Why aren't there more Kakashis?

[kaiyokoon]

This thought occurred to me while I was watching the cutscenes from revolution. Based on what we know about the series we can safely say a few things. The Uchiha clan that lived in the village had several sharingan users. All of those users were less than skilled, in fact some were relatively unskilled children, at least unskilled compared to the level of danger they were being placed into (case and point, Obito as a child). The village did not place a particular priority on safe-guarding the sharingan from falling into enemy hands, especially during wartime.

So how exactly is it possible that no one other than Kakashi and Danzo ever managed to take someone's sharingan? If there's anything that the mission Kakashi's team was sent on teaches us, it's that a three-man cell can very possibly get overwhelmed by a larger squad of enemies, and during wars it was basically inevitable. The village had no qualms with sending out Obito or Sasuke as children, despite both having the sharingan and despite the knowledge that every village would jump at the chance to snatch just one of their eyes. Just statistically speaking, some of the Uchiha had to have been just north of being fodder AND have the sharingan, so how was it that none of them happened to be killed during combat and their eyes stolen? Even a partial tomo sharingan would grant any regular ninja an enormous advantage in combat, so even the sharingan of the worst Uchiha would be immeasurably useful to virtually anyone.

For that matter, how is it possible Orochimaru couldn't just abduct some fodder Uchiha and take their sharingan during the course of a mission? Of course he was selective, and obviously wanted the best eyes he could get his hands on, but nonetheless any sharingan at all is still better than none, especially since just the base 3 tomo sharingan would grant him the ability to copy and memorize jutsu.

 

[Zook1]

Kakashi was a unique case!

 

[Trúth]

So you are suggested that villagers would dare try and steal from the Uchiha?

 

[kaiyokoon]

So you are suggested that villagers would dare try and steal from the Uchiha?

As a clan, no, as individuals, hell yes. Seriously if you were a jounin or on a team of jounin from an enemy village and you saw Obito running around the woods with the sharingan, would you think twice about plucking out his eye before he even knows what's going on?

 

[Trúth]

As a clan, no, as individuals, hell yes. Seriously if you were a jounin or on a team of jounin from an enemy village and you saw Obito running around the woods with the sharingan, would you think twice about plucking out his eye before he even knows what's going on?

Do you think the Uchiha would just ignore that an Uchiha(especially one wielding sharingan) had gone missing? There would have been investigations, people would have been caught. The Leaf Village isn't like that anyway, only darker characters like Danzo think that way. The Uchiha were very well respected and feared. I think even one as pathetic as Obito would have been considered a threat.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Dude, Obito kumai'd himself back to life, Naruto was Jesus, anybody that tries to fit any kind of logic into Naruto should see a psychologist.

 

[Amazeballs]

Despite the massive amount of eye-swapping in this manga, characters still need to be somewhat unique... it's a story, not reality. We have seen cases where people obtained a rare Doujutsu in war (Ao).

 

[kaiyokoon]

Do you think the Uchiha would just ignore that an Uchiha(especially one wielding sharingan) had gone missing? There would have been investigations, people would have been caught. The Leaf Village isn't like that anyway, only darker characters like Danzo think that way. The Uchiha were very well respected and feared. I think even one as pathetic as Obito would have been considered a threat.

The earlier arcs already showed us that villages were actively trying to steal Byakugan and had no qualms doing so despite the threat of retaliation. Aside from that, there's no way the leaf would wage war on an entire village over one sharingan. Both Obito and Sasuke had clear Uchiha fans on their clothing, and neither one was feared by the enemies they were shown encountering.

 

[To Whatever]

I can imagine a massive surge of MS and people going batshit crazy with power.

Then massive periods of blindness.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Do you think the Uchiha would just ignore that an Uchiha(especially one wielding sharingan) had gone missing? There would have been investigations, people would have been caught. The Leaf Village isn't like that anyway, only darker characters like Danzo think that way. The Uchiha were very well respected and feared. I think even one as pathetic as Obito would have been considered a threat.

Why character bash, and nope Uchiha were discriminated against, also in war, they could easily get away with stealing the eyes.

 

[Trúth]

The earlier arcs already showed us that villages were actively trying to steal Byakugan and had no qualms doing so despite the threat of retaliation. Aside from that, there's no way the leaf would wage war on an entire village over one sharingan. Both Obito and Sasuke had clear Uchiha fans on their clothing, and neither one was feared by the enemies they were shown encountering.

I misunderstood your question, I thought you were speaking of only the Leaf. I'm sure the other villages would have made attempts especially the Hidden Cloud. Still you can't make decisions on whether the Uchiha were feared by the other Villages by that. Sasuke and Obito only ever went up against tough opponents. You can't expect the Raikage to be afraid for instance.

Why character bash, and nope Uchiha were discriminated against, also in war, they could easily get away with stealing the eyes.

Obito was pathetic as a kid Uchiha. I'd love to see you argue that he wasn't. It's not bashing it's harsh truth. Yes they were discriminated against but go back to Part one. Wasn't everyone fawning over Sasuke because he was an Uchiha? It wouldn't be easy.

 

[kaiyokoon]

I can imagine a massive surge of MS and people going batshit crazy with power.

Then massive periods of blindness.

Depends how crazy they went with it, Kakashi got to 30 without going completely blind, and even that was after spamming the hell out of his MS ability. If they stuck with base sharingan they'd be set for life though, and even base is damn scary in the hands of a non-Uchiha.

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I misunderstood your question, I thought you were speaking of only the Leaf. I'm sure the other villages would have made attempts especially the Hidden Cloud. Still you can't make decisions on whether the Uchiha were feared by the other Villages by that. Sasuke and Obito only ever went up against tough opponents. You can't expect the Raikage to be afraid for instance.

I was speaking more for them as children, when Sasuke was older he was much more inclined to be feared by anyone around jounin level.

 

[Trúth]

Depends how crazy they went with it, Kakashi got to 30 without going completely blind, and even that was after spamming the hell out of his MS ability. If they stuck with base sharingan they'd be set for life though, and even base is damn scary in the hands of a non-Uchiha.

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I was speaking more for them as children, when Sasuke was older he was much more inclined to be feared by anyone around jounin level.

Well, all the Jounins were certainly very impressed with him. As far as stealing his eyes, I already pointed out that the people of the Leaf for the most part don't roll that way.

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

A normal ninja probably wouldn't be able to wield the sharingan like Kakashi.

Judging by how Itachi talked to Kakashi in their 2 encounters it almost implies that Kakashi wasn't the first non-uchiha to have sharingan.

But he's the best so he's the only one that matters.

 

[kaiyokoon]

Well, all the Jounins were certainly very impressed with him. As far as stealing his eyes, I already pointed out that the people of the Leaf for the most part don't roll that way.

I think there was a miscommunication, I was speaking of other villages taking their eyes.


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A normal ninja probably wouldn't be able to wield the sharingan like Kakashi.

Judging by how Itachi talked to Kakashi in their 2 encounters it almost implies that Kakashi wasn't the first non-uchiha to have sharingan.

But he's the best so he's the only one that matters.

Kakashi has relatively low chakra for a jounin, despite being skilled, at least that's how he was originally portrayed.

 

[Trúth]

I think there was a miscommunication, I was speaking of other villages taking their eyes.

Hmm what are we talking here? Kids? I can see it happening to kids but at the same time I don't see kids other than prodiges that could handle themselves like Itachi being sent out alone on missions that could bring them into contact with other Villages. Adult Uchiha would have been too much to handle for most shinobi of any village.

 

[Cassus]

I found out where all the Kakashi's were.

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[Pumpkin Ninja]

Obito was pathetic as a kid Uchiha. I'd love to see you argue that he wasn't. It's not bashing it's harsh truth. Yes they were discriminated against but go back to Part one. Wasn't everyone fawning over Sasuke because he was an Uchiha? It wouldn't be easy.

You're right but it is still bashing, there is no difference from this and saying something like "Sakura is fodder".

 

[kaiyokoon]

Hmm what are we talking here? Kids? I can see it happening to kids but at the same time I don't see kids other than prodiges that could handle themselves like Itachi being sent out alone on missions that could bring them into contact with other Villages. Adult Uchiha would have been too much to handle for most shinobi of any village.

The ninja that ambushed obito's squad were adults. It wouldn't be kids going after the younger Uchiha, and as I said above, there's no way every single Uchiha was exceptionally skilled and even if they were in the series numbers has beaten skill numerous times.

 

[Trúth]

The ninja that ambushed obito's squad were adults. It wouldn't be kids going after the younger Uchiha, and as I said above, there's no way every single Uchiha was exceptionally skilled and even if they were in the series numbers has beaten skill numerous times.

Yes but you have to remember they originally had Minato with them. No one was worried. Minato made the decision to leave them with a prodigy like Kakashi, that was his mistake. I'm not saying they were, Obito is proof that they were not. I'm only saying that kids would not have been sent on missions that could have jeopardized the clan like that without a Jounin. As for adults, I think you're underestimating the sharingan. 3T Sasuke in Part one could predict the movements of a jinchuuriki. Most enemies from other villages could not have handled the Uchiha.