Base jiraya vs Base hashirama

[ARGUS]

hashirama takes a dump on him
Make this SM jiraiya and he still stomps

 

[Dave Stevenson]

Hashirama shits

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

ok ,that is healing not regeneration ,obito was going to die when kakashi stabbed him with raiki

There was no Senju DNA where Kakashi stabbed him.

hashirama wasnt showed to be faster than alive ems madara ,also madara who speedblitzed sm naruto was different from alive ems madara as he had hashirama cells and he also used hand seals to do that

He beat him in everything when he was a kid, including races, there is a reason why Madara had to paralyze him before getting SM. Hashirama was also dodging PS slashes and outpacing Bijudamas. Senju DNA does not increase speed, and hand seals where to paralyze Hashirama, not use Shunshin lol.

no,base hashirama isnt even as fast as v2 ay nor he was showed to has better kenjutsu than madara

hashirama without mouktun isnt at alive minato’s level Lol

He is not as fast as V2 Ei but he is certainly close. He has better Kenjutsu or is at least on par in Kenjutsu with Madara.

Yes he is, I have already explained why.

that is my explanation to how jiraya can deal with all base hashi’s mouktun

base hasirama’s mouktun are biju body sized
gumbantu is also biju body sized (see him
fighting shukaku part 1and kiuybi with minato)
see this fire and oil combination,it is
comparable to jiubi’s size

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this is druged base jiraya’s swamp underworld
which jiraya called such a small swamp

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Dude, you do realize that Mokujin fought on par with PS? Gambunta and the other toads are fodder compared to PS. Also, Mokujin was as big as a 100% Kurama, Gambutna is not that big. lol at Katon doing anything to Mokuton, this is the same Mokuton which was tanking Bijudamas, and Katon only enhances the world of trees.

healthy base jiraya swamp can drown all base hashi’s wood let alone sm jiraya

You do realize that Dōton is a product to create Mokuton? Do you realize that the Swamp is consisted of Mokuton? The Swamp will enhance Hashiramas Mokuton, and it can't submerge battlefield covering Mokuton either, so you have yet to give a valid counter to:

Mokujin
Advantage of Flowering Trees
Jukai Kotan

hashirama cant counter frog song ,his clones can but he himself cant as long as he is inside the range

If he has his Clones out before the song, then he can. It he won't need to, because he kills Jiraiya WAY before Frog Song anyways.

 

[wael reda]

There was no Senju DNA where Kakashi stabbed him.



He beat him in everything when he was a kid, including races, there is a reason why Madara had to paralyze him before getting SM. Hashirama was also dodging PS slashes and outpacing Bijudamas. Senju DNA does not increase speed, and hand seals where to paralyze Hashirama, not use Shunshin lol.



He is not as fast as V2 Ei but he is certainly close. He has better Kenjutsu or is at least on par in Kenjutsu with Madara.

Yes he is, I have already explained why.



Dude, you do realize that Mokujin fought on par with PS? Gambunta and the other toads are fodder compared to PS. Also, Mokujin was as big as a 100% Kurama, Gambutna is not that big. lol at Katon doing anything to Mokuton, this is the same Mokuton which was tanking Bijudamas, and Katon only enhances the world of trees.



You do realize that Dōton is a product to create Mokuton? Do you realize that the Swamp is consisted of Mokuton? The Swamp will enhance Hashiramas Mokuton, and it can't submerge battlefield covering Mokuton either, so you have yet to give a valid counter to:

Mokujin
Advantage of Flowering Trees
Jukai Kotan



If he has his Clones out before the song, then he can. It he won't need to, because he kills Jiraiya WAY before Frog Song anyways.

sm madara had hashirama’s cells in his chest only however he was healing his whole body.


no,this hand seal was to increase his speed by focusing chakra in his foot ,kakashi used the same hand seal against diedra to outspeed didra’s bombs.

hashirama cells provide him more chakra and stronger body ,that maybe causes to increase his speed ,whatever he is still different from alive EMS madara.

the ground is a product to mouktun not jiraya’s swamp jutsu.


i think sm jiraya’s swamp jutsu can counter base hashirama’s mouktun like wooden dragon,biju,the flower of the world,on par with PS or not ,though it wasnt on par with it ,also hasirama never evaded ps’s sword ,he caught it with wooden hands which was destroyed later by one ps slash.

i agree ,fire and oil combination cant do much to hashirama’s mouktun.

i agree that base hashirama with mouktn beats base jiraya with 3 boss toads.

but i think sm jiraya with ma,pa and 3 boss toads can beat base hashirama with mouktun by the frog song.
i am pretty sure that sm jiraya and his toads can resist base hashirama for 2 mins till the frog song is ready.

hashirama clones cant protect him from the frog song as long as he is inside the range.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

sm madara had hashirama’s cells in his chest only however he was healing his whole body.

Obito has healed from a strong attack on his weak Hashirama replica side, that's all that needs to be said.

no,this hand seal was to increase his speed by focusing chakra in his foot ,kakashi used the same hand seal against diedra to outspeed didra’s bombs.

Don't spout BS, you have no proof for this. The second after he performed the seal, Hashirama says "Shit.....I can't move".

hashirama cells provide him more chakra and stronger body ,that maybe causes to increase his speed ,whatever he is still different from alive EMS madara.

Provide him more chakra? Yes. Stronger body? No, unlike Obito who literally had a Zetsu for half his body to increase his attributes on that side, Madara simply has Hashiramas cells spread though out his body, which just increases his chakra, and possibly some sort of healing factor.

the ground is a product to mouktun not jiraya’s swamp jutsu.

DOTON is a product for Mokuton, Jiraiya's swamp Jutsu IS DOTON. .

i think sm jiraya’s swamp jutsu can counter base hashirama’s mouktun like wooden dragon,biju,the flower of the world,on par with PS or not ,though it wasnt on par with it ,also hasirama never evaded ps’s sword ,he caught it with wooden hands which was destroyed later by one ps slash.

No it can't, it could not even submerge a basic snake, it was not able to submerge a Path even when healthy and in SM. It would be lucky if it submerged Mokujins foot, but I think even that is a stretch. Advent of Flowering Tees covers an entire battlefield in an instant, the swamp can't submerge it.

Yes he did evade it. He evaded it

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i agree that base hashirama with mouktn beats base jiraya with 3 boss toads.

Even without Mokuton base Hashirama destroys base Jiraiya. SM Jiraiya Vs base Hashirama with no Mokuton is a toss-up, I could still argue that Hashirama would win. But WITH Mokuton, its a curbstomp, I think everyone here agrees.

but i think sm jiraya with ma,pa and 3 boss toads can beat base hashirama with mouktun by the frog song.
i am pretty sure that sm jiraya and his toads can resist base hashirama for 2 mins till the frog song is ready.

No, they can't. Hashirama can beat him in so many different ways its not even funny.

hashirama clones cant protect him from the frog song as long as he is inside the range.

They don't need to protect him, they just need to cause him pain, which is a way to break someone out of Genjutsu, so a simple cut will break him out.

 

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Obito has healed from a strong attack on his weak Hashirama replica side, that's all that needs to be said.



Don't spout BS, you have no proof for this. The second after he performed the seal, Hashirama says "Shit.....I can't move".



Provide him more chakra? Yes. Stronger body? No, unlike Obito who literally had a Zetsu for half his body to increase his attributes on that side, Madara simply has Hashiramas cells spread though out his body, which just increases his chakra, and possibly some sort of healing factor.



DOTON is a product for Mokuton, Jiraiya's swamp Jutsu IS DOTON. .



No it can't, it could not even submerge a basic snake, it was not able to submerge a Path even when healthy and in SM. It would be lucky if it submerged Mokujins foot, but I think even that is a stretch. Advent of Flowering Tees covers an entire battlefield in an instant, the swamp can't submerge it.

Yes he did evade it. He evaded it

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Even without Mokuton base Hashirama destroys base Jiraiya. SM Jiraiya Vs base Hashirama with no Mokuton is a toss-up, I could still argue that Hashirama would win. But WITH Mokuton, its a curbstomp, I think everyone here agrees.



No, they can't. Hashirama can beat him in so many different ways its not even funny.



They don't need to protect him, they just need to cause him pain, which is a way to break someone out of Genjutsu, so a simple cut will break him out.

dont go around me ,madara who has hashirama cells in his chest ,was able to heal his whole body and i dont want to argue about this point again since i restricted hashirama’s healing

i agree that this hand seal was most likely to immoblize hashirama

i think saying hashirama is as fast as madara who speedblitzed sm naruto just because he fougt madara with no hashiama cells in the past is meaningless

that is what happened,hashirama caught ps slash by his golem’s hand and created more hands around ps ,madara waved his ps sword to cut all wooden hands and destroy the golem ,hashirama who was standing on the golem’s head kept jumping on the scattered rocks to not fall ,he didnt dodge it
that is also a proof that base hashirama’s mouktnwasnt on par with ps

i dont know what you mean by saying the swamp would enhance the wood Lol ,how if the wood would be submerged Lol

dont act stupid here,sm jiraya used small swamp to immoblize pain path then cast the sound genutsu on him or you think this path is bigger than oro’s boss snake Lol

i already showed you how big is druged base jiraya’s swamp ,healthy base jiraya’s swamp would be much bigger ,sm jiraya’s swamp would be much much bigger

sm jiraya’s swamp would submerge any of base hashirama’s wood buildings

no,sm jiraya with 3 toads ,ma and pa can retty sure stand base hashirama for 2 mins,they can counter most of his techs

i would agree about hashirama clones’s breaking hashirama out of sound ginjutsu if you proved that clones would still exist after hashirama falls in the sound ginjutsu

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

dont go around me ,madara who has hashirama cells in his chest ,was able to heal his whole body and i dont want to argue about this point again since i restricted hashirama’s healing

i agree that this hand seal was most likely to immoblize hashirama

This means nothing considering Obito quickly healed an injury from a Chou Rasengan from KCM Naruto with his White Zetsu portion, and White Zetsu is a cheap knock off of Hashirama.

i think saying hashirama is as fast as madara who speedblitzed sm naruto just because he fougt madara with no hashiama cells in the past is meaningless

Not at all. Besides, Hashirama has shown feats like dodging PS slashes and outpacing Bijudamas which are just as good as blitzing SM Naruto, if not better.

that is what happened,hashirama caught ps slash by his golem’s hand and created more hands around ps ,madara waved his ps sword to cut all wooden hands and destroy the golem ,hashirama who was standing on the golem’s head kept jumping on the scattered rocks to not fall ,he didnt dodge it
that is also a proof that base hashirama’s mouktnwasnt on par with ps

Hashirama caught the Sword with the hands, but Madara cut through the hands, aiming for Hashirama, who dodged the slash. Then, while he is in the air, Madara says he won't get away and swings it again, and Hashirama dodges the slash once again.

Your comparing Mokuton hands to Mokujin? Dude, are for real?

i dont know what you mean by saying the swamp would enhance the wood Lol ,how if the wood would be submerged Lol

Suiton + Doton = Mokuton. Yomi Numa = Doton. Hashirama mixes Suiton and his own Doton with the Doton that is Yomi Numa and creates even larger Mokuton. Its really not that complicated. The Mokuton will not be submerged either, because it starts from the ground but travels above the ground.

dont act stupid here,sm jiraya used small swamp to immoblize pain path then cast the sound genutsu on him or you think this path is bigger than oro’s boss snake Lol

Not uo are the one who shouldn't act stupid. If Jiraiya could have made a swamp that would have killed the path, he would have, but he couldn't, so simply immobilizing the path would do.

i already showed you how big is druged base jiraya’s swamp ,healthy base jiraya’s swamp would be much bigger ,sm jiraya’s swamp would be much much bigger

That's pure speculation, and its area does not really change anything as no matter how you look at it, it won't encompass the entire landscape.

sm jiraya’s swamp would submerge any of base hashirama’s wood buildings

No it would not. Not only is it not strong enough to submerge it, nor is it big enough, but it also acts as fuel for Hashirama to make more Mokuton.

no,sm jiraya with 3 toads ,ma and pa can retty sure stand base hashirama for 2 mins,they can counter most of his techs

No they can't. That's what your trying to convince yourself but clearly everyone here know its a curbstomp, I don't think a single person other then you have actually said Jiraiya even stands a chance, you should definitely re-check your stance on this argument.

i would agree about hashirama clones’s breaking hashirama out of sound ginjutsu if you proved that clones would still exist after hashirama falls in the sound ginjutsu

Why would they not? Clones only go away if the person tells them to go away, they get destroyed, they run out of chakra or the user does.