Konoha 11 V.S Kisame

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I guess you gotta point, to much combos can be performed here.

Lel yeah. Kisame just can't micromanage hard enough to deal with them all accurately. I'd say, give him a competent team mate to run some distractions or deal with a few of them and he'll stand a chance.
I think you mean Asakujaku :rolleyes:

Nevertheless, Kisame already tanked Hirudora, something that's much stronger than Asakujaku.

OT: As long as Kisame merges in time I don't see how he loses this.​

All's I know is it has a lot of A's, and J's. I was kidding on that, but it does give him a pretty powerful technique that can counter nearly anything Kisame has, momentarily.
 

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I think you mean Asakujaku :rolleyes:

Nevertheless, Kisame already tanked Hirudora, something that's much stronger than Asakujaku.

OT: As long as Kisame merges in time I don't see how he loses this.​

Gut was ordered not to kill. That's the only reason he survived. Asakujaku is more than enough to kill kisame.
 

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Gut was ordered not to kill. That's the only reason he survived. Asakujaku is more than enough to kill kisame.

I'm confused as to what that means. When Gai used Hirudora against Madara it was precisely the same Hirudora that was used against Kisame and Gai was going for the kill against Madara. Nothing in its size of any aspect was altered. Deidara was ordered not to kill Gaara and used something as strong as C3 against him, a technique that would surely kill the majority of people he used it against. Gai merely overcompensated.​
 

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The only one countering it is Chouji, unless I'm forgetting some abilities here. Regardless, Kisame and hia display of water dome was performed at 30% of his chakra level.

Yes you definitely are. Kisame can't chase all at the same time first of all. There are other counters anyways especially regarding Sai with his birds giving them flight.

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I don't get what you mean. That's different from the large dome. They differ in terms of abilities.
 

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Choujis fatass shits on that waterdome. He expands.
 

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Choujis fatass shits on that waterdome. He expands.

Great Shark Bullet sucks Choji dry of chakra, forces him to un-expand, and kills him. Then Kisame spits out another dome.
 

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I'm confused as to what that means. When Gai used Hirudora against Madara it was precisely the same Hirudora that was used against Kisame and Gai was going for the kill against Madara. Nothing in its size of any aspect was altered. Deidara was ordered not to kill Gaara and used something as strong as C3 against him, a technique that would surely kill the majority of people he used it against. Gai merely overcompensated.​

Not at all. They wanted to intel
Gai with the intent of widening his scope to get the scroll didn't want to kill Kisame. Surely he could have killed him here when he had the chance . The jutsu was used in water alongside the fact that it passed through another jutsu and still put Kisame down.
 

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I'm confused as to what that means. When Gai used Hirudora against Madara it was precisely the same Hirudora that was used against Kisame and Gai was going for the kill against Madara. Nothing in its size of any aspect was altered. Deidara was ordered not to kill Gaara and used something as strong as C3 against him, a technique that would surely kill the majority of people he used it against. Gai merely overcompensated.​

False. Guy's Hirudora against kisame had been shot through water (despite being an air cannon) and had to go through gsb before hitting kisame. Therfore by default that one is weaker. Unless you're saying kisame is more durable than susanno.
 
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Is this supposed to be balanced? >_>

These numbers are easily too overwhelming. Lee alone could push Kisame to mid-high diff, adding two skilled Byakugan users, two guys with bone shattering strenght, plus many other shinobi with troublesome abilities is just way too much.
 

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^ No, Lee presents the largest issue. With him being able to take up Kisame's time and thought process, Choji and or Kiba can rip apart any shark or water clone sent to deal with the rest. With Kisame distracted as he struggles with Lee, Ino mind transfers with him for a moment or Shikamaru paralyzes him with the shadows.

Kisame's leagues above all of them, but numbers are just too overwhelming. Not even bothering to mention shinobi like Shino or Sakura, who would present arguably as big a threat as Lee or provide big enough openings for others to finish him.

Lee alone can't handle Kisame.

He's a weaker version of Gai, and can only open six gates - it took Gai seven to overwhelm him. They could probably win through a team effort, but a few would die in the process.
 

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False. Guy's Hirudora against kisame had been shot through water (despite being an air cannon) and had to go through gsb before hitting kisame. Therfore by default that one is weaker. Unless you're saying kisame is more durable than susanno.

Not at all. They wanted to intel
Gai with the intent of widening his scope to get the scroll didn't want to kill Kisame. Surely he could have killed him here when he had the chance . The jutsu was used in water alongside the fact that it passed through another jutsu and still put Kisame down.

You have both yet to disprove anything I have said.​
 

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Lee alone can't handle Kisame.

He's a weaker version of Gai, and can only open six gates - it took Gai seven to overwhelm him. They could probably win through a team effort, but a few would die in the process.

If I outright said handle, take it as "Can provide enough of a challenge to give his allies an opening," as I am fairly certain I did state once or twice. But it's entirely possible I slipped and wrote that Lee could handle Kisame.

Lee's more than capable of standing up to Kisame, however. With both speed and a troublesome jutsu that renders most of his techniques useless, and can even provide for Shino, Ino, or Shikamaru to lay down their traps that would immobilize Kisame momentarily and allow Lee or any other close by shinobi to land a blow to weaken or render Kisame a non-threat to the group.
 

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If I outright said handle, take it as "Can provide enough of a challenge to give his allies an opening," as I am fairly certain I did state once or twice. But it's entirely possible I slipped and wrote that Lee could handle Kisame.

Lee's more than capable of standing up to Kisame, however. With both speed and a troublesome jutsu that renders most of his techniques useless, and can even provide for Shino, Ino, or Shikamaru to lay down their traps that would immobilize Kisame momentarily and allow Lee or any other close by shinobi to land a blow to weaken or render Kisame a non-threat to the group.

Then why was Lee almost solo'd by a water clone of 30% Kisame?
 

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You have both yet to disprove anything I have said.​

Honestly, one has to go through a lot when it comes to explaining things to people like you. Wait, ignoring you isn't a bad idea :hint:

Clearly you saw what it did to Madara's susanoo when it wasn't held back. BG and I already explained to you it was in water(an air cannon). What again is hard to understand? I've debated this with you a while back and yet you still argue ignoring all the points given. Bro i'm not in the mood for this today.
 

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Honestly, one has to go through a lot when it comes to explaining things to people like you. Wait, ignoring you isn't a bad idea :hint:

Clearly you saw what it did to Madara's susanoo when it wasn't held back. BG and I already explained to you it was in water(an air cannon). What again is hard to understand? I've debated this with you a while back and yet you still argue ignoring all the points given. Bro i'm not in the mood for this today.

Maybe if you explained it well enough the first time I wouldn't of had to ask twice. The last time I debated with you you said you would counter everything I stated and didn't. Lol, I truly wonder why. Incompetence at its finest.

Gai with the intent of widening his scope to get the scroll didn't want to kill Kisame. Surely he could have killed him here when he had the chance . The jutsu was used in water alongside the fact that it passed through another jutsu and still put Kisame down.

Tell me, what relevancy does widening the AoE of his jutsu have? I'll answer that for you: none at all. If anything that only increased the strength of Hirudora, not weaken it. Again, your mediocre thoughts stray from the original point of what you were trying to communicate to me. I said Kisame TANKED Hirudora, which he did. Whether or not Gai could of killed him after that is irrelevant as my original point stands.

Nothing in the manga states that Hirudora's strength diminished simply because it was shot through the water. Kisame stated the mere chakra emanating from Gai's body was enough to repulse all of the water before him, and you think something as powerful as Hirudora was hindered by the very same? Lol, what a childish thought, though I suppose it's to be expected from someone as retarded as you are. Please take multiple seats.
 

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Maybe if you explained it well enough the first time I wouldn't of had to ask twice. The last time I debated with you you said you would counter everything I stated and didn't. Lol, I truly wonder why. Incompetence at its finest.



Tell me, what relevancy does widening the AoE of his jutsu have? I'll answer that for you: none at all. If anything that only increased the strength of Hirudora, not weaken it. Again, your mediocre thoughts stray from the original point of what you were trying to communicate to me. I said Kisame TANKED Hirudora, which he did. Whether or not Gai could of killed him after that is irrelevant as my original point stands.

Nothing in the manga states that Hirudora's strength diminished simply because it was shot through the water. Kisame stated the mere chakra emanating from Gai's body was enough to repulse all of the water before him, and you think something as powerful as Hirudora was hindered by the very same? Lol, what a childish thought, though I suppose it's to be expected from someone as retarded as you are. Please take multiple seats.

while I'm not going to get into this I'll will explain bold since you're argument hangs on it. He widened the aoe cuz he couldn't hit all the sharks with asakujaku.
 

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while I'm not going to get into this I'll will explain bold since you're argument hangs on it. He widened the aoe cuz he couldn't hit all the sharks with asakujaku.

My argument doesn't hang on it, but yeah I agree with you. I just wanted to explain how that increasing the size of it couldn't of decreased the strength of it. Plus, technically, that's not relevant to how Evani believed the strength of the jutsu was decreased, so I was correct with my statement.
 
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Maybe if you explained it well enough the first time I wouldn't of had to ask twice. The last time I debated with you you said you would counter everything I stated and didn't. Lol, I truly wonder why. Incompetence at its finest.
Uhh no? I argued Kisame vs Gai and you still said Kisame lost because of Samehada. Pathetic. I didn't counter you in the Kisame vs Oro match. The only reason I changed my mind a bit regarding that matchup was simply because blazekev's points were far more convincing than yours and cuz I didn't give Oro the so called Zetsu feats. I wonder why I should reply you when I'm convinced already? You want me to post a thread where you also didn't reply me? Ironic Don't talk about incompetency here clown Lol.

Tell me, what relevancy does widening the AoE of his jutsu have? I'll answer that for you: none at all. If anything that only increased the strength of Hirudora, not weaken it. Again, your mediocre thoughts stray from the original point of what you were trying to communicate to me. I said Kisame TANKED Hirudora, which he did. Whether or not Gai could of killed him after that is irrelevant as my original point stands.
I see common sense isn't common? He had to widen his scope because Asakujaku wasn't enough for the sharks. That alone shows his focus was on getting the scroll and not killing Kisame. The mere fact that he didn't want intel of them(Naruto and Bee) out of the island and he wanted as well from Kisame explains it all. "If anything that increases its strength" Boy please use common sense. It was in frikkin water. Not to mention he didn't know which shark was which that had then intel.

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Pretty sure this is where you're going to call me disrespectful when this doesn't make sense AT ALL. This shows he wanted intel and didn't want to kill him. Common sense says if Gai wanted to kill him, He could have killed him right there but then took him back for intel. I showed you a scan of Aoba emphasizing on intel.


Nothing in the manga states that Hirudora's strength diminished simply because it was shot through the water. Kisame stated the mere chakra emanating from Gai's body was enough to repulse all of the water before him, and you think something as powerful as Hirudora was hindered by the very same? Lol, what a childish thought, though I suppose it's to be expected from someone as retarded as you are. Please take multiple seats.

My goodness. You can use your brain my friend. It was in water. He wanted intel. He could have killed him, it went through another jutsu and deflated. What else???????? The jutsu destroyed Susanoo. I hate debating with people that don't think.

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You need to think. What does that have to do with this? Nonsense. The aura and not the chakra as Gai corrected that. I wonder how that's relevant when Hirudora didn't do the same. Hirudora= Air pressure. We saw Hirudora moving in water and not replicating the same feat. It only pushed water back when it exploded in water. The aura is different my friend. What a stupid thought. Apply common sense next time sheesh.

" and you think something as powerful as Hirudora was hindered by the very same" I should have stopped replying after this quote as this had no relevance when the aura doesn't relate to air pressure and the technique. Hirudora explodes and it exploded in water meaning the impact was reduced. COMMON SENSE. It's air pressure in water you clown.
 
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