[Discussion] Sabo vs Jozu

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What makes it obvious that Dragon is Yonko level? Shanks has hype, portayal and feats that actually support the hype he's getting from fans whereas Dragon hasn't done anything.

Shanks' hype, portrayal and feats>Dragon's...

Shanks is a Yonko, he's the end goal of the MC, he stopped the war of the best with words, he challenged everyone and no one stepped up to fight him, BB was quick to attack WB yet when Shanks showed up he chickened out. Shanks clashed with WB and the clash split the sky, he rivaled Mihawk who is known as the Worlds Greatest Swordsman...

All the things i just said trumps everything that Dragon has. Dragon being the "strongest" is simply a genjutsu...and not a strong one either, more like a 2 tomoe one. The wankers make it seem like Jesus came down and said "Dragon solos all with no exception"

Most of the arguments you provided can be countered by saying that Dragon directly opposes the WG and has a bunch of people behind him which is why Luffy was considered a threat etc (also read my reply to Macho). Im not saying that Dragon isn't strong, im just saying that he isn't as strong as people hype him up to be. I've heard shit like PK level. Btw Smoker wasn't scared shitless when he saw Dragon. Hell, he was more shocked when he saw Ace.

Dragon could be the strongest...but then again he could be admiral level...but he could be the strongest...Keyword being: could. Theres nothing that proves him being superior to Shanks, being the strongest etc. As far as we know, he could lose to any Yonko.

So the imaginary strength that Dragon has is invalid. Nothing suggests he's as strong as people hype him up to be.

I find it funny how eager Akainu was to fight WB and kill Dragon's son yet when Shanks stood in front of him Akainu froze up. For a moment i thought he had turned into Aokiji. Yet Dragon is>>>>>all?
1. Luffy's end goal is PK.
2. Same thing would have happened if Kaido or BM showed up.
3. When BB showed up he saw a WB with lots of stabs and gunshot wounds, 2 giant holes in his body, and half of his face gone. Its not a surprise that someone cocky like BB would think he could take down WB at that moment.
4. WB didn't even put any Gura powers into his bisento during their clash.
5. Smoker was probably friends with Dragon when Dragon was a Marine(not saying its certain that he was a Marine, but I think he was) so he knew Dragon wouldn't try to kill him.
6. Froze up? When Shanks showed up Akainu said "You bastard! You let Dragon's son get away!"
 
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What makes it obvious that Dragon is Yonko level? Shanks has hype, portayal and feats that actually support the hype he's getting from fans whereas Dragon hasn't done anything.
Your comment is definetly not a yonko level comment...

"Dragon hasn't done anything"-Usually Shanks Fanboys(And your right)

As contradictory as this sounds the sole fact that he hasn't done anything in our eyes leads me to believe he is yonko level. The fact that he is prestigious and feared in a world without doing shit speaks volumes of his strength. I'm not by any means saying Dragon stronger than Shanks ..but it shouldn't be a question that this man is a top 5 character is strength and he doesn't have to do shit to prove that. This dude gets 1 panel every 5 years......loll

Fact 1-Supreme Commander Of the Revolutionary

There are 3 factions in the OP verse. Pirates,Marines and Revolutionaries. Dragon has to be yonko level because he stands at the top of one of those factions in the OP verse. He is the last line of defense for an entire army that opposes the WG. People wouldn't step on the battle field with Dragon if he was this pen and paper guy like most people say

Fact 2-He is the father of the main charcater and the son of one of the strongest marines ever

This is a fact that always gets overlooked. This man is a way represents the pinnacle of Luffy's power and charisma. Imagine Luffy at age 40 and thats Dragon. He is also Garp son so that means at very least he is prime Garp level and his dad was able to fight Gol D Roger in death matches

[video=youtube;BUipcxi_8_s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUipcxi_8_s[/video]

Fact 3-The man can call forth storms and has 3 forms of haki and Ryuusooken

This man not only has the power of the storms but he has three forms of haki and he knows martial arts. Which means he has every faction of power in the series. To me Sabo and his relationship in power is like Marco to WB and that means its huge ..and so far Sabo has looked pretty beastly besides people shitting on him because he has a few scratches whiles he is fighting an admiral with a DF he ate 15 minutes ago

All I'm sayin is while Dragon may not have solid feats ..these are legitimate irrefutable facts to why Dragon is a top 5 charcater if not the strongest in the series
 

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Sabo has no feats or portrayal better than jozu had, Aokiji was fighting in war and was pretty serious and was able to take down jozu only after a minor distraction, while the overhyped Sabo is getting trolled around by a fuji who isnt even trying at all, and unless fuji doesnt show more he isnt fighting akainu 10 days let alone beat him, as of now Aokiji>Fuji and Jozu takes it high diff, I said before, in this forum it seems anyone is admiral level but most of them are barely able to scratch them just like it the case of Sabo.
 

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2. Same thing would have happened if Kaido or BM showed up.

With single battle ship? I don't think so.

3. When BB showed up he saw a WB with lots of stabs and gunshot wounds, 2 giant holes in his body, and half of his face gone. Its not a surprise that someone cocky like BB would think he could take down WB at that moment.

He didn't hesitated to challenge Garp and Sengoku and even made fun of them yet someone as cocky as BB after a huge powerup didn't even tried to challenge him.:p

Remember that he was on a rampage a few movements before the arrival of Shanks at MF.

4. WB didn't even put any Gura powers into his bisento during their clash.
It doesn't matter. Haki > DF which is canon and Shanks matched a level of Haki that can split clouds into 2 parts which is more impressive than matching GGNM puch.Hell,a point blank GGNM punch can't even take out BB.

5. Smoker was probably friends with Dragon when Dragon was a Marine(not saying its certain that he was a Marine, but I think he was) so he knew Dragon wouldn't try to kill him.

Baseless theory. It was clearly explained in manga that no one knows about Dragons background not even Iva knows about him and I am pretty sure Dragon would be super famous if he was a marine given Garp's fame in OP verse. But even Don Chinjao was't aware of the relation b/w Dragon and Garp so it is clear as day for me that Dragon has nothing to do with WG.


6. Froze up? When Shanks showed up Akainu said "You bastard! You let Dragon's son get away!"

It means nothing,He was super mad about killing Luffy and even challenged whole WB commanders just to kill Luffy yet he couldn't even lift a finger when Shanks is in front of him.
 

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hahaha this is funny. this thread just became dragon vs shanks. probably cuz i said shanks is the strongest char ALIVE! with 1 arm.
Its completely epic how this post is completely baseless and so much fanboyism influence, I've been saying it many times, the Shanks and Becmans wanks are beyond stupid really, its actually sad that such great characters like Shanks,Sabo or beckman have such a stupid fanbase that is the same like the itachi fanbase where no one makes sense there in the same case here the post doesnt even make sense at all.
 

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Can u name 5 alive characters that can beat Shanks?

I can see Dragon and Mihawk being a part of your list so I would like you to tell me other 3 names.


There is nothing that suggests that Dragon is stronger than Shansk though I can see why some people think that he's stronger than Shanks.

And for Mihawk: This is a never ending battle and I still didn't forgot about those 15+ pages so I don't want to start it again so I'll accept Mihawk as I believe that he can push Shanks to his limits regardless of who is stronger than who.

Well strongest ever
...
Mihawk (potentially)
Dragon
WB
RODGER
Garp (prime )
 

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1. Luffy's end goal is PK.
2. Same thing would have happened if Kaido or BM showed up.
3. When BB showed up he saw a WB with lots of stabs and gunshot wounds, 2 giant holes in his body, and half of his face gone. Its not a surprise that someone cocky like BB would think he could take down WB at that moment.
4. WB didn't even put any Gura powers into his bisento during their clash.
5. Smoker was probably friends with Dragon when Dragon was a Marine(not saying its certain that he was a Marine, but I think he was) so he knew Dragon wouldn't try to kill him.
6. Froze up? When Shanks showed up Akainu said "You bastard! You let Dragon's son get away!"
1. Luffy's goal is to surpass Shanks and become PK...
2. HAHAHAHAHA.
3. alright, i'll give you that
4. aaand? It was a clash of Haki and physical strength. Shanks proved to be on par with WB in both categories.
5. "probably", "i think he was", i could say that Shanks "probably" shitted on Kaido and his whole crew neg-diff which is why he came out unscathed from their confrontation.
6.
Akainu: You bastard! You let Dragon's son get away
Shanks: and what the fvck are you gonna do about it?
Akainu: ...
Shanks : Exactly, not a damn thing.

Is pretty much what happened during that confrontation. Shanks challenged everybody and no one did shit. Including Akainu.

Your comment is definetly not a yonko level comment...

"Dragon hasn't done anything"-Usually Shanks Fanboys(And your right)

As contradictory as this sounds the sole fact that he hasn't done anything in our eyes leads me to believe he is yonko level. The fact that he is prestigious and feared in a world without doing shit speaks volumes of his strength. I'm not by any means saying Dragon stronger than Shanks ..but it shouldn't be a question that this man is a top 5 character is strength and he doesn't have to do shit to prove that. This dude gets 1 panel every 5 years......loll

Fact 1-Supreme Commander Of the Revolutionary

There are 3 factions in the OP verse. Pirates,Marines and Revolutionaries. Dragon has to be yonko level because he stands at the top of one of those factions in the OP verse. He is the last line of defense for an entire army that opposes the WG. People wouldn't step on the battle field with Dragon if he was this pen and paper guy like most people say

Fact 2-He is the father of the main charcater and the son of one of the strongest marines ever

This is a fact that always gets overlooked. This man is a way represents the pinnacle of Luffy's power and charisma. Imagine Luffy at age 40 and thats Dragon. He is also Garp son so that means at very least he is prime Garp level and his dad was able to fight Gol D Roger in death matches

[video=youtube;BUipcxi_8_s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUipcxi_8_s[/video]

Fact 3-The man can call forth storms and has 3 forms of haki and Ryuusooken

This man not only has the power of the storms but he has three forms of haki and he knows martial arts. Which means he has every faction of power in the series. To me Sabo and his relationship in power is like Marco to WB and that means its huge ..and so far Sabo has looked pretty beastly besides people shitting on him because he has a few scratches whiles he is fighting an admiral with a DF he ate 15 minutes ago

All I'm sayin is while Dragon may not have solid feats ..these are legitimate irrefutable facts to why Dragon is a top 5 charcater if not the strongest in the series
For starters there are 3 Great Powers in OPverse which are Yonko, Shichibukai and the Marines. The revs are not a part of that...Not to mention even if the revs were a part of it that doesn't mean Dragon has to be Yonko level. Did Hitler as an individual have to be as strong as Stalin? Anyways, revs are not a part of tye 3 great powers therefore its irrelevant.

Secondly, most of the hype/prestige that Dragon has comes from the fact that he leads the revs and directly opposes the WG. You want prestige/hype that is actually directed to your strength?

Yonko: the 4 strongest pirates in the world
Mihawk: the greatest swordsman in the world
WB: the strongest man in the world and a Yonko
Now look at Dragon...
The most dangerous man in the world: umm...what does that indicate? he's the only one directly opposing the WG and has alot of followers and one day might actually gain enouhh followers to succeed in his goal...of course the WG will consider him more of a threat to them then some pirates that just want to sail the seas.

Muhammad Ali could whoop Hitler's ass any day of the week, yet the world considered Hitler more dangerous.

and lol...what do you mean people wouldn't step on the battlefield with him? everyone and their mothers are after this man. Im not saying he's a pen and paper guy im just saying that his "hype" is misunderstood and he could be weaker than these fanboys make him out to be, "strongest" my ass.

Fact 2: ohh so Dragon is the pinnacle of Luffy? 40 year old Dragon = 40 year old Luffy? And what makes you so sure about that?
Is Isshin the pinnacle of Ichigo?
Is Minato the pinnacle of Naruto?
Is Ging the pinnacle of Gon?

The correct answer is no. All of them have already been long surpassed. Ging technically hasn't since Gon is still a kid but Adult Gon transformation was said to be Meruem level who is THE top-tier of the HxH verse. Meruem rapes Ging. Therefore Gon as an adult is already confirmed to be above Ging.

Fact 3: Shanks also has the 3 forms of Haki and split the sky in a clash with WB. Not to mention a casual CoC burst from him can break physical objects. Lol at Dragon calling forth a storm...we don't know how he did it. He could have the ancient weapon Uranus which is why he can control the skies for example. An Ancient weapon's power is not his own. Point being, Dragon's feat is 1. unknown and 2. Not even that impressive since we've seen feats from characters weaker then Shanks that easily trump Dragon's storm feats.


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My word>Oda's word
I have been bestowed supremacy by Oda himself
The reason why OP has no plotholes is because i've solved all of them in Oda's behalf
When Oda dies i will continue OP on his behalf
Oda himself has certified my word as "absolute"
Gol D. Roger died for my sins

I am Fireplay...i am superiority U_U

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1. Luffy's goal is to surpass Shanks and become PK...
2. Exactly, those are Yonko.
3. alright, i'll give you that
4. aaand?
5. "probably", "i think he was", i could say that Shanks "probably" shitted on Kaido and his whole crew neg-diff which is why he came out unscathed from their confrontation.
6.
Akainu: You bastard! You let Dragon's son get away
Shanks: and what the fvck are you gonna do about it?
Akainu: ...
Shanks : Exactly, not a damn thing.

Is pretty much what happened during that confrontation. Shanks challenged everybody and no one did shit. Including Akainu.



For starters there are 3 Great Powers in OPverse which are Yonko, Shichibukai and the Marines. The revs are not a part of that...Not to mention even if the revs were a part of it that doesn't mean Dragon has to be Yonko level. Did Hitler as an individual have to be as strong as Stalin? Anyways, revs are not a part of tye 3 great powers therefore its irrelevant.

Secondly, most of the hype/prestige that Dragon has comes from the fact that he leads the revs and directly opposes the WG. You want prestige/hype that is actually directed to your strength?

Yonko: the 4 strongest pirates in the world
Mihawk: the greatest swordsman in the world
WB: the strongest man in the world and a Yonko
Now look at Dragon...
The most dangerous man in the world: umm...what does that indicate? he's the only one directly opposing the WG and has alot of followers and one day might actually gain enouhh followers to succeed in his goal...of course the WG will consider him more of a threat to them then some pirates that just want to sail the seas.

Muhammad Ali could whoop Hitler's ass any day of the week, yet the world considered Hitler more dangerous.

and lol...what do you mean people wouldn't step on the battlefield with him? everyone and their mothers are after this man. Im not saying he's a pen and paper guy im just saying that his "hype" is misunderstood and he could be weaker than these fanboys make him out to be, "strongest" my ass.

Fact 2: ohh so Dragon is the pinnacle of Luffy? 40 year old Dragon = 40 year old Luffy? And what makes you so sure about that?
Is Isshin the pinnacle of Ichigo?
Is Minato the pinnacle of Naruto?
Is Ging the pinnacle of Gon?

The correct answer is no. All of them have already been long surpassed. Ging technically hasn't since Gon is still a kid but Adult Gon transformation was said to be Meruem level who is THE top-tier of the HxH verse. Meruem rapes Ging.

Fact 3: Shanks also has the 3 forms of Haki and split the sky in a clash with WB. Not to mention a casual CoC burst from him can break physical objects. Lol at Dragon calling forth a storm...we don't know how he did it. He could have the ancient weapon Uranus which is why he can control the skies for example. An Ancient weapon's power is not his own. Point being, Dragon's feat is 1. unknown and 2. Not even that impressive since we've seen feats from characters weaker then Shanks that easily trump Dragon's storm feats.
2. So since any yonko could do that what Shanks did at MF that cant be used to prove he's the strongest yonko
4. WB didn't even have to use his main fighting power to counter Shanks.
5. Dragon is the son of Garp, and seeing that Garp tried to pressure his grandsons into joining Im sure he pressured Dragon to become a Marine a lot more so it is pretty likely that Dragon was a Marine. Shanks and Kaido are in the same tier, so we know that Shanks cant no diff Kaido.
6. Akainu isn't an idiot, he knows that if he starts a fight with Shanks than a lot more casualties in the Marines will happen, and he would get in a lot of trouble with the WG if he started a fight with a yonkou without their permission.

You get mad at us for "wanking" Dragon even though he has no feats yet, but you do the exact same thing for Shanks, who has very little feats and the feats he pulled off could have been done by any yonkou, so there is no proof that he is the strongest yonkou. Don't get me wrong, I do think Shanks is the strongest yonkou currently, but I also think Dragon is the strongest man alive.
 

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2. So since any yonko could do that what Shanks did at MF that cant be used to prove he's the strongest yonko
4. WB didn't even have to use his main fighting power to counter Shanks.
5. Dragon is the son of Garp, and seeing that Garp tried to pressure his grandsons into joining Im sure he pressured Dragon to become a Marine a lot more so it is pretty likely that Dragon was a Marine. Shanks and Kaido are in the same tier, so we know that Shanks cant no diff Kaido.
6. Akainu isn't an idiot, he knows that if he starts a fight with Shanks than a lot more casualties in the Marines will happen, and he would get in a lot of trouble with the WG if he started a fight with a yonkou without their permission.

You get mad at us for "wanking" Dragon even though he has no feats yet, but you do the exact same thing for Shanks, who has very little feats and the feats he pulled off could have been done by any yonkou, so there is no proof that he is the strongest yonkou. Don't get me wrong, I do think Shanks is the strongest yonkou currently, but I also think Dragon is the strongest man alive.
2. because Shanks did it with 1 battleship and 4 words...not to mention did you not read anything i stated in my earlier post? Im not trying to prove that Shanks>all Yonko (i already did that in my earlier posts) so if you're still hung up on that yhen go back and have a nice long read.

4. Shanks didn't even need his other arm...Shanks and WB clashed with CoC and physical strength. Shanks proved to be on par with WB in both categories with one arm and right before he had used CoC .

5. Again, mere assumptions. Have you thought that maybe the reason why Garp pressured Luffy and Ace into becoming marines was because both their fathers turned out the way they did? Again, both are simply assumptions not facts. Dragon being a marine is merely an assumption. Also, of course Shanks can't neg-diff Kaido but since you're making baseless assumptions to fit your agenda why can't i do the same thing?

6. Again, all that is past the point. You said Akainu didn't freeze and instead called him a bastard and accused him of letting Luffy escape. I approved to you that was irrelevant as Shanks provoked him yet Akainu just stood there in shock.

Actually, im not mad. Im not "wanking" featlessly. Look at the facts here. These are 2 characters with very little showings so what do we rely on? feats, portrayal and hype.

What have i provided you with?

Simple, i've proved that Shanks has superior hype, superior feats and superior portrayal then Dragon when it comes to combat. Therefore my arguments have trumped your arguments which means that i am right and you are wrong.

Im going offline about now so if you plan on continuing this argument then leave me a VM so when i come back online i'll bother to check this thread.
 
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