[Theory] What we missed - Madara's a clever girl: It is *not* over

[Avani]

Because he is a supposed savior?



Yahiko did die untimely and unnaturally. I think he just wanted to use him as the Deva Path or it's a plot hole.

Bodhisattvas help but you have to deal with your Karma yourself.

Yahiko was not killed by him. And he had accepted death even before he made Nagato stab him so he probably moved on. Nagato revived only those whom he had killed and recently at that. Jiraiya never came back.

Madara used him for saving rinne for being revived but ultimately he was revived on the cost of Obito. It's not like anyone has used Rinne before to revive anyone and see the effects. If they did they haven't been around to tell the tale. Konan knew that at that chakra level Nagato was sure to die but he might have been dead even if he had some more of it. Nagato probably knew it better about how much he could exert as he mentioned recent ones. Revival Justus come at strong prices. You can't even use ET without a sacrifice.

In Naruto it has always been shown that narration of events may slightly change according to different POVs and that tales and legendary powers are not known fully till you have seen it all. Mist Nins called Sasuke as the one who killed Zabuza. Kakashi said Bayakugan came from Sharingan but he knew little of the tales and thought Sage was a myth. Itachi, Obito and Hashirama explained the same event in three different ways. Tobi's explanation and Tobirama's explanation for his action didn't really collaborate. Oro didn't know Totsuka was part of Itachi's arsenal. BZ mocked Sage saying he didn't know it all either. BZ himself didn't know Itachi gave away Shisui's eye despite all his spying and boasting. If a trait has been used all though the manga then it's deliberate to that extent and fits the plot.

For me a plot hole is something which doesn't fit the verse at all and cannot be explained. Deliberate ignorance on part of characters or contradiction of "supposed facts" due to character's own prejudice which are ingrained by the writer purposely are not called plot holes.

In short : At the worst you can call it merely a plot device. You on the other hand throw the word "plot hole" around so much that I am going to call it baiting on your part.

 

[Honord Sage]

Madara had all the Tail Beast in Him they got extracted Ergo He is dying.

 

[Secret Zetsu]

Bodhisattvas help but you have to deal with your Karma yourself.

Yahiko was not killed by him. And he had accepted death even before he made Nagato stab him so he probably moved on. Nagato revived only those whom he had killed and recently at that. Jiraiya never came back.

Madara used him for saving rinne for being revived but ultimately he revived himself. It's not like anyone has used Rinne before to revive anyone and see the effects. If they did they haven't been around to tell the tale. Konan knew that at that chakra level Nagato was sure to die but he might have been dead even if he had some more of it. Nagato probably knew it better about how much he could exert as he mentioned recent ones. Revival Justus come at strong prices. You can't even use ET without a sacrifice.

In Naruto is has always been shown that narration of events may slightly change according to different POVs and that tales and legendary powers are not known fully till you have seen it all. Mist Nins called Sasuke as the one who killed Zabuza. Kakashi said Bayakugan came from Sharingan but he knew little of the tales and thought Sage was a myth. Itachi, Obito and Hashirama explained the same event in three different ways. Obito's explanation and Tobirama's explanation for his action didn't really collaborate. Oro didn't know Totsuka was part of Itachi's arsenal. Sage didn't know it all either. If a trait has been used all though the manga then it's deliberate to an extent and to suit the plot.

For me a plot hole is something which doesn't fit the verse at all and cannot be explained. Deliberate ignorance on part of characters or contradiction of facts due to character's own prejudice which are ingrained by the writer purposely are not called plot holes. You on the other hand throw it around so much that I am going to call it baiting on your part.

I agree, people throw the plot hole card around so often, for things that really aren't plot holes and the same with "ass pulls." Granted there are few, but most of the things that are happening and have happened were being foreshadowed since day one. In the very beginning of Naruto Shippuden Kurama tells Sasuke he is similar to Madara Uchiha, who had not been introduced into the series yet. The sage of six paths etc was repeatedly foreshadowed throughout the series, and the ten tails was announced fairly early on. There are a lot of things in the series that seem to pop up from out of no where, but have been being hinted at for volumes. Some things were even being foreshadowed in the original naruto.

 

[Seventh Sama]

He lost his hashirama powers tho. (Hashi boobs is gone)

 

[Byron123]

And also there is something eelse here: Juubi is supposed to be the exception in the rule but yet Hago said that madara would die either way.

 

[Seventh Sama]

And also there is something eelse here: Juubi is supposed to be the exception in the rule but yet Hago said that madara would die either way.

The rule is only an exception if you have the gedo mazo sealed in your body.
Madaea clearly didnt haven't in him so death was inevitable.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

The rule is only an exception if you have the gedo mazo sealed in your body.
Madaea clearly didnt haven't in him so death was inevitable.

They would have used the ten tails chakra in his legs to save him. It worked with Naruto.

 

[Slifer]

So you say first madara pannel seen with double rinnegan and bot pannel izanagi? I thought the same but people say he normal MS eye you troll.

Some others say cause he dies the rinnegan is going away he gets his normal eyes back, but when nagato died the rinnegan was still in his corpse and got stolen bei Tobi. This bot pannel is up to sth. I HONESTLY HOPE

 

[Bronze]

The rule is only an exception if you have the gedo mazo sealed in your body.
Madaea clearly didnt haven't in him so death was inevitable.

White Zetsu and Spiral Zetsu are still there; they can offer their bodies as support for Madara.

OT: It would be a good plot-twist, but I doubt that would happen.​

 

[Seventh Sama]

They would have used the ten tails chakra in his legs to save him. It worked with Naruto.

No bro, You need the entire bijuu in order not to die.
Naruto had pieces of the bijuus chakra in his body yet he was still dying.

 

[Jnaru]

Y would the sage will save him, it's not his era, he isn't supposed to b alive here .

Like minato said they don't belong here can't stay here forever while he cld haves stayed at least to celebrate naruto birthday

Plus sage is going to grant rinnegan rebirth to naruto to revive neji,

 

[Seventh Sama]

White Zetsu and Spiral Zetsu are still there; they can offer their bodies as support for Madara.

OT: It would be a good plot-twist, but I doubt that would happen.​

That's if they are truly loyal to him, They could just be pretending to be loyal to madz just like how bz was.

 

[Jnaru]

That's if they are truly loyal to him, They could just be pretending to be loyal to madz just like how bz was.

Yeah I too think he was loyal to kaguya, he knew wat was coming wen IT started he disappeared at the same time
Plus he can only take over alive bodies not dead

 

[MAN OF SIN]

No bro, You need the entire bijuu in order not to die.
Naruto had pieces of the bijuus chakra in his body yet he was still dying.

Killer Bee stays otherwise.

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

White Zetsu and Spiral Zetsu are still there; they can offer their bodies as support for Madara.

OT: It would be a good plot-twist, but I doubt that would happen.​

This^^ exactly what I think!(SZ must have a role)

 

[Seventh Sama]

Yeah I too think he was loyal to kaguya, he knew wat was coming wen IT started he disappeared at the same time
Plus he can only take over alive bodies not dead

Yes, Tho I do wonder where he and white zetsu went....

Killer Bee stays otherwise.

I don't even think it was explained how he survived.
or did I miss something?

 

[Angelic.]

Killer Bee stays otherwise.

good point. madara wiil have to touch his own legs lol. spiral could be a suit to move in for him. this is just fun predictions as usual but its possible.

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

Yeah I too think he was loyal to kaguya, he knew wat was coming wen IT started he disappeared at the same time
Plus he can only take over alive bodies not dead

Even If we think like that... You leave a guy, especially the original owner of the Rinnegan there to die? I am expecting a plot-twist... And maybe SZ(more) or Orochimaru play a role in that plot-twist...

 

[Seventh Sama]

Even If we think like that... You leave a guy, especially the original owner of the Rinnegan there to die? I am expecting a plot-twist... And maybe SZ(more) or Orochimaru play a role in that plot-twist...

Rinnegan is rinnegone :|

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

good point. madara wiil have to touch his own legs lol. spiral could be a suit to move in for him. this is just fun predictions as usual but its possible.

I agree! I forgot about Killer Bee... There are ways to save Madara but...