why are people mad at naruto for..

[Dannie]

Would you consider Naruto's life damaged, knowing where he is now?

I don't consider his life damaged. I consider his mindset damaged.

 

[AlphaScythian]

how will they abuse that forgiveness? Naruto might have forgiven naruto, but that doesnʻt mean obito wasnʻt going to get prosecuted for his crimes had he survived the war.

And the reason Naruto ʻforgaveʻ Obito was because Obito truly changed. Obito proved this by sacrificing his life for naruto and the shinobi alliance, plus Naruto can sense negative emotions, and could see Obitoʻs heart. So if thatʻs what it takes in order to convince Naruto that someone has changed, then how can someone abuse his forgiveness?

You said if everyone would start forgiving like nardo there would be no wars etc, but in real life people would start abusing forgiveness.
Its so simple.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Forgiveness and praise are two very different things. It's not about the forgiving part. I pretty much got over that mediocre incompetent trash. It's about his ability to call someone awesome even after they permanently damaged your life and everyone else's all because he shared the same dream as you.

The idea of forgiveness in this manga is utter shit but the approval and praise worthy acknowledgment of someone evil is even more shit.

He praised the Obito that wanted to become Hokage. The one who was similar to Naruto.

Like I said above, Naruto didn't accept the Obito that hid behind a mask. He doesn't acknowledge the one who lost his way. If you paid attention to Naruto's character during this war arc, you would understand that Naruto didn't just fight with Obito. Obito tried to break Naruto's resolve, while Naruto tried to break Obito's mask and make him accept his true self. During the Pain arc, Naruto learned that it's the cycle of hatred that made Pain turn to the wrong path and Obito was in a similar situation. That's why he tried to change Obito, because he wants to break the curse of hatred and that's why he didn't accept the Obito that took a wrong turn.

 

[lanakui8]

You said if everyone would start forgiving like nardo there would be no wars etc, but in real life people would start abusing forgiveness.
Its so simple.

Oh I never said everyone would start forgiving like naruto did, I said "IF everyone was like naruto, there would be no wars", and I said if people who looked up to naruto as hokage would inspire them to forgive others for transgressions. Never did I say that EVERYONE would strive to be like naruto.

And no, narutoʻs model would still apply to real life since Naruto forgiving =/= you are exempt from your punishment. Obito was still going to have to pay for his crimes normally had he survived the war.

Finally, since youʻve implicitly admitted that this would work in the naruto world by saying that this wouldnʻt work in the real world, then I guess you would want naruto as hokage.

 

[Tennis Robot]

I don't consider his life damaged. I consider his mindset damaged.

So, in Naruto's place, you would hold a grudge against Obito for things he did over 15 years ago?

 

[lucario14]

So, in Naruto's place, you would hold a grudge against Obito for things he did 15 years ago?

17 years...and it's not that he did something 17 years ago but he kept doing the things he did within those 17 years, which was the majority of his lifespan

 

[Demonic.]

Feel like having him hokage?

Sure. I just feel like he deserves a slap for that comment.

 

[Tennis Robot]

17 years...and it's not that he did something 17 years ago but he kept doing the things he did within those 17 years, which was the majority of his lifespan

Oh ****. I forgot to say "over". ****. Sorry.

Still, what reason does Naruto (or anyone) have to hold on to that kind of feeling?

 

[AlphaScythian]

Oh I never said everyone would start forgiving like naruto did, I said "IF everyone was like naruto, there would be no wars", and I said if people who looked up to naruto as hokage would inspire them to forgive others for transgressions. Never did I say that EVERYONE would strive to be like naruto.

And no, narutoʻs model would still apply to real life since Naruto forgiving =/= you are exempt from your punishment. Obito was still going to have to pay for his crimes normally had he survived the war.

Finally, since youʻve implicitly admitted that this would work in the naruto world by saying that this wouldnʻt work in the real world, then I guess you would want naruto as hokage.

So people who would look up to naruto would be abused, i just assumed you was expecting high number of his followers U_U

Yes forgiving = exempt from punishment, thats the core definition of it.

I didnt admit any of that cause i cant separate logic from my way of thinking, but im open to possibility that kishi will script it and i will have to call it BS

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Meh I'm over it.I don't think any rational person would praise some that ruined their life and tried to kill them, but then again Naruto has'nt been rational since Sasuke left.

 

[Dannie]

He praised the Obito that wanted to become Hokage. The one who was similar to Naruto.

Like I said above, Naruto didn't accept the Obito that hid behind a mask. He doesn't acknowledge the one who lost his way. If you paid attention to Naruto's character during this war arc, you would understand that Naruto didn't just fight with Obito. Obito tried to break Naruto's resolve, while Naruto tried to break Obito's mask and make him accept his true self. During the Pain arc, Naruto learned that it's the cycle of hatred that made Pain turn to the wrong path and Obito was in a similar situation. That's why he tried to change Obito, because he wants to break the curse of hatred and that's why he didn't accept the Obito that took a wrong turn.

I don't care "which" Obito he praised and you are clearly missing the whole point to everything.
Green Obito, Yellow Obito, Red Obito, Brown Obito, Blue Obito... I really don't give a fck which Obito, it's still fcking Obito.

So, in Naruto's place, you would hold a grudge against Obito for things he did 15 years ago?

It sounds to me like you are trying to make Obito's actions justified when in fact most of his actions were uncalled for and completely selfish. Good to know what type of person you really are.

What did Obito do?
> He summoned the Kyubi on Konoha resulting in the killing of many ninja and Naruto's own parents
> He extracted the Bijuu from Kushina which would have ended her life, regardless if the Kyubi attacked her or not
> He started an organization that consisted of 10+ S-classed criminals that hunt Bijuu and Jinchuriki which concludes that Naruto will be hunted and targeted his whole life, Which in conclusion:
- Caused the death of Naruto's master, Jiraiya
- Caused the death of Asuma
> He started a war and killed thousands of shinobi and toyed with their lives.
> His goal was to ignite the IT and cast everyone in eternal Genjutsu just to see a 13 year old girl again.
> He killed one of Naruto's closest friends.
> He toyed with Naruto's feelings and made him cry

Obviously, any sane and normal person would not just let all this shit go and then in a few fcking minutes begin to praise him, so to answer your psychotic little question, obviously I would despise him and I would never acknowledge him or praise him in any sort.

 

[Tennis Robot]

So people who would look up to naruto would be abused, i just assumed you was expecting high number of his followers U_U

Yes forgiving = exempt from punishment, thats the core definition of it.

I didnt admit any of that cause i cant separate logic from my way of thinking, but im open to possibility that kishi will script it and i will have to call it BS

Wtf are you talking about?

And again, you guys are only bringing up reasons why Naruto shouldn't have praised Obito. If you really can't understand why he did it and why it made perfect sense, I would be glad to explain it to you.

I don't care "which" Obito he praised and you are clearly missing the whole point to everything.
Green Obito, Yellow Obito, Red Obito, Brown Obito, Blue Obito... I really don't give a fck which Obito, it's still fcking Obito.


It sounds to me like you are trying to make Obito's actions justified when in fact most of his actions were uncalled for and completely selfish. Good to know what type of person you really are.

What did Obito do?
> He summoned the Kyubi on Konoha resulting in the killing of many ninja and Naruto's own parents
> He extracted the Bijuu from Kushina which would have ended her life, regardless if the Kyubi attacked her or not
> He started an organization that consisted of 10+ S-classed criminals that hunt Bijuu and Jinchuriki which concludes that Naruto will be hunted and targeted his whole life, Which in conclusion:
- Caused the death of Naruto's master, Jiraiya
- Caused the death of Asuma
> He started a war and killed thousands of shinobi and toyed with their lives.
> His goal was to ignite the IT and cast everyone in eternal Genjutsu just to see a 13 year old girl again.
> He killed one of Naruto's closest friends.
> He toyed with Naruto's feelings and made him cry

Obviously, any sane and normal person would not just let all this shit go and then in a few fcking minutes begin to praise him, so to answer your psychotic little question, obviously I would despise him and I would never acknowledge him or praise him in any sort.

How does asking a question reveal my beliefs?

"Holding on to anger is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die"

 

[lucario14]

Oh ****. I forgot to say "over". ****. Sorry.

What a weird reaction

Still, what reason does Naruto (or anyone) have to hold on to that kind of feeling?

No reason, seeing as he died. If he did it would be understandable considering naruto didn't know who obito was until recently

 

[Angelic.]

obito did all those things bc no one else was finding an answer..

 

[AlphaScythian]

Wtf are you talking about?

And again, you guys are only bringing up reasons why Naruto shouldn't have praised Obito. If you really can't understand why he did it and why it made perfect sense, I would be glad to explain it to you.



How does asking a question reveal my beliefs?

"Holding on to anger is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die"

Get lost or read the whole thing.

 

[Demonic.]

obito did all those things bc no one else was finding an answer..

Answer to what bro. The cure for heartbreak?

 

[Remedy]

Funny, how many people are mad at themselves for calling Itachi and Madara awesome? (Way different reason from Naruto's) Or is anyone mad at Sasuke for crying when Itachi died? Or how about when Hashirama said Madara is a kind man to Sasuke? Does the whole point of Naruto just fly over your head?

Yeah, people are blowing this out of proportion.

 

[Dannie]

How does asking a question reveal my beliefs?

"Holding on to anger is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die"

I'm fcking done.

 

[Tennis Robot]

I'm fcking done.

Why? I don't understand.

 

[Angelic.]

Answer to what bro. The cure for heartbreak?

you know what the theme is... the path to peace blabla. he wanted to get rid of shinobi who he hated.