My final top 10.

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Proof that it's a regular one?​

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Huh ?​

 

[Rιver]

Huh ?​

Something wrong...? Or did this just surprise you?​

 

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Something wrong...? Or did this just surprise you?​

Don't get how the scan is supposed to answer my question.​

 

[Demonic.]

1). Madara/Hagoromo (Jinchuuriki)
2). Kaguya
3). Hamura
4). Obito (Jinchuuriki)
5). Indra/Ashura
6). Kakashi
7). Naruto/Sasuke
8). Danzo/Shisui
9). Kabuto
10). Nagato​

Nagato > Hashirama and PS Madz?

 

[Rιver]

Don't get how the scan is supposed to answer my question.​

I said he has the regular Rinn'egan instead of tomoed in the place of third eye. You asked proof for this. I provided with an image where he clearly has no tomoe over his third eye. Unless you meant something else, I did answer the question.​

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I said he has the regular Rinn'egan instead of tomoed in the place of third eye. You asked proof for this. I provided with an image where he clearly has no tomoe over his third eye. Unless you meant something else, I did answer the question.​

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First, my question never related to Hagoromo. My question was based on how you assumed that the 3rd eye is is supposedly greater than the purple Rinnegan, hence why I asked you the question. Second, that's not his 3rd eye, it's a symbol. The real eye is hidden behind it. Unfortunately, you haven't answered the question.​

 

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First, my question never related to Hagoromo. My question was based on how you assumed that the 3rd eye is is supposedly greater than the purple Rinnegan, hence why I asked you the question. Second, that's not his 3rd eye, it's a symbol. The real eye is hidden behind it. Unfortunately, you haven't answered the question.​

You asked me proof that it's a regular one? How does that even link to your question now? Anyway, what we've seen it's most likely stronger. Mainly due to the fact that one is able to perform strong S/T techniques with samsāra and not with the other as seen in the manga. Also, you would have had a point if you didn't just contradict yourself. If it's just a symbol (perhaps... paper?), what proves he has an eye behind it? I guess nothing.​

 

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You asked me proof that it's a regular one? How does that even link to your question now? Anyway, what we've seen it's most likely stronger. Mainly due to the fact that one is able to perform strong S/T techniques with samsāra and not with the other as seen in the manga. Also, you would have had a point if you didn't just contradict yourself. If it's just a symbol (perhaps... paper?), what proves he has an eye behind it? I guess nothing.​

It's most likely stronger to you, and not everyone else. If anything, feats put the purple Rinnegan above. With that Doujutsu:

-All forth Ninjutsu was created.
-Mastery over every element.
-Closest powers to a god.

Yes, the real eye is behind it. When Kaguya is not using the 3rd eye, it looks like a line mark [

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]. When she opens it, the eye is revealed. The headband covered Madara's forehead eye, hence why he needed to break it in order to reveal it.

 

[Rιver]

It's most likely stronger to you, and not everyone else. If anything, feats put the purple Rinnegan above. With that Doujutsu:

-All forth Ninjutsu was created.
-Mastery over every element.
-Closest powers to a god.

Yes, the real eye is behind it. When Kaguya is not using the 3rd eye, it looks like a line mark [

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]. When she opens it, the eye is revealed. The headband covered Madara's forehead eye, hence why he needed to break it in order to reveal it.

Feats? I'd say the samsāra is greater due to the fact that it doesn't only possess the regular techniques of Rinn'egan (which it ultimately trumps on it's own, disregarding Sharingan and Byakugan). Kaguya barely used any Ninjutsu besides her samsāra, which proved to be extremely powerful. Ninjutsu was not created with Rinn'egan

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; in fact, he also didn't create Ninjutsu as he said himself

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. He created Ninshū that was made to connect people

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There is no further evidence to this, is there except Madara and Kaguya having one?​

 

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Ninjutsu was not created with Rinn'egan

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; in fact, he also didn't create Ninjutsu as he said himself

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. He created Ninshū that was made to connect people

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There is no further evidence to this, is there except Madara and Kaguya having one?​

Lmao, learn what Ninshu is. It became Ninjutsu, because the purpose of them changed.

''Ninshū is the religion and the peaceful precursor of modern ninjutsu created by Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki, the first one to understand and teach the mystery of chakra. The teachings of ninshū were meant to give people a better understanding of themselves, as well as others, and lead the world into an era of peace. Unfortunately, Ninshū would eventually come to be known as ninjutsu, a more weaponised version of the Sage's teachings.''

What the hell? I just showed you a scan of Kaguya's deactivated eye looking like a line mark and Madara's headband, and you say there is no evidence.

 

[Rιver]

Lmao, learn what Ninshu is. It became Ninjutsu, because the purpose of them changed.

''Ninshū is the religion and the peaceful precursor of modern ninjutsu created by Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki, the first one to understand and teach the mystery of chakra. The teachings of ninshū were meant to give people a better understanding of themselves, as well as others, and lead the world into an era of peace. Unfortunately, Ninshū would eventually come to be known as ninjutsu, a more weaponised version of the Sage's teachings.''

What the hell? I just showed you a scan of Kaguya's deactivated eye looking like a line mark and Madara's headband, and you say there is no evidence.

So what's your point? He did not invent Ninjutsu. Ever. What he invented was, Ninshū that was molded by the shinobi gifted with chakra

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. That is what became known as, Ninjutsu. There have been also other people using chakra as weapon, like Kaguya. But has Hagoromo ever invented Ninjutsu? No. I do know, however, it seems you don't.

I'm still confused as to what you mean. Does he have it? Most likely not. Does he have the potential for one? I believe so. It's not for certain, but Hagoromo most likely doesn't currently have it. He doesn't have any reason to, if he's already carved a symbol on top of it.​

 

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So what's your point? He did not invent Ninjutsu. Ever. What he invented was, Ninshū that was molded by the shinobi gifted with chakra

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. That is what became known as, Ninjutsu. There have been also other people using chakra as weapon, like Kaguya. But has Hagoromo ever invented Ninjutsu? No. I do know, however, it seems you don't.

I'm still confused as to what you mean. Does he have it? Most likely not. Does he have the potential for one? I believe so. It's not for certain, but Hagoromo most likely doesn't currently have it. He doesn't have any reason to, if he's already carved a symbol on top of it.​

The bold are contradictions and make no sense at all. You said he invented Ninshu which became Ninjutsu, and then you say he didn't invent Ninjutsu? How does that make sense? By inventing the original teachings of something that evolved, it basically makes you the inventor. Why do you think scientists studying the universe are crediting Einstein? Because scientists are using the teachings he invented. Same with Hagoromo: he invented Ninshu and spread its teachings, and people promoted it for different purposes like war. Ninshu and Ninjutsu are the same thing, only that they have different purposes. Thus, Hagoromo invented Ninjutsu. Hence why he has the ability and potential to master every Jutsu:

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Hence why Rinnegan wielders able to learn every Jutsu in the world.

The tablets say when 2 Rinnegan get close to the moon, the 3rd eye is awakened. Hagoromo wrote the tablets, thus he would know about this.

 

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The bold are contradictions and make no sense at all. You said he invented Ninshu which became Ninjutsu, and then you say he didn't invent Ninjutsu? How does that make sense? By inventing the original teachings of something that evolved, it basically makes you the inventor. Why do you think scientists studying the universe are crediting Einstein? Because scientists are using the teachings he invented. Same with Hagoromo: he invented Ninshu and spread its teachings, and people promoted it for different purposes like war. Ninshu and Ninjutsu are the same thing, only that they have different purposes. Thus, Hagoromo invented Ninjutsu. Hence why he has the ability and potential to master every Jutsu:

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Hence why Rinnegan wielders able to learn every Jutsu in the world.

The tablets say when 2 Rinnegan get close to the moon, the 3rd eye is awakened. Hagoromo wrote the tablets, thus he would know about this.

Do you know what inventing means? Ninshū and Ninjutsu are two completely different things. Ninshū uses the art of connecting the chakra of people as a link. Thus, this leads to mutual understanding which requires no words

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. However, the people did not use the chakra to connect people, but to connect their yīn and yáng to form stronger, modernized chakra weapons (see how the method is also different). If one gives you the tools to create a car, and instead you make an aeroplane, the one who gave you the tools didn't invent it you did.

Rinn'egan doesn't grant every jutsu, such is a hyperbolic, fallacious statement. Can he create Bjūdama with just a Rinn'egan? I thought so. What he heard was rumors. He also knew much less than Obito himself. And Obito knew only parts about the history of Rikudō. Naruto and Jiraiya also thought he created Ninjutsu. Wrong thought. These men knew nothing about Hagoromo's past and teachings.

Have you forgotten that Black Zetsu molded the text? Yes, he especially wrote about the Mugen Tsukuyomi in excitement

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Do you know what inventing means? Ninshū and Ninjutsu are two completely different things. Ninshū uses the art of connecting the chakra of people as a link. Thus, this leads to mutual understanding which requires no words

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. However, the people did not use the chakra to connect people, but to connect their yīn and yáng to form stronger, modernized chakra weapons (see how the method is also different). If one gives you the tools to create a car, and instead you make an aeroplane, the one who gave you the tools didn't invent it you did.

Rinn'egan doesn't grant every jutsu, such is a hyperbolic, fallacious statement. Can he create Bjūdama with just a Rinn'egan? I thought so. What he heard was rumors. He also knew much less than Obito himself. And Obito knew only parts about the history of Rikudō. Naruto and Jiraiya also thought he created Ninjutsu. Wrong thought. These men knew nothing about Hagoromo's past and teachings.

Have you forgotten that Black Zetsu molded the text? Yes, he especially wrote about the Mugen Tsukuyomi in excitement

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.​

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Your 1st sentences shows their purpose is different, and not their principles which are the same. Ninjutsu and Ninshu use Chakra - fact. Ninjutsu was originally Ninshu - fact. Why is this so hard to understand?

False. Nagato using the Rinnegan, mastered every Jutsu taught to him by Jiraiya [

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]. He further mastered 6 elements and possessed the ability master every Jutsu he wishes: [

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]. This is Jiraiya's statement after he witnessed what the Rinnegan can do. His statement is more credible than your assumptions. Bijuu-Dama isn't a Ninjutsu.

Black Zetsu never once said that he wrote that specific part. Black Zetsu doesn't know about the realms lies behind the purple Rinnegan, only Hagoromo does. Therefore, I'm right.​

 

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Your 1st sentences shows their purpose is different, and not their principles which are the same. Ninjutsu and Ninshu use Chakra - fact. Ninjutsu was originally Ninshu - fact. Why is this so hard to understand?

False. Nagato using the Rinnegan, mastered every Jutsu taught to him by Jiraiya [

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]. He further mastered 6 elements and possessed the ability master every Jutsu he wishes: [

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]. This is Jiraiya's statement after he witnessed what the Rinnegan can do. His statement is more credible than your assumptions. Bijuu-Dama isn't a Ninjutsu.

Black Zetsu never once said that he wrote that specific part. Black Zetsu doesn't know about the realms lies behind the purple Rinnegan, only Hagoromo does. Therefore, I'm right.​

So? You only provided that the ingredients are the same, which was obvious. How about the method itself? Completely the opposite. Would you say that since Kaguya was the progenitor of chakra and elemental natures, she created every jutsu that has ever existed in Naruto? No. Why? Because she never created them with her own chakra. Would you say that because Tobirama created Kage Bunshin, he created the variants e.g. Raiton, Suna and Mizu Bunshin? No, because he didn't. It's that simple.

Who was talking about Ninjutsu? In your panel you posted, he was talking about techniques. It would contradict your claims, as there are many, many techniques that are not Ninjutsu.

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So what if he didn't? We know that he molded the text which included Mugen Tsukuyomi. That also tells about it's activation, purpose and effects. How do you know he didn't do that? Evidence points more at the side he did, rather than he didn't. And he does, since he even knew the only ones to awaken Rinn'egan. He also possessed Rinn'egan and knew about the tomoed Rinn'egan. He knew much more than Hagoromo himself.
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[Blackwatch]

1. Kaguya
2. JJ Hagoromo
3. JJ Madara
4. Rikudou Naruto
5. DMS Kakashi/Obito
6. DMS Obito/Kakashi
7. Rinnegan Sasuke
8. SM Hashirama
9. Orochimaru w/ ET
10. Kabuto w/ ET

 

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So? You only provided that the ingredients are the same, which was obvious. How about the method itself? Completely the opposite. Would you say that since Kaguya was the progenitor of chakra and elemental natures, she created every jutsu that has ever existed in Naruto? No. Why? Because she never created them with her own chakra. Would you say that because Tobirama created Kage Bunshin, he created the variants e.g. Raiton, Suna and Mizu Bunshin? No, because he didn't. It's that simple.

Who was talking about Ninjutsu? In your panel you posted, he was talking about techniques. It would contradict your claims, as there are many, many techniques that are not Ninjutsu.

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So what if he didn't? We know that he molded the text which included Mugen Tsukuyomi. That also tells about it's activation, purpose and effects. How do you know he didn't do that? Evidence points more at the side he did, rather than he didn't. And he does, since he even knew the only ones to awaken Rinn'egan. He also possessed Rinn'egan and knew about the tomoed Rinn'egan. He knew much more than Hagoromo himself.
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@Bold, that was what I said in my original post, if only you actually read it.

Black Zetsu doesn't have the Rinnegan, and neither he knows more than Hagoromo knows about the Doujutsu. ''Those who possess the power of the Rinne, get close to the moon and the eye that casts the Infinite Tsukuyomi is opened'' - Madara's words. Kaguya doesn't have the purple Rinnegan, therefore would not know that this a requirement for the Juubi's eye. Why would her will know any better? He doesn't.​