasuke wants to destroy even that.

 

[BLAZE]

His initial part of his plan is already sheet, the only saving grace of people following him is genjutsu. No one is going to want their leader killed by some guy, claiming the system is flawed and needs to be destroyed. This whole SA thing is already proving the system is changing and Sasuke wants to destroy even that.

clearly dats why am waiting to see what he plans next.
Yes clearly the first kages to work alongside ever but no gaurantee when their successor will backstab each others and someone with lust for power and personal gain like Danzo will eat it.
This has bee the truth of current shinobi system alliances over the year sadly.
The kages should grow b@lls and start the peace and changing the current system thing rather than just blabbering

 

[V h o]

clearly dats why am waiting to see what he plans next.
Yes clearly the first kages to work alongside ever but no gaurantee when their successor will backstab each others and someone with lust for power and personal gain like Danzo will eat it.
This has bee the truth of current shinobi system alliances over the year sadly.
The kages should grow b@lls and start the peace and changing the current system thing rather than just blabbering

At bold, refer to Naruto's plan/goal. Raikage, Hokage, and kazekage are already behind Naruto. Furthermore ninshuu would connect everyone, so future generations would still be effected.

Keep hope alive then...I can't see Sasuke changing his plans when he doesn't even care about what people think and has already came up with such a draconian plan, but anything can/could happen.

 

[Ultimateone]

you people are getting ridiculous. i don't even think we can have a serious conversation. especially with the guy that said hitler wasn't evil. you people are crazy.

 

[BLAZE]

At bold, refer to Naruto's plan/goal. Raikage, Hokage, and kazekage are already behind Naruto. Furthermore ninshuu would connect everyone, so future generations would still be effected.

Keep hope alive then...I can't see Sasuke changing his plans when he doesn't even care about what people think and has already came up with such a draconian plan, but anything can/could happen.

No what i meant was they should grow b@lls rather than wanking naruto and his ideals and leaving everything too him.They should understand they r alive and can contribute too.Ninshuu is gonna be crap and it will give the same effect what ninjutsu did.
It's not like if take out all of the guns people will not kill.
Don't know about that i will rather wait and see.
Though i m out for sleep.I have to attend my Lectures tomorrow.BYE

you people are getting ridiculous. i don't even think we can have a serious conversation. especially with the guy that said hitler wasn't evil. you people are crazy.

and everyone said he was talking bull$#!t SO

 

[Zawerni]

The Tailed Beasts can't be killed. They will just revive later on. The Three Tails was already killed once when Rin died, and Raikage said he would kill Naruto if he didn't go back to the turtle island so he could stall the enemy's plans until the Nine Tails revived.

The Five Kage are just as much a victim to the system as anyone else. Only difference is they have lived longer and thus have experienced more harm and despair from it. Gaara may not have lived as long as the rest, but he was also a Jinchuriki, was looked down on by his entire village, and his own father sent assassins after him.

 

[V h o]

No what i meant was they should grow b@lls rather than wanking naruto and his ideals and leaving everything too him.They should understand they r alive and can contribute too.Ninshuu is gonna be crap and it will give the same effect what ninjutsu did.
It's not like if take out all of the guns people will not kill.
Don't know about that i will rather wait and see.
Though i m out for sleep.I have to attend my Lectures tomorrow.BYE

Well ninshuu is litterally using chakra to connect people, not even used for fighting. lel it is the embodiment of TNJ. Furthermore it would effect people's ideology so having weapons wouldn't matter if they didn't want to use them. It would be nice if the kages all had Naruto's plan/ideology but not everyone is MLK, Gandhi, etc. so someone will have to lead them- that being Naruto. Either way have a good sleep and have fun at your lecture...if that's possible lel.

 

[Ultimateone]

first of, killing the bijuu does nothing. killing them means they will just be reborn at some random spot later. sealing them is the only real option and they can just be unsealed later. killing them will also not end chakra, thus ninjutsu. also, even if they could take away chakra war can still happen. even in the story before chakra there was endless wars. that was the whole reason kaguya even ate the chakra fruit. also, what you are failing to realize is, naruto is already changing the world. you keep claiming that naruto is naive or just some kid in a jumpsuit, but you're wrong. naruto wants to bring peace through understanding. sasuke wants to bring peace through tyranny. sasuke's peace is forced and wont last as people will eventually just kill him. i could go on.

 

[jiraiya nindo]

The chain of hatred would be continued only if naruto killed sasuke and there were other uchihas to get upset over it or feel mistreated. Being that sasuke is the very last uchiha and everyone else is still in the IT, I think naruto should just kill sasuke. Nobody would know any difference and there are no other uchiha to carry out his will.

Kill sasuke and end the cycle of hatred lol.