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Oh, so you were using DMS version? How so? They are pretty much the same, except Kakashi has all of Obito's chakras along with his own.

Kakashis version was temporary
In a battle of attrition obito would win since he has superior reserves therefore allowing him to use his MS for longer periods of time as well as Senju DNA and greater proportion of rikudos chakra
 

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Kakashis version was temporary

Only because Obito isn't going to stay with him forever. When Obito leaves, the power leaves. There is no fixed time limit.


In a battle of attrition obito would win since he has superior reserves therefore allowing him to use his MS for longer periods of time as well as Senju DNA and greater proportion of rikudos chakra

1. DMS Kakashi's chakra reserves=Kakashi's+Obito's. Its illogical to say that Obito has more chakra.

2. Kakashi's chakra=Obito+Kakashi's chakras. Its illogical to say that Obito has more of Rikudo's chakra when Kakashi has everything he had. Meaning Kakashi has the same amount of Rikudo chakra, and has more overall chakra since Kakashi+Obito>Obito.

So if it came down to attrition, Obito loses.
 

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Kakashis version was temporary
In a battle of attrition obito would win since he has superior reserves therefore allowing him to use his MS for longer periods of time as well as Senju DNA and greater proportion of rikudos chakra
Yeah no, DMS Kakashi > DMS Obito. If DMS Obito could use Susanoo, he wouldn't have died by a bone. DMS Kakashi's perfect susanoo was to show his prowess as the copy ninja. Not to mention he has by far better brain
 

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Only because Obito isn't going to stay with him forever. When Obito leaves, the power leaves. There is no fixed time limit.
Thats all thats needed,
Kakashi cant have obito within him forever, meaning that his limit of having DMS is much lower than Obitos, who can use it to the full extent, therefore once kakashi runs out of his DMS, which he will,
then Obito wins,, since kakashi cant take down obito before his limit for DMS runs out

1. DMS Kakashi's chakra reserves=Kakashi's+Obito's. Its illogical to say that Obito has more chakra.

2. Kakashi's chakra=Obito+Kakashi's chakras. Its illogical to say that Obito has more of Rikudo's chakra when Kakashi has everything he had. Meaning Kakashi has the same amount of Rikudo chakra, and has more overall chakra since Kakashi+Obito>Obito.

So if it came down to attrition, Obito loses.
I agre with points 1 &2,
but a battle of attrition would still go to obito since the time frame of DMS for kakashi is lowwer than Obitos,
Yeah no, DMS Kakashi > DMS Obito. If DMS Obito could use Susanoo, he wouldn't have died by a bone. DMS Kakashi's perfect susanoo was to show his prowess as the copy ninja. Not to mention he has by far better brain
@Bold - Lol
Kakashi formed susanoo through obitos eyes, and through receiving chakra directlly from obito himself,
he can form the PS,, obito didnt form susanoo due to CIS
 

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Kaguya
JJ hogoromo
JJ madara with three riningan
Naruto
JJ obito
DMS kakashi
Sasuke
Hashirama
Bm minato
Nagato

andra,ashur and hamaru are excluded ,I didn't consider kabuto and oro with their edos
 

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Kishi messed up Sasuke to the level where people think him and Kakashi are now equal.

Yeah I agree there are a lot of unknowns when it comes to DMS Kakashi. He didn't fight for long and he was collapsing already to the point where Sakura was carrying him. Btw guys I love this guy :ilu: but it's the truth

You feel me DMS kakashi is fodder that can't be compared to even sasuke lol
 

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if anyone making list then he/she should keep in mind that kakashi is not an MS holder anymore.... he is not even in top 20s now...
 

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if anyone making list then he/she should keep in mind that kakashi is not an MS holder anymore.... he is not even in top 20s now...

Madara isn't a jibi jin any more ,obito isn't a jiubi jin any more
Here we rank everyone's prime not their weakest or last state

And about current kakashi ,you overrate him so much,he isn't even top 30 ,he is barely /hardly top 40 lol
 

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Yeah no, DMS Kakashi > DMS Obito. If DMS Obito could use Susanoo, he wouldn't have died by a bone. DMS Kakashi's perfect susanoo was to show his prowess as the copy ninja. Not to mention he has by far better brain

I fail to find any reason for kakashi to use Susano while obito not
It is his eyes and his chakra so obito surely can use susano as well
 

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1-Kaguya
2-Hagoromo/Hamura
3-JJ Madara
4-Juubito/DMS Obito*
5-Rikudo Naruto
6-Rikudo Sasuke
7-DMS Kakashi
8-8th gate Guy
9-Hashirama

(*Actually DMS Obito is invincible by his moveset. Also DMS Kakashi is at 7th simply because he can not maintain DMS long enough and is solely dependent on Obito being inside him)
 

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Since ppl are including suicide technique , where are Deidara , Danzo , Minato , Hiruzen ? Just asking .
 

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Since ppl are including suicide technique , where are Deidara , Danzo , Minato , Hiruzen ? Just asking .

RDS requires physical contact, Deidara's c0 is tankable by the top 10.

Danzo is iffy, most of the top 10 has such good chakra control that genjutsu won't work.
 

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Unlimited stamina and health isn't strength at all. It only makes it impossible for the Edos to actually be killed. Edo Mu isn't considered stronger than EMS Madara despite the fact EMS Madara is alive while Mu is an Edo. Same principle.





I said that Gai beats them. Hashirama doesn't beat either. Not to mention Edo Madara isn't apart of Kabuto's arsenal.



Sasuke casually cuts Chibaku Tensei orbs the size of the Shinju's root. No Edo Kabuto has in his arsenal surpasses Sasuke when it comes to raw power, so he's far above. Distance isn't even a factor here. If he's far away, he enters Susanoo, closes the distance and one shots Kabuto along with all his Edos.




Hahsirama never really broke out of the jutsu, so he should still be considered as apart of Oro's arsenal. Edo Madara broke the actual contract, Hashirama simply can't be controlled. He's basically the same as a summon. So no, Edo Hokage>Kabuto's Edo Army. BM Minato can power everyone up with the cloaks, or at the very least some raw chakra, which a 3x boost at the minimum. Without Edo Madara, they stand no chance of winning.



Rinnegan Teleportation isn't the bulk of Sasuke's strength, judging him by it does't make sense to me. His Susanoo would tear Kakashi's apart, and from there, it just depends on whether he can hit Kakashi and kill him, or whether he outlasts Kakashi.



That's probably it.

I'll reply in a bit
 

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Kaguya
Madara
Naruto
Kakashi
Sasuke
Sakura
Hashirama
minato
nagato
kabuto
 

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Yeah no, DMS Kakashi > DMS Obito. If DMS Obito could use Susanoo, he wouldn't have died by a bone. DMS Kakashi's perfect susanoo was to show his prowess as the copy ninja. Not to mention he has by far better brain

I agree with T Bogard. Obito never showed it so why are people giving Susano to Obito.

Might as well give PS to Itachi because Sasuke is using his eyes (just like Kakashi is using Obito's) and Itachi could have awakened PS too, but people don't give Itachi PS because he never did it himself. How's the Obito situation any different?
 

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1). Madara/Hagoromo (Jinchuuriki)
2). Kaguya
3). Hamura
4). Obito (Jinchuuriki)
5). Indra/Ashura
6). Kakashi
7). Naruto/Sasuke
8). Danzo/Shisui
9). Kabuto
10). Nagato​
 

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1). Madara/Hagoromo (Jinchuuriki)
2). Kaguya
3). Hamura
4). Obito (Jinchuuriki)
5). Indra/Ashura
6). Kakashi
7). Naruto/Sasuke
8). Danzo/Shisui
9). Kabuto
10). Nagato​

Nah, Hagoromo wasn't able to defeat nor to seal Kaguya alone and later he admitted Kaguya was stronger than him. Same goes for Madara. Juubi Jin Kaguya defeats them both.
 

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Nah, Hagoromo wasn't able to defeat nor to seal Kaguya alone and later he admitted Kaguya was stronger than him. Same goes for Madara. Juubi Jin Kaguya defeats them both.

Realize that I specifically said Hagoromo is a Jinchuuriki. In other words, he is more powerful than the fight, considering:

1). He has both seals. One touch, and Kaguya is finished.
2). He has the 3rd eye.
3). Far stronger quantity and quality of Chakra and Jutsu.

The statement was a metaphor. We don't know whether he actually included himself, but I don't care; as hype was never my fashion of discussing. I can literally put Jiraiya over Itachi and Kisame combined, because they said he was stronger than them. Logic and deductive reasoning is the key to debate and discussion.​
 

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Realize that I specifically said Hagoromo is a Jinchuuriki. In other words, he is more powerful than the fight, considering:

1). He has both seals. One touch, and Kaguya is finished.
2). He has the 3rd eye.
3). Far stronger quantity and quality of Chakra and Jutsu.

The statement was a metaphor. We don't know whether he actually included himself, but I don't care; as hype was never my fashion of discussing. I can literally put Jiraiya over Itachi and Kisame combined, because they said he was stronger than them. Logic and deductive reasoning is the key to debate and discussion.​


Kaguya has the samsāra (Tomoed Rinn'egan), Hagoromo possesses the regular one.​
 
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