Both eyes are not required for susanoo

[ShiroT]

it is canon. kishi made the susanoo

"exclusive for the game" i wonder why they said that. the whole akatsuki coming together and other story arcs arent canon.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I still call BS, and will always call BS.

Sure, Kakashi could still do Raikiri if he lost all feeling in his arm. But he sure as hell couldn't do it if his arm was cut off. That's how I see it.

There's no reason to believe that, other than to fill a plot-hole. It's still BS even if you can make crazy assumptions. If Itachi did Tsukuyomi without eyes, someone could explain it in exactly the same way, but that doesn't mean it's good writing.

Nah, you're being close-minded now.

Itachi was blinded and had his Mangekyo deactivated during the final moments against Sasuke, but was still able to activate his Susano'o, so it's not like this was a BS asspull moment with Madara.

Just because you didn't understand at first, and are now reluctant to accept the explanation doesn't make it BS. It's simple, you just have to put together things presented in the manga the exact same way we do when justifying why Sasuke has Tsukiyomi, or will you ignore this puzzle because you don't like the pieces while sticking to your other puzzles?

 

[xxSAGExx]

Most of us thought that since Kakashi was able to use susanoo after he only got both eyes, and all other susanoo users also had both eyes.

But shisui did it with just one eye. I wonder then, why Obito did not awaken his own susanoo with only 1 eye? This also means that Danzo had the potential to use susanoo.

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This is the video showing shisui awakenin susanoo from NSR

Kishi did design Shisui's susanoo which means he gave the OK for shisuis single eye susanoo

Thoughts NB?

Obito never had both his eyes to awaken Susanoo until the war arc and he was the one to awaken it, he just didn't use it since he had to focus on saving Sasuke with Kamui. Shisui never had Susanoo in the manga.

 

[The Necromancer]

Nah, you're being close-minded now.

Itachi was blinded and had his Mangekyo deactivated during the final moments against Sasuke, but was still able to activate his Susano'o, so it's not like this was a BS asspull moment with Madara.

Just because you didn't understand at first, and are now reluctant to accept the explanation doesn't make it BS. It's simple, you just have to put together things presented in the manga the exact same way we do when justifying why Sasuke has Tsukiyomi, or will you ignore this puzzle because you don't like the pieces while sticking to your other puzzles?

Your example is exactly the same as mine.

Yes, you can use Susano'o while you're blind. You can use any Doujutsu while you're blind just as you can use Raikiri without feeling in your body.

You cannot use Susano'o without eyes, just as you cannot use Raikiri without a hand. Or at least that's how it should be.

They are one in the same.

The fact that using Susano'o causes blindess itself is evidence that it is rooted in the eyes to some degree.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I though it was established already by itachi and madara U_U

 

[ShinjuMadara]

Shisui was Anime not Cannon

Indeed you need both eyes for it

It's Cannon, Kishi OK'd it AND it fits into the story, therefore it must be cannon. Mecha Naruto is not cannon because he doesn't fit into the story.

 

[The Necromancer]

It's Cannon, Kishi OK'd it AND it fits into the story, therefore it must be cannon. Mecha Naruto is not cannon because he doesn't fit into the story.

Wow. That's not hypocritical at all.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Your example is exactly the same as mine.

Yes, you can use Susano'o while you're blind. You can use any Doujutsu while you're blind just as you can use Raikiri without feeling in your body.

You cannot use Susano'o without eyes, just as you cannot use Raikiri without a hand. Or at least that's how it should be.

They are one in the same.

The fact that using Susano'o causes blindess itself is evidence that it is rooted in the eyes to some degree.

They aren't the same. We've been presented already with more than enough evidence supporting that Susano'o is awakened by the eyes, but are activated with the body. Same way Sasuke has been able to generate Amaterasu through his hands and not through his eyes.

You are just rejecting that the pieces fit together because you don't like the picture on the puzzle, and that's petty. You can call it BS. You can say you don't like it. You can say you don't agree it. But you can't say you're right. It makes sense. There's reasoning behind it. You can either accept it, or ***** about it, doesn't make it any less true.

 

[The Necromancer]

They aren't the same. We've been presented already with more than enough evidence supporting that Susano'o is awakened by the eyes, but are activated with the body. Same way Sasuke has been able to generate Amaterasu through his hands and not through his eyes.

You are just rejecting that the pieces fit together because you don't like the picture on the puzzle, and that's petty. You can call it BS. You can say you don't like it. You can say you don't agree it. But you can't say you're right. It makes sense. There's reasoning behind it. You can either accept it, or ***** about it, doesn't make it any less true.

Ok. Let's say your explanation is 100% correct. I will admit, it's the only explanation that actually fits, and I agree, that is what kishi is presenting to us.

That however, in no way means it is good writing.

When an author requires the top 1% of his readers (which we here at narutobase surely are) to analyze every past scan and statement, piecing together a veritable Frankenstein theory based on the most insignificant, 5 year old plot points, to validate an unexplained situation that at first glance contradicts previously established rules and guidelines, it's bad writing.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Ok. Let's say your explanation is 100% correct. I will admit, it's the only explanation that actually fits, and I agree, that is what kishi is presenting to us.

That however, in no way means it is good writing.

When an author requires the top 1% of his readers (which we here at narutobase surely are) to analyze every past scan and statement, piecing together a veritable Frankenstein theory based on the most insignificant, 5 year old plot points, to validate an unexplained situation that at first glance contradicts previously established rules and guidelines, it's bad writing.

That's all I'm saying.

How does that matter here? This discussion isn't about good or bad writing, it's about whether or not eyes are needed to utilize and awaken Susano'o, and the answers are no and yes respectively.

You can call it bad writing, I call it complexity.

 

[The Necromancer]

How does that matter here? This discussion isn't about good or bad writing, it's about whether or not eyes are needed to utilize and awaken Susano'o, and the answers are no and yes respectively.

You can call it bad writing, I call it complexity.

Lol Complexity. Ok. I never said the answer wasn't right. I just said the answer was BS. I actually specifically wrote that out...

The only bigger POS was Obito's Heaven-Kamui. But that is for another thread.

 

[Xlad]

Here's something you should know: Marketers and advertisers stretch the truth. That's basic marketing for ya.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lol Complexity. Ok. I never said the answer wasn't right. I just said the answer was BS. I actually specifically wrote that out...

The only bigger POS was Obito's Heaven-Kamui. But that is for another thread.

Yes, I do call it complexity. Kishi doesn't need to say "Susano'o can be used without the eyes because the eyes are just needed to awaken them", he can convey it with dialogue, contextual and visual clues. Ever taken a Literature or AP Language class? It's found everywhere in books, the themes aren't explicitly stated, not every fact and idea is explicitly stated, but is conveyed in the things that characters do, say and experience. You call it bad writing, I call it literary analysis.

Funny how you put pieces together for Sasuke having Tsukiyomi, and that's okay, but having to put pieces together for Susano'o being used without the eyes is "BS" and "bad-writing."

 

[Mahesvara]

So if you go by OP's logic, SSJ3 Broly must be canon for DBZ as well.

 

[The Necromancer]

Yes, I do call it complexity. Kishi doesn't need to say "Susano'o can be used without the eyes because the eyes are just needed to awaken them", he can convey it with dialogue, contextual and visual clues. Ever taken a Literature or AP Language class? It's found everywhere in books, the themes aren't explicitly stated, not every fact and idea is explicitly stated, but is conveyed in the things that characters do, say and experience. You call it bad writing, I call it literary analysis.

Funny how you put pieces together for Sasuke having Tsukiyomi, and that's okay, but having to put pieces together for Susano'o being used without the eyes is "BS" and "bad-writing."

Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is all but shown, and is nearly explicitly stated to exist.

Comparing Madara's eyeless skull to Itachi's blindness is stupid.

All the pieces of the puzzle are there to debate for Handless Chidori, or Hairless Needle Jizo, or Rinneganless Shinra Tensei.


Face it, this was an explanation born out of necessity, not out of manga hints.

 

[Karna]

But that's what it means though :erm:

Your sig, why is Shikamaru too struck at Sasuke?

 

[Aikor]

Shisui has previously used his both MS abilitys..if u awaken both MS abilities u can awaken susano

 

[Hattake Ryuzaki]

you can not have a susanoo with out both eyes and im pretty sure they have to be mangekyo stage to do so.