Konoha 11 V.S Kisame

[BenjerminGaye]

My argument doesn't hang on it, but yeah I agree with you. I just wanted to explain how that increasing the size of it couldn't of decreased the strength of it. Plus, technically, that's not relevant to how Evani believed the strength of the jutsu was decreased, so I was correct with my statement.

It does seeing as how you believe he over compensated.

 

[Tarinth]

The real threat Kisame poses is Water Dome. When Water Dome comes out, Choji goes BM.
Choji will save everyone while Kisame gets knocked away. The temporary amount of time Kisame
is shocked, the others will start attacking. Shikamaru will use his shadows on him, immobilizing him
temporarily. While he can probably break out quickly, it's still enough time for Neji to use palms against him,
Lee to blitz, Kiba to do Cerberus on him, Shino to touch him (And use parasites), or Sakura to jump from the sky
and punch him. Whoever gets to him first stuns him enough for others to continue attacks until Kisame gets beaten
half to death. Then Choji sits on him. GG

 

[Haizaki]

Contradiction I forgot to address. You said the "chakra" emitting from Gai's body was pushing the water back and that means Hirudora should do even better. Clearly Hirudora when released was moving while in water without pushing it back until it exploded in water. What's funny is it doesn't utilize chakra or it would have been absorbed so how then does the chakra from his body relate to Hirudora being able push the water even further back? Lol read the manga as you're talking nonsense. It was aura btw Lmaoo.

 

[super yang]

Konoha wins

water dome_shark dance is countered by BM Chojis' chouharite no jutsu[/I

great shark bullet is safely foiled by Ino-shika-cho giant yoyo, earth style bashosen, Twin ink Giants, 6th gate whirlwind kick or double vacuum wall palm

1,000 sharks is safely diverted by Nejis, kaiten combined w/ allied earth wall combos flanking it

Kiba, w/ the aid of Shika, makes the kill.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Then why was Lee almost solo'd by a water clone of 30% Kisame?

Base Lee* And, the circumstances were drastically different then when compared to this thread

 

[LustyLover]

Uhh no? I argued Kisame vs Gai and you still said Kisame lost because of Samehada. Pathetic. I didn't counter you in the Kisame vs Oro match. The only reason I changed my mind a bit regarding that matchup was simply because blazekev's points were far more convincing than yours and cuz I didn't give Oro the so called Zetsu feats. I wonder why I should reply you when I'm convinced already? You want me to post a thread where you also didn't reply me? Ironic

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Don't talk about incompetency here clown Lol.

I believe the difference is that while you responded to me I was offline and three other people bombarded me with essays simultaneously, yet when you disregarded my post and chose not to respond you were online and nobody else was demanding your attention. You kept saying "I'll respond, I'll respond", yet you never did. I never said I would. Once you entered the realm of incoherency as you so often do I decided you weren't worth responding to. You're lucky I'm even responding to you now.

I see common sense isn't common? He had to widen his scope because Asakujaku wasn't enough for the sharks. That alone shows his focus was on getting the scroll and not killing Kisame. The mere fact that he didn't want intel of them(Naruto and Bee) out of the island and he wanted as well from Kisame explains it all. "If anything that increases its strength" Boy please use common sense. It was in frikkin water. Not to mention he didn't know which shark was which that had then intel.

Common sense is probably the most rarest of all rares when it comes to you; I agree, seeing as I've yet to see you use any. I already agreed that that was the reason he widened his scope and that he didn't want to kill Kisame, but that still doesn't prove that he lessened his attack's power if he believed Kisame could of tanked it. Pain pushed himself to make a massive CT even though he was focused on extracting the Kyuubi instead of killing him why? He did this because he knew who he was dealing with, he knew Naruto was strong and wouldn't die that easily. That's precisely the same thing Gai did. "It was in water", Lol, proving what exactly? Hirudora was felt from MILES away. It's not being held back by some water and until you give me a scan stating such this is nothing but a baseless assumption.

@BOLD
Pretty sure this is where you're going to call me disrespectful when this doesn't make sense AT ALL. This shows he wanted intel and didn't want to kill him. Common sense says if Gai wanted to kill him, He could have killed him right there but then took him back for intel. I showed you a scan of Aoba emphasizing on intel.

...And what I said STILL stands. You don't seem to understand; I don't care whether or not Gai could of killed him right then and there so long as Kisame tanked Hirudora, which he did.

My goodness. You can use your brain my friend. It was in water. He wanted intel. He could have killed him, it went through another jutsu and deflated. What else???????? The jutsu destroyed Susanoo. I hate debating with people that don't think.

Lol, I don't use my brain? Please, I'd be surprised if you even had one. You are the very pinnacle of stupidity.

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] From his Hirudora against Madara whom he went all out against to his Hirudora against Kisame whom he didn't, both possess the same size. That is irrefutable. Regardless of whether or not it deflated in the ocean, the size of the explosion is the same and so the damage is as well. The jutsu destroyed Susano'o? No, it was never shown or stated that it did. If you can bring me a scan EXACTLY showing Susano'o breaking, then I'll concede. If not, continue your fanfiction elsewhere.

 

[LustyLover]

Contradiction I forgot to address. You said the "chakra" emitting from Gai's body was pushing the water back and that means Hirudora should do even better. Clearly Hirudora when released was moving while in water without pushing it back until it exploded in water. What's funny is it doesn't utilize chakra or it would have been absorbed so how then does the chakra from his body relate to Hirudora being able push the water even further back? Lol read the manga as you're talking nonsense. It was aura btw Lmaoo.

Unless the water hindered the explosion the result of it being under water is completely irrelevant.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Shockwaves travel with less issue in the water too, at least I am fairly certain they do. It might require a quick fact check, but I am 80% certain of this.

In an explosion surrounded by air, the atmosphere will compress and absorb some of the explosive energy. This decreases the lethal range of the explosion. Water, however, is often described as incompressible. Technically, it can compress, but it takes a massive amount of pressure to apply a small amount of compression. This means that in an underwater explosion, the surrounding water doesn't absorb the pressure like air does, but moves with it. An underwater explosion doesn't propel objects through the water nearly as far as a surface explosion throws shrapnel because of the drag water exerts on objects. However, an underwater explosion transmits pressure with greater intensity over a longer distance.

 

[LustyLover]

Shockwaves travel with less issue in the water too, at least I am fairly certain they do. It might require a quick fact check, but I am 80% certain of this.

In an explosion surrounded by air, the atmosphere will compress and absorb some of the explosive energy. This decreases the lethal range of the explosion. Water, however, is often described as incompressible. Technically, it can compress, but it takes a massive amount of pressure to apply a small amount of compression. This means that in an underwater explosion, the surrounding water doesn't absorb the pressure like air does, but moves with it. An underwater explosion doesn't propel objects through the water nearly as far as a surface explosion throws shrapnel because of the drag water exerts on objects. However, an underwater explosion transmits pressure with greater intensity over a longer distance.

^And that too. Good point, Centurion.

 

[makosheva7]

K11 high diff.

 

[Haizaki]

I believe the difference is that while you responded to me I was offline and three other people bombarded me with essays simultaneously, yet when you disregarded my post and chose not to respond you were online and nobody else was demanding your attention. You kept saying "I'll respond, I'll respond", yet you never did. I never said I would. Once you entered the realm of incoherency as you so often do I decided you weren't worth responding to. You're lucky I'm even responding to you now.

Lol your excuse? That's rubbish. If that's your reason it's absolute nonsense seeing you could have ignored theirs and replied mine. Even though in the thread you keep talking about, you didn't reply Centurion's good point. Uhh where you blind when I was replying to blazekev? Either shut up or post something relevant as your excuses and extremely funny. I replied to you but stopped after blazekev gave far better reasons than yours. "I never said I would.. blah blah " So? The point is you also didn't reply. As simple as that.

I'm lucky? Bro please stop spouting nonsense.

Common sense is probably the most rarest of all rares when it comes to you; I agree, seeing as I've yet to see you use any. I already agreed that that was the reason he widened his scope and that he didn't want to kill Kisame, but that still doesn't prove that he lessened his attack's power if he believed Kisame could of tanked it.

You've already agreed? Then shut the hell up and stop arguing with me as the point you're trying to make doesn't relate to this. The attack was weaker underwater. The attack was weaker seeing as it destroyed Susanoo when not in water.

Pain pushed himself to make a massive CT even though he was focused on extracting the Kyuubi instead of killing him why? He did this because he knew who he was dealing with, he knew Naruto was strong and wouldn't die that easily.

Only God knows how this is relevant. So what? Gai knew Kisame won't die easily? Man this is too much.

That's precisely the same thing Gai did. "It was in water", Lol, proving what exactly? Hirudora was felt from MILES away. It's not being held back by some water and until you give me a scan stating such this is nothing but a baseless assumption.

It was felt miles after it exploded. If you can't understand the impact was reduced while in water then forget this.

...And what I said STILL stands. You don't seem to understand; I don't care whether or not Gai could of killed him right then and there so long as Kisame tanked Hirudora, which he did.

Yeah a weakened version since it took out Susanoo. Common sense Common sense.

Lol, I don't use my brain? Please, I'd be surprised if you even had one. You are the very pinnacle of stupidity.

For once, look closely: [

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] From his Hirudora against Madara whom he went all out against to his Hirudora against Kisame whom he didn't, both possess the same size. That is irrefutable. Regardless of whether or not it deflated in the ocean, the size of the explosion is the same and so the damage is as well. The jutsu destroyed Susano'o? No, it was never shown or stated that it did. If you can bring me a scan EXACTLY showing Susano'o breaking, then I'll concede. If not, continue your fanfiction elsewhere.

This here is nonsense. There's a very clear difference between the 2. The difference is that one took out Susanoo while the other couldn't take out Kisame. From my argument with you, Kisame>>> V3 Susanoo.

I don't need to show a scan when the mokutun grip loosened

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When Madara was in a hurry to capture both Gyuki and Kyuubi

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. Until you can prove why, don't bother replying.
The only foolish child is you.

 

[Haizaki]

Shockwaves travel with less issue in the water too, at least I am fairly certain they do. It might require a quick fact check, but I am 80% certain of this.

So you're not sure then? Even if this is true which from what I'm seeing you're not sure about, doesn't change the fact that it was weakened against Kisame.

^And that too. Good point, Centurion.

Desperate? You didn't know that and despite him saying he's fairly certain, you jump on him Lol.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

So you're not sure then? Even if this is true which from what I'm seeing you're not sure about, doesn't change the fact that it was weakened against Kisame.



Desperate? You didn't know that and despite him saying he's fairly certain, you jump on him Lol.

I technically got the science of it wrong,(Unsurprisingly,) but the quote was from an article. I'll link ye' at the bottom of the page. Kisame surviving it is both a fairly decent durability feat but at the same time should be taken with a grain of salt.

Gai's Hirudora is impressive, arguably able to destroy Susano'o. But, it's power can be relative to

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the air to form it. Considering he was going to capture Kisame - It should be noted he was most likely holding back from his quickest punch and thus deadliest Hirudora. Which would explain why one punch from Gai doesn't kill Kisame, despite it being boosted by the water. And another is able to launch a Susano'o back with debatable destruction.

Though, with more considerations - If the distance is to be made absurdly high Kisame most likely wins with high difficulties. If it's anything from a medium to relatively average distance he is getting overwhelmed despite his probable chance to use Bakusui Shōha. It's just too many possible targets, as I previously mentioned. Even fusing would be a lack luster response when Lee and Choji (Most likely,) can still damage him with intense attacks as he is preoccupied with the rest.

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- The bit I copied from is the fifth paragraph in.

 

[Haizaki]

I technically got the science of it wrong,(Unsurprisingly,) but the quote was from an article. I'll link ye' at the bottom of the page. Kisame surviving it is both a fairly decent durability feat but at the same time should be taken with a grain of salt.

Gai's Hirudora is impressive, arguably able to destroy Susano'o. But, it's power can be relative to

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the air to form it. Considering he was going to capture Kisame - It should be noted he was most likely holding back from his quickest punch and thus deadliest Hirudora. Which would explain why one punch from Gai doesn't kill Kisame, despite it being boosted by the water. And another is able to launch a Susano'o back with debatable destruction.

Though, with more considerations - If the distance is to be made absurdly high Kisame most likely wins with high difficulties. If it's anything from a medium to relatively average distance he is getting overwhelmed despite his probable chance to use Bakusui Shōha. It's just too many possible targets, as I previously mentioned. Even fusing would be a lack luster response when Lee and Choji (Most likely,) can still damage him with intense attacks as he is preoccupied with the rest.

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- The bit I copied from is the fifth paragraph in.

Hmm you made good points but yeah I'm unsure about the science bit. Though I disagree with the fact that it has to do with how quick he punches the air to form it since he practically couldn't punch here

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. I think the jutsu itself is a super fast punch formed when Gai uses a unique hand seal. I'm pretty sure the jutsu wasn't as strong as the one against Madara's Susanoo.

As for the matchup, I agree with everything youu said. Could have even repped you.

 

[LustyLover]

So you're not sure then? Even if this is true which from what I'm seeing you're not sure about, doesn't change the fact that it was weakened against Kisame.



Desperate? You didn't know that and despite him saying he's fairly certain, you jump on him Lol.

He is certain. Read.

Honestly, I combed through your entire post and you really ARE incoherent at this point. I'm not even intending for that to be an insult anymore. Your points are so blatantly stupid I truly cannot conceive how people even take you seriously on here. It's truly not worth responding to. You're terrible. God save your soul.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Hmm you made good points but yeah I'm unsure about the science bit. Though I disagree with the fact that it has to do with how quick he punches the air to form it since he practically couldn't punch here

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. I think the jutsu itself is a super fast punch formed when Gai uses a unique hand seal. I'm pretty sure the jutsu wasn't as strong as the one against Madara's Susanoo.

As for the matchup, I agree with everything youu said. Could have even repped you.

Eh, excuse my ignorance on that. I was under the assumption that it required a punch or a swift gesture. Seems like it's not a necessity. Whatever the case it is, it's clear that Gai was able to execute the jutsu in a fashion that prevented Hirudora from reaching it's max speed against Kisame.

I suppose we'll have to wait for the eventual next Data-Book installment to know for sure.

Lel; I got ye' on the science in the manga. I wouldn't have really brought it up if Deidara himself didn't abuse this when fighting the Sanabi and flipping the turtle island with his bombs. To me, at least, it makes me aware of Kishimoto's intention to add that in.

 

[Haizaki]

He is certain. Read.

Honestly, I combed through your entire post and you really ARE incoherent at this point. I'm not even intending for that to be an insult anymore. Your points are so blatantly stupid I truly cannot conceive how people even take you seriously on here. It's truly not worth responding to. You're terrible. God save your soul.

Well I did and he said he was fairly. You pretty much pissed me off from the start. Not like I intended to insult you or anything when you referred to me as retarded and childish despite me not insulting you first. I did flame because you easily brushed aside my points. Sorry anyways. I just hate these situations.

 

[LustyLover]

If it's any consolation, I agree that K11 wins this.