Base jiraya vs Base hashirama

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why do people ignore the fact that jiraya’s swamp underworld and jiubi sized fire/oill combination can deal with all base hashirama’s wooden structures like wood dragon,golem or the flower of the world !!!?

also jiraya toads can jumb high and fast ,catching them with mouktun wont be easy job ,also they can use elements like water to destroy mouktun

i think base hashirama beats base jiraya with 3 boss toads high diff

but i can see sm jiraya beats base hashirama once he uses frog song high diff

what do you think !?
 

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why do people ignore the fact that jiraya’s swamp underworld and jiubi sized fire/oill combination can deal with all base hashirama’s wooden structures like wood dragon,golem or the flower of the world !!!?

also jiraya toads can jumb high and fast ,catching them with mouktun wont be easy job ,also they can use elements like water to destroy mouktun

i think base hashirama beats base jiraya with 3 boss toads high diff

but i can see sm jiraya beats base hashirama once he uses frog song high diff

what do you think !?


Bringer of Darkness solos Jiraiya bruh.
 

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Jiraiya uses sound genjutsu with his frogs and immobilizes hashirama. He stomps on his will of fire by (due to his perverted nature) making out with his wife Mito and... other stuff. Hashirama becomes depressed, hence Jiraiya conquers Hashirama both physically and mentally.
 

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Bringer of Darkness solos Jiraiya bruh.

jiraya still can fight using his sensing barrier but it would be harder though

what is base hashirama’s counter for sm jiraya’s frog song ginjutsu ?
 

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Hashirama wins, but Jiraiya bangs Mito first.
 

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jiraya still can fight using his sensing barrier but it would be harder though

what is base hashirama’s counter for sm jiraya’s frog song ginjutsu ?

The fact that it has a long setup time. Lol at people saying jman can counter hashirama's mokuton. His katon feats are nowhere near large enough to deal with the enormous scale of the wood. Deep forest bloom and wood golem neg diff sm jman. Base jiraiya is just sad. Not sure why anybody could EVER think that base jiraiya won't be neg diffed
 

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You do realize that Hashirama can straight up blitz Jiraiya? And has an insane healing factor that heals him from anything Jbase Jiraiya throws at him right? Hashirama won't even need Mokuton to beat base Jiraiya, this is a roflstomp.

You need base Minato level of power to force Hashirama to use Mokuton, which even SM Jiraiya debatably does not have, and you need to have Nagato level of power to actually give base Mokuton Hashirama a good fight (I would argue that even base Hashirama can beat Nagato High-Diff, and Nagato is 2-3 tiers above SM Jiraiya).
 
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The fact that it has a long setup time. Lol at people saying jman can counter hashirama's mokuton. His katon feats are nowhere near large enough to deal with the enormous scale of the wood. Deep forest bloom and wood golem neg diff sm jman. Base jiraiya is just sad. Not sure why anybody could EVER think that base jiraiya won't be neg diffed

which has long setup time!!?
base hasirama’s mouktun are biju body sized
gumbantu is also biju body sized (see him fighting shukaku part 1and kiuybi with minato)
see this fire and oil combination,it is comparable to jiubi’s size


this is druged base jiraya’s swamp underworld which jiraya called such a small swamp
 
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which has long setup time!!?
base hasirama’s mouktun are biju body sized
gumbantu is also biju body sized (see him fighting shukaku part 1and kiuybi with minato)
see this fire and oil combination,it is comparable to jiubi’s size


this is druged base jiraya’s swamp underworld which jiraya called such a small swamp

Frog song has a long setup time. And Hashirama's mokuton is way larger than a bijuu :p
 

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You do realize that Hashirama can straight up blitz Jiraiya? And has an insane healing factor that heals him from anything Jbase Jiraiya throws at him right?

healing is restricted since it is most likely sm ability
 

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healing is restricted since it is most likely sm ability

How so? Tsunade has no SM, but still has byakugou. Hashirama most likely had a variation of it. Jiraiya still get overwhelmed by wood clones
 

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Frog song has a long setup time. And Hashirama's mokuton is way larger than a bijuu :p

in scenario 2,jiraya start in sm with ma and pa summoned so the frog song wont take much as you think ,just 1 or 2 mins

i think base hashi’s wooden jutsu are biju sized except for the dragon which was able to surround hachibi and half kiuybi just because its length not size
 
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How so? Tsunade has no SM, but still has byakugou. Hashirama most likely had a variation of it. Jiraiya still get overwhelmed by wood clones

sm madara started healing after he gained hashirama’s sm ,whatever that is the conditions

wood clones are wood jutsu Lol ,however that isnt enough to beat base jiraya with 3 boss toads or sm jiraya
 

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healing is restricted since it is most likely sm ability

It's not. Obito healed instantly from a KCM Oodama Rasengan with just half of a watered down replica body of Hashiramas (Zetsu).

Hashirama has speed that is almost as great as V2 Ei. Kenjutsu and strength superior to Madaras and an OP Genjutsu (Bringer of Darkness) and healing that rivals Byakougo Tsunades. With all that said, I don't think SM Jiraiya is even capable of forcing Hashirama to use Mokuton, but even if he was able to beat Mokuton-Less base Hashirama High-Diff, he gets negged once Mokuton comes into play either way.
 
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Hashirama holds him down with laughing buddha

Then proceeds to laugh himself
 

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It's not. Obito healed instantly from a KCM Oodama Rasengan with just half of a watered down replica body of Hashiramas (Zetsu).

Hashirama has speed that is almost as great as V2 Ei. Kenjutsu and strength superior to Madaras and an OP Genjutsu (Bringer of Darkness) and healing that rivals Byakougo Tsunades. With all that said, I don't think SM Jiraiya is even capable of forcing Hashirama to use Mokuton, but even if he was able to beat Mokuton-Less base Hashirama High-Diff, he gets negged once Mokuton comes into play either way.

when obito was showed to regenerate!!!?

whatever it is base or sm ability ,it is the conditions ,hashirama’s healing is restricted

bringer of darkness is countred by sensing barrier

you should give me scans show base hashirama’s speed to be comparable to v2 ay or this is just your overrating !!?

if hashirama didnt use mouktun how he will put base jiraya and 3 boss toads down !!?,you are delusional

hasirama without mouktun isnt hashirama ,he is top tier ninja just because his mouktun and sm abilities ,without them ,he is normal ninja

i have already explained how will jiraya counter all base hashirama’s muktoun and how jiraya will beat him via frog song
 
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when obito was showed to regenerate!!!?

. He did not regenerate, but he healed extremely fast without hand signs (a la Byakougō). And this was after getting hit by a massive KCM Rasengan.

whatever it is base or sm ability ,it is the conditions ,hashirama’s healing is restricted

Ok, but at least you know that he does not need SM to do it now.

bringer of darkness is countred by sensing barrier

He can't react to Hashirama with just his senses. Hashirama was faster then Madara, who was able to blitz SM Naruto, who has Precog sensing which is superior to Jiraiya's and superior reflexes in general and had the option of also following Madara with his eyes, which Jiraiya does not have if he is under the effects of the Genjutsu.

you should give me scans show base hashirama’s speed to be comparable to v2 ay or this is just your overrating !!?

He was faster or at least as fast as Madara who blitzed SM Naruto. He was also dodging PS slashes and outpacing Bijudamas.

if hashirama didnt use mouktun how he will put base jiraya and 3 boss toads down !!?,you are delusional

Does not need to put the Toads down, just has to put Jiraiya down. He effortlessly dodges everything the Toads and Jiraiya from at him and blitzes Jiraiya down.

hasirama without mouktun isnt hashirama ,he is top tier ninja just because his mouktun and sm abilities ,without them ,he is normal ninja

He is a Demi-God Tier with Mokuton. He is still a Top-Tier without it, as he has a powerful Genjutsu, speed to blitz the likes of SM Naruto, strength and Kenjutsu which are superior to Madaras and healing that rivals Tsunades Byakougō (which granted, is restricted here) as well as Rashōmen Gates as long range defence. With all that, its safe to say that even without Mokuton or SM, he is in the same tier as base Minato.

have already explained how will jiraya counter all base hashirama’s muktoun and how jiraya will beat him via frog song

Have not read your explanation but you are delusional if you think that he can.

No counter to Advent of Flowering Trees.
No counter to a Mokujin that can battle on par with PS.
No counter to Long range Jukai Kotan.

He would never use Frong Song because Hashirama is fast enough to blitz him and has the means to kill him quickly. Even if he where to accomplish Frog Song (Which he won't), Hashirama still has Mokuton Clones (Which are not affected by Genjutsu), and assuming they are out before Frog Song works, they cut Hashirama to snap him out. Or even finish Jiraiya off themselves (depending on how much chakra Hashirama gave them when he used them).

Like I said earlier, Hashirama does not even need to use Mokuton to win, granted with Mokuton he neggs.
 
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. He did not regenerate, but he healed extremely fast without hand signs (a la Byakougō). And this was after getting hit by a massive KCM Rasengan.



Ok, but at least you know that he does not need SM to do it now.



He can't react to Hashirama with just his senses. Hashirama was faster then Madara, who was able to blitz SM Naruto, who has Precog sensing which is superior to Jiraiya's and superior reflexes in general and had the option of also following Madara with his eyes, which Jiraiya does not have if he is under the effects of the Genjutsu.



He was faster or at least as fast as Madara who blitzed SM Naruto. He was also dodging PS slashes and outpacing Bijudamas.



Does not need to put the Toads down, just has to put Jiraiya down. He effortlessly dodges everything the Toads and Jiraiya from at him and blitzes Jiraiya down.



He is a Demi-God Tier with Mokuton. He is still a Top-Tier without it, as he has a powerful Genjutsu, speed to blitz the likes of SM Naruto, strength and Kenjutsu which are superior to Madaras and healing that rivals Tsunades Byakougō (which granted, is restricted here) as well as Rashōmen Gates as long range defence. With all that, its safe to say that even without Mokuton or SM, he is in the same tier as base Minato.



Have not read your explanation but you are delusional if you think that he can.

No counter to Advent of Flowering Trees.
No counter to a Mokujin that can battle on par with PS.
No counter to Long range Jukai Kotan.

He would never use Frong Song because Hashirama is fast enough to blitz him and has the means to kill him quickly. Even if he where to accomplish Frog Song (Which he won't), Hashirama still has Mokuton Clones (Which are not affected by Genjutsu), and assuming they are out before Frog Song works, they cut Hashirama to snap him out. Or even finish Jiraiya off themselves (depending on how much chakra Hashirama gave them when he used them).

Like I said earlier, Hashirama does not even need to use Mokuton to win, granted with Mokuton he neggs.

ok ,that is healing not regeneration ,obito was going to die when kakashi stabbed him with raiki

hashirama wasnt showed to be faster than alive ems madara ,also madara who speedblitzed sm naruto was different from alive ems madara as he had hashirama cells and he also used hand seals to do that

no,base hashirama isnt even as fast as v2 ay nor he was showed to has better kenjutsu than madara

hashirama without mouktun isnt at alive minato’s level Lol

that is my explanation to how jiraya can deal with all base hashi’s mouktun

base hasirama’s mouktun are biju body sized
gumbantu is also biju body sized (see him
fighting shukaku part 1and kiuybi with minato)
see this fire and oil combination,it is
comparable to jiubi’s size

this is druged base jiraya’s swamp underworld
which jiraya called such a small swamp


healthy base jiraya swamp can drown all base hashi’s wood let alone sm jiraya

hashirama cant counter frog song ,his clones can but he himself cant as long as he is inside the range
 
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