[DEBATE] DSM Kabuto(YounqDebater) vs Nagato(NSUNSR) Rematch

[Eternal Sage]

I love how Nagato should win but the debate will go to Kabuto cause YoungDebater is too good

 

[Inert Brian]

Good opening ^^

 

[Eternal Sage]

Good opening ^^

Was it really necessary to quote the whole thing? You should edit your post

 

[Inert Brian]

Was it really necessary to quote the whole thing? You should edit your post

Done ^^....

 

[TRE MERCER]

Good opening ^^

Can you re-quote it i fixed my opener.

 

[Demonic.]

You the man YoungDebator.

If you lose this we no longer friends.

 

[Eternal Sage]

You the man YoungDebator.

If you lose this we no longer friends.

Can I be your fren? :]

 

[Demonic.]

Can I be your fren? :]

Sure bro. I'm a friendly Senju. Even if you're my greatest arch enemy, if my brother ever tried to kill you id say "no one touches him."

 

[naruto7861]

Can you re-quote it i fixed my opener.

your good....

 

[naruto7861]

Sure bro. I'm a friendly Senju. Even if you're my greatest arch enemy, if my brother ever tried to kill you id say "no one touches him."

Lmaof you took some senju weed

 

[NSUNSR]

You were the savior of the world Nagato, but your were forsed to kill a friend...

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you went insane...

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killed everyone...​

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And you walked in the path of darknes...

But Now Nagato You Have Your Chance To Redeem Yourself, Kill Kabuto And Save The World!​

Let's begin the fight!!!

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Countering Manda 2​

Scenario 1: To start with Nagato will summon Cerberus and jump on him. Since Cerberus has

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Nagato makes him split into three. Now there are three Cerberuces. Nagato is on one of them. Second Cerberus attacks Manda, and the third Cerberus distracts Kabuto. The momment Manda attacks the second Cerberus and opens its mouth Nagato uses chakra cannon, that will be a lot stronger than this

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, and shoots it in Manda's mouth blowing its head off. Nagato has also been shown to get

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hands via Asura path. This means that Nagato can shoot 2 lazers at once. However, it doesn't stop there. The original Asura path could get up to

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, four of them being additional. This means that Nagato can fire off up to(possibly even more) 4 lazers at Manda 2!
Scenario 2: In this scenario Manda survives. Nagato will now

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on top of Manada's head. Finally Nagato

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Manda from its head.
Scenario 3: In this scenario Nagato continiosly stabs Manda with chakra rods, immobilizing it.

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Countering Kabuto's Sage Mode techniques​

(sounds more fancy in Japanese language)Muki Tensei: In this location Kabuto is in a disatvantage, because Muki Tensei here is useless. In Kabuto's hideout there

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. Kabuto

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Itachi and Sasuke. Here though the terrain is plain and there is nothing that Kabuto can use to attack Nagato with.
White Rage technique: After Manda is killed Nagato summons the giant bird to fly with. Then Nagato summons the Rhino, Ox, Chameleon, Crab to attack Kabuto. Kabuto will try to paralize them using White Rage, but with intel Nagato will use ST to destroy the dragon since

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. Nagato could also destroy the orb with rockets or with

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Countering Sound 5' abilities​

Kidomaru's web: Kidomaru's web is a nonfactor here. If Nagto keeps his distance he can simply dodge the web. If a summon is caught in it, Nagato can just go that Summon and absorb the web.
Sawarabi no Mai: This technique is on the

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so it won't affect Nagato, who will be flying with the bird. It is questionable if it will even hurt the summons. Cerberus will get more head from this attack, so this jutsu could in fact be a disadvantage to Kabuto. However, to be sure that the Summons are nice and safe Nagato can use rockets to destroy the bones.
Tayayuya's sound genjutsu: The sound can either be repelled by ST or Nagato can simply use Fuuton to

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it. Since its an open area the sound won't be effective.

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Defeating Kabuto​

With multiple Summons attacking Kabuto, he won't have time to breath. Additionaly all attacks that Kabuto tries to use on the Summons, can be counterd by Nagato. Kabuto will soon enough be overwhelmed and wil need to use Oral Rebirth multiple times. While being attacked by Summons, Nagato can also continiosly attack Kabuto with rockets and lazers. To finnish off Kabuto, Nagato has three insta kills and can also overwhelm him.
First way: Nagato uses CT on Kabuto. As my opponent said, Kabuto can use Manda, to hide inside of it(Assuming he didn't use it to attack Nagato at the first place), Kabuto will be able to survive the CT, but will be trapped inside of it. After the CT is finished, nagato uses his Giant Bird to fly up to the CT. Nagato then uses his Sensing to sense Kabuto's presence inside CT, and charges four chakra cannons. Once Kabuto tries to escape the CT, Nagato shopots the cannons at Kabuto completely destrong him. If Kabuto tries to liquifie himself, the water will evaporate with Kabuto.
Second way: Nagato's second way to defeat Kabuto is CST. CST is so powerfull, that it turned

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into dust. As if there was always nothing there. Kabuto will be erased from the Earth.
Third way: With this way Nagato will use Gedo Mazo. Phantom Dragon will kill Kabuto. Hanzo would have been dead if the dragon just charged at him. However we can easily see that the

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has stopped moving, since Nagato is exhausted. This gave Hanzo

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to use his shunshin.

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Countering Animal path/summonings.

Animal path will be the deadliest thing besides his Deva abilities. Cerberus is put down via sound genjutsu similar to how Ma and Pa did.(

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Cerberus won't get trapped in genjutsu, if Nagato uses

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to block it.

Once Cerberus is stunned Kabuto has multiple ways of putting him down. The quickest would be using Spider Web Unrolling. These webs are chakra imbued threads that cannot be cut by even a dagger.(

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). The sticky and elastic threads are so strong that even an elephant pulling each end would not break them. The enemy is unable to budge a muscle, let alone fight back. Once captured, their fate is in the hands of Kidōmaru. Also, according to Kidōmaru, it can hold more than five tons. However, since the webbing is crafted from chakra.(

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)-(

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). Also yes the web can get pretty big.(

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It doesn't matter ho hard to cut is the web, when its just food for Preta and as you said, the web is crafted from chakra.

Once Cerberus is down Kabuto proceeds to use bone forest to stab and shred the ox and rhino until they poof same goes for the crab.

Bones get counterd by missles. When used by Kabuto this jutsu is also

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, than the one

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If the Centipede tries to go underground Kimmimaru bones ends it. Chameleon camo is completely useless seeing as Kabuto has Karin sensing abilities plus SM sensing. As for the flying bird White rage should do throw it of course seeing as it's a blinding light which would cause the bird to fall down into bone forest.

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The Centipede can't go underground anyways, and the Chmaeleon will be used as a distraction.

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Countering Deva abilities.

Shira tensei- Shira tensei won't be a problem tanking. Kabuto not only has a liquid body which is very durable seeing as Suigetsu got hit point blank range with a tbb and still lived so tanking ST which is blunt for like a blast tbb is done effortlessly. ​

And then Kabuto turns into Jelly.(

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) Suigetsu also had an additional shield of water.(

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Basho tenin- Nagato will most likly go for the Basho tenin rod combo which isn't much seeing as Kabuto can use his liquid body and have the rod go right through him or he could just make one of the sound 4 appear out of his stomatch and grab the rod with there hands.(

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). Oral rebirth is always an option as well seeing as you can get out from more than one place out of the body.(

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). Far to many ways to counter that combo.

Kabuto liquifing isn't a good idea. Nagato can use Raiton to paralyze him, and then Soul Rip him. Using one of the Sound Four is just laughable, seeing that Naruto couldn't even

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when caught by it. Oral Rebirth is an option, but will use up a lot of Kabuto's chakra. You also forget that Nagato has another combo with BT.(

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) Hydrafication is an option, but then Raiton+Chakra Cannon=GG

Chibaku tensei- Nagato is going to go for Ct when he realize how out-matched he is here. One Ct comes out Kabuto has to act very quickly. Kabuto uses Mand II to burry it's self underground this will be easy task seeing as Kabuto has earth release. Manda will most likly still be caught once Manda II is caught Kabuto waits inside it's belly. Manda II will survive for quite some time getting smashed by rocks since regular who is weaker was hit by Deidara c0 and still had it's body intact.(

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). Once Manda II is crushed and forced to poof Kabuto uses his liquid body to tank any incoming rocks. By this time the Ct will have already ended. Once that happens that the tunnel hole that Manda II body took will leave Kabuto enough room for freedom seeing as CT still had holes in it after Kurama poofed.(

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Agreed.

Kabuto then proceeds to get out.

And get shot by Chakra cannons.

Or he could use Muki tensei to pierce the orb.(

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Not only nothing suggests that Kabuto can use Muki Tensei on such scale, but there are also no piercing objects inside CT, so no- you're wrong.

Once the orb collects these little rocks Muki tensei put holes in it. Don't say the orb can tank it because it tanked tons of rocks being smashed on it. Piercing force>Blunt force this has been proven many times.

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Kabuto has no piercing forse to use.

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Countering Nagato cqc.

Nagato cqc consist of Preta,Human,Ashura,Deva abilities. I've already countered Deva abilities. ​

Not at all.

Kabuto summons Manda and gets on top of it's head Nagato will probably try to BT him down Kabuto simply uses giant orochimaru face.(

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). to rush Nagato.

Nagato can use BT to throw away Kabuto and Kabuto isn't reacting to BT. After that Cerberus comes to distract Kabuto.

Once Nagato dodges it Kabuto proceed to use White rage.(

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). to blind and immobilize Nagato.

Not if Cerberus distracts him. Nagato can also stab Orochimaru's face with chakra rods immobilizing him.

Mind you Nagato cannot get rid of WR seeing as his deva abilities will be on there interval. Once he's immobilized and blind he'll have to reply on his sensing abilities he'll most likly use Ashura head blast.(

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). or missiles.

So your logic is:"Kabuto is thrown away. Kabuto uses a jutsu. Kabuto uses another jutsu. Kabuto gets to Nagato. 5 seconds are still not over." Nagato will be able to use ST.

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). which both are easily tanked by Manda since he was hit by c0 and still lived. Once that is tanked Manda proceeds to swallow Nagato and Kabuto summons Manda back to Ryuchidou. Nagato will go along with Manda and be gone foor good.

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Kabuto will be distracted by Cerberus, Manda will be dead and WR can be countered via ST. Nagato can also grow

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to catch Kabuto, and then use Raiton to paralyze him. After that there are 2 ways to kill Kabuto.

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GG. Soul Rip GG.

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Countering Gedo Mazo.

Countering Gedo Mazo. This will be a very easy task for Kabuto seeing as Nagato Gedo Mazo immobilizes him and drains him awfully. Also Phantom dragon is easily dodged seeing as Kabuto has enough speed to evade Sasuke Susanoo arrows. Not to mention phantom dragon is a solid.(x). Kabuto uses Muki tensei to dagger into Nagato stomach and legs to kill him since he's immbolized. ​

Gedo Mazo could

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the Anbu Squad when summoned. Nagato had to be piersed, only because he wanted to use the Phantom Dragon. Gedo Mazo can also use

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to catch Manda and it wasn't even needed to be given chakra to the Statue. Muki Tensei will be useless because there are no piersing objects in the terrain. The Dragon can maneuver around, so if Kabuto dodges him once won't help a lot, when the Dragon can attack again. The Dragon can also circle around Kabuto , so that Kabuto has nowhere to escape. Solid things don't go through humans.

 

[Eternal Sage]

damn, NSUNSR just did work. +rep

 

[TRE MERCER]

Countering Manda 2​

Scenario 1: To start with Nagato will summon Cerberus and jump on him. Since Cerberus has

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Nagato makes him split into three. Now there are three Cerberuces. Nagato is on one of them. Second Cerberus attacks Manda, and the third Cerberus distracts Kabuto. The momment Manda attacks the second Cerberus and opens its mouth Nagato uses chakra cannon, that will be a lot stronger than this

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, and shoots it in Manda's mouth blowing its head off. Nagato has also been shown to get

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hands via Asura path. This means that Nagato can shoot 2 lazers at once. However, it doesn't stop there. The original Asura path could get up to

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, four of them being additional. This means that Nagato can fire off up to(possibly even more) 4 lazers at Manda 2!
Scenario 2: In this scenario Manda survives. Nagato will now

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on top of Manada's head. Finally Nagato

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Manda from its head.
Scenario 3: In this scenario Nagato continiosly stabs Manda with chakra rods, immobilizing it.

One Cerberus isn't going to stall Manda II at all considering it's speed and power plus it's durability. One Cerberus gets put down via sound genjutsu web and Bones forest combo. Manda II doesn't have to bite the dogs. He can just wrap them up. He's huge he's huge even compared to turtle island.(

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). and fast which is very deadly for Nagato. Not to mention Manda II can grab Cerberus like this.(

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). Once the first Cerberus is restained Manda II effortlessly tanks that blast seeing as a weaker Manda was still had his body intact after it felt C0. What makes you think that blast will be stronger? Manda II tanks those puny explosion with ease and proceed to wrap Nagato up and crush him. Scene 2- How is Nagato going to rip the soul out of a 300+ long summoning? He'd be pulling forever. Also what/who ever can still move while there getting there soul ripped.(

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). With that being said Manda II can easily shake Nagato off him. Scene 3- Yepp Manda and Kabuto are going to sit there and let Nagato stab away.

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Countering Kabuto's Sage Mode techniques​

(sounds more fancy in Japanese language)Muki Tensei: In this location Kabuto is in a disatvantage, because Muki Tensei here is useless. In Kabuto's hideout there

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. Kabuto

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Itachi and Sasuke. Here though the terrain is plain and there is nothing that Kabuto can use to attack Nagato with.
White Rage technique: After Manda is killed Nagato summons the giant bird to fly with. Then Nagato summons the Rhino, Ox, Chameleon, Crab to attack Kabuto. Kabuto will try to paralize them using White Rage, but with intel Nagato will use ST to destroy the dragon since

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. Nagato could also destroy the orb with rockets or with

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.

Those summonings can't fly so Kabuto does this.(

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). Or this.(

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). This causes the ground to open up or fall in either way is more than usefull for those summoings. Chameleon is shot down with a bone seeing as Kabuto won't have a problem detecting it. With his great sensing skills(Karin plus Sm sensing).
Kabuto is no fool he won't use WR until he sees the perfect chance/opening. Nagato will have to come down from on top of the bird sooner or later and when he does a bone forest and Kabuto plus regular Manda or Manda II will be waiting.

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Countering Sound 5' abilities​

Kidomaru's web: Kidomaru's web is a nonfactor here. If Nagto keeps his distance he can simply dodge the web. If a summon is caught in it, Nagato can just go that Summon and absorb the web.
Sawarabi no Mai: This technique is on the

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so it won't affect Nagato, who will be flying with the bird. It is questionable if it will even hurt the summons. Cerberus will get more head from this attack, so this jutsu could in fact be a disadvantage to Kabuto. However, to be sure that the Summons are nice and safe Nagato can use rockets to destroy the bones.
Tayayuya's sound genjutsu: The sound can either be repelled by ST or Nagato can simply use Fuuton to

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it. Since its an open area the sound won't be effective.

Did you forget that his webs are senjutsu influenced so if Nagato absorbs large portion of it he'll turn into stone. Similar to what happened to preta path and Naruto.(

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). Rockets get counter via Rashomon gates.(

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). Nagato fuuton feats are poor further more we don't even know how he would be able to use them. Questionable if it could harm them? There nothing but flesh a bones. They haven't shown any impressive durability seen here.(

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).He could use his fuuton like Danzo for slicing. Actually it would be more usefull in an open area seeing ass it could travel and increase it's aoe instead of it going one way.

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Defeating Kabuto​

With multiple Summons attacking Kabuto, he won't have time to breath. Additionaly all attacks that Kabuto tries to use on the Summons, can be counterd by Nagato. Kabuto will soon enough be overwhelmed and wil need to use Oral Rebirth multiple times. While being attacked by Summons, Nagato can also continiosly attack Kabuto with rockets and lazers. To finnish off Kabuto, Nagato has three insta kills and can also overwhelm him.
First way: Nagato uses CT on Kabuto. As my opponent said, Kabuto can use Manda, to hide inside of it(Assuming he didn't use it to attack Nagato at the first place), Kabuto will be able to survive the CT, but will be trapped inside of it. After the CT is finished, nagato uses his Giant Bird to fly up to the CT. Nagato then uses his Sensing to sense Kabuto's presence inside CT, and charges four chakra cannons. Once Kabuto tries to escape the CT, Nagato shopots the cannons at Kabuto completely destrong him. If Kabuto tries to liquifie himself, the water will evaporate with Kabuto.
Second way: Nagato's second way to defeat Kabuto is CST. CST is so powerfull, that it turned

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into dust. As if there was always nothing there. Kabuto will be erased from the Earth.
Third way: With this way Nagato will use Gedo Mazo. Phantom Dragon will kill Kabuto. Hanzo would have been dead if the dragon just charged at him. However we can easily see that the

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has stopped moving, since Nagato is exhausted. This gave Hanzo

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to use his shunshin.

Kabuto summonings are wrecked. Manda and Manda II plus bones forest would be enough. Also you talk as ST won't affect his summoings same goes for his rockets. Not a chance once Manda is crushed Kabuto proceeds to use muki tensei and he can push the rocks out of his way/or make a path way so he can have an extremely easy way out. With this method he can also use the rocks to attack Nagato if he gets close range. What destructive feats does there cannons have honestly? Full ST is beyond easy to counter. Kabuto could jump inside Manda II nose like he did in cannon.(

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). Once he's inside Manda they proceed to go underground. Liquid body tanked a tbb point blank range.(

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). with that being said CT is tanked or evoided. Nagato using Gedo Mazo is a suicide mission as i've stated before. He becomes un-movable. and the phantom dragon has no notable speed feats suggesting it can catch Kabuto. Muki tensei rocks comes up from the ground a pierce Nagato legs and stomach to kill him.

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Cerberus won't get trapped in genjutsu, if Nagato uses

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to block it.

It doesn't matter ho hard to cut is the web, when its just food for Preta and as you said, the web is crafted from chakra.

Bones get counterd by missles. When used by Kabuto this jutsu is also

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, than the one

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.

The Centipede can't go underground anyways, and the Chmaeleon will be used as a distraction.

And then Kabuto turns into Jelly.(

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) Suigetsu also had an additional shield of water.(

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)

Kabuto liquifing isn't a good idea. Nagato can use Raiton to paralyze him, and then Soul Rip him. Using one of the Sound Four is just laughable, seeing that Naruto couldn't even

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when caught by it. Oral Rebirth is an option, but will use up a lot of Kabuto's chakra. You also forget that Nagato has another combo with BT.(

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) Hydrafication is an option, but then Raiton+Chakra Cannon=GG.

Nagato fuuton abilities are featless like i said above his fuuton could be slicing instead of blowing. Preta is countered seeing as his webs are senjutsu filled. What makes you think his bones are weaker than Kimmimaru's? Kabuto bones are senjutsu inhanced if anything they should be stronger. You have a point there. Nagato ration is featless. Kabuto uses body fluids.(

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). not water so ration isn't a counter for it. Inb4 you say ration travels through all h20 ration doesn't travel through Lava,Acid,Oil, these things are all liquid fluids/h20. Kabuto simply uses oral re-birth. Sending a rock near Kabuto is useless he'll just simply tank it or use oral rebirth or use Kimmiaru bones to cut it to pierces.

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Agreed.

And get shot by Chakra cannons.

Not only nothing suggests that Kabuto can use Muki Tensei on such scale, but there are also no piercing objects inside CT, so no- you're wrong.

Kabuto has no piercing forse to use.

Not at all.

Nagato can use BT to throw away Kabuto and Kabuto isn't reacting to BT. After that Cerberus comes to distract Kabuto.

Not if Cerberus distracts him. Nagato can also stab Orochimaru's face with chakra rods immobilizing him.

So your logic is:"Kabuto is thrown away. Kabuto uses a jutsu. Kabuto uses another jutsu. Kabuto gets to Nagato. 5 seconds are still not over." Nagato will be able to use ST.

Kabuto will be distracted by Cerberus, Manda will be dead and WR can be countered via ST. Nagato can also grow

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to catch Kabuto, and then use Raiton to paralyze him. After that there are 2 ways to kill Kabuto.

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GG. Soul Rip GG.

Gedo Mazo could

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the Anbu Squad when summoned. Nagato had to be piersed, only because he wanted to use the Phantom Dragon. Gedo Mazo can also use

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to catch Manda and it wasn't even needed to be given chakra to the Statue. Muki Tensei will be useless because there are no piersing objects in the terrain. The Dragon can maneuver around, so if Kabuto dodges him once won't help a lot, when the Dragon can attack again. The Dragon can also circle around Kabuto , so that Kabuto has nowhere to escape. Solid things don't go through humans.

You have very good arguments i cannot deny that but my other argument above is a much better way to get rid of CT. Why isn't Kabuto reacting to BT he has great sensing skills and good speed feats. A rod going into that Orochimaru face isn't going to stop it's movement. You have to hit your opponent with multiple rods to stop them from moving not just one. Seeing as Jiraiya.(

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). Kakashi.(

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). were all hit by rods and were perfectly fine.(Besides a stab wound). Kabuto can use Manda and Manda II don't forget. If he tries to reach for Kabuto then this happens.(

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). He can control the ground so making spears shoot out of the ground is very possible. Phantom dragon ran straight into the earth and caused rocks to shoot up in the air it clearly is solid.
GG

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[naruto7861]

I was with nagato before this now I'm Imight change my mind this debate is good rep for both

 

[NSUNSR]

The time has comed...

Yahiko, Konan join me now, give me your powers and let's make a final stand together!

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He has chalanged us again...
...it's time to put him again where he belongs...

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Nagato's mastery of the 5 elements and their respective use​

Nagato's Rinnengan enabled him the greatest control of the 5 elements. Not only was he able to lean all jutsu's Jiraya tauht him, but he also mastered all 5 elements,when he was 10 years old! He can even use any jutsu he desires.(

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) Ibiki also stated that you can use all jutsu's with the Rinnengan(obviosly without KKG)(

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). Nagato also has a massive chakra pool, and will easily be able to use any elemental jutsu, even when it is on a large scale.
This is how different Elements will help:
Fuuton:Fuuton can be used to block sound genjutsu, and can also be used to cut through Kimimaro's bone attacks. He could also shoot Katon from his mouth and then shoot Fuuton, so that the power of the Katon amplifies immensely.
Doton:Nagato can use Swamp of the Underworld to catch Manda in it. Since Nagato has a massive chakra pool, it will be no problem for him, making it big enough to catch Manda. Manda could move even in fact it was cauht, because Jiraya was drunk, but we also know that Nagato's stamina is a lot bigger than Jiraya's.(

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). Nagato can then use Katon to furthermore harden the mud, and make it even harder for Manda to escape.
Raiton:Raiton can be used to paralyze Kabuto(explained later in the post). Nagato can also use it to cut through Kimimaro's bone attacks or even hurt Manda. Nagato can use the Raiton, so that Manda won't be able to slallow.(

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Katon:I already explained its uses above lol.
Suiton:Kabuto's hydrafication turns him into the fluid from his body, which is still bad for him since the body fluid contains salt which is a conductor for electricity, but to add on, Nagato can can make Kabuto's body wet(didn't want to sound dirty) with suiton, so that he can be electrocuted even more easily. Fried Kabuto, anyone want one?

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Kabuto has no counter to lots of Nagato's jutsus​

Bansho Tenin:Nagato uses

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on Kabuto, forsing him to liquify. Raiton then paralyzes him, and rockets/chakra cannon to finnish off Kabuto, knowing that the liquid is actually a part of Kauto. Kabuto isn't survivng this. Reason is, that Suigetsu's tanking feat doesn't count here. Suigetsu turns into water, not body fluid and the Giant Water Fish

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(reason why Suigetsu suvived the attack), so the blast will evaporate the water and Suigetsu only surived because of the protection of the water fish. The liquid will get evaporated from the heat the rockes and the lazer create.
Shinra Tensei:Normal Shinra Tensi will be used for pushing away Kabuto. ST can push him

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away, so Kabuto isn't returning after 5 seconds. Chou Shinra Tensei, however, is n a totally different level. It turned the whole landscape into dust and Kauto isn't surviving it. Manda could help him, but that's why Manda will be taken out before Nagato uses CST.
Chibaku Tensei:Kabuto will be trapped inside CT but will try escaping by liquifying himself. As you see the rocks have

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. If Manda is still alive and Kabuto tries to hides inside it, then Kabuto can escape via Muki Tensei, but Chakra Cannons will be shot at him when he escapes.(explained in first post in a more detailed way)
Phantom Drago:Phantom Dragon

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, so the dragon can circle around Kabuto, giving him no chance to escape and then attacks. The Dragon goes through things, but also causes destruction. Its definetely not solid, just a strange type of form that Kishimoto created.

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Time to counter oponents post.

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One Cerberus isn't going to stall Manda II at all considering it's speed and power plus it's durability. ​

Cerberus is just a distraction for Nagato to attack.

One Cerberus gets put down via sound genjutsu web and Bones forest combo. Manda II doesn't have to bite the dogs. He can just wrap them up. He's huge he's huge even compared to turtle island.

Kabuto can put down one of the dogs, but two will remain. Snakes eat their victims after they have been wrapped up. Boldamn, Manda 2 must be really big for you to say its huge twice.

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). and fast which is very deadly for Nagato. Not to mention Manda II can grab Cerberus like this.(

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). Once the first Cerberus is restained Manda II effortlessly tanks that blast seeing as a weaker Manda was still had his body intact after it felt C0. What makes you think that blast will be stronger? Manda II tanks those puny explosion with ease and proceed to wrap Nagato up and crush him.

Manda 2 hasn't been noted to have better durability than Manda. Manda 2 is only bigger and stronger. Gamabunta's sword

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Manda's skin. Also Manda's skin maybe though, but since the lazer is shot inside its head, the head will blow, because its inside durability is not as nearly as strong as the skin.

Scene 2- How is Nagato going to rip the soul out of a 300+ long summoning? He'd be pulling forever. Also what/who ever can still move while there getting there soul ripped.(

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). With that being said Manda II can easily shake Nagato off him.

LolManda being big doesn't mean its soul is bigger. Ripping souls out happens immediately.(

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)Nagato first

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, that's why it took him so much time to rip out Naruto's soul. This jutsu also

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seing how Naruto used his chakra arms, but still couldn't stop Nagato.

Scene 3- Yepp Manda and Kabuto are going to sit there and let Nagato stab away.

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A single chakra rods immobilizes your opponent for a few seconds, and shows him an image of the Rinnengan. During that period Nagato fastly stabs Manda again. Also, since Manda is hurt from the lazers, he will have a hard time moving.

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Those summonings can't fly so Kabuto does this.(

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Inb4 Rockets, or Fuuton, or Raiton.

Or this.(

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). This causes the ground to open up or fall in either way is more than usefull for those summoings.

Nagato can use Doton to bring them up, but this won't even be needed, because this hole is way too small to trap the summons.

Chameleon is shot down with a bone seeing as Kabuto won't have a problem detecting it. With his great sensing skills(Karin plus Sm sensing).

Inb4 Rockets, Raiton and Fuuton

Kabuto is no fool he won't use WR until he sees the perfect chance/opening. Nagato will have to come down from on top of the bird sooner or later and when he does a bone forest and Kabuto plus regular Manda or Manda II will be waiting.

I don't see a reason for Nagato to land and Manda will be already dead.

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Did you forget that his webs are senjutsu influenced so if Nagato absorbs large portion of it he'll turn into stone. Similar to what happened to preta path and Naruto.(

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Preta

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and all of

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, before turning into stone, simple webs won't affect Nagato at all.

Rockets get counter via Rashomon gates.(

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Kabuto can't use Rashomon Gates and they will use up all of his chakra. Kabuto may have Orochimaru's DNA, but he can't use all of the ablities he of the people he got DNA from, seen when Kabuto used only one tecnique of the Sound 5 and didn't even use Sakon and Ukon.

Nagato fuuton feats are poor further more we don't even know how he would be able to use them.

Nagato can use all 5 elements, mastered them when he was 10 years old and has a large and strong chakra pool. Don't even try bringing that argument.

Questionable if it could harm them? There nothing but flesh a bones. They haven't shown any impressive durability seen here.(

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).He could use his fuuton like Danzo for slicing. Actually it would be more usefull in an open area seeing ass it could travel and increase it's aoe instead of it going one way.

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These summons could

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and this doesn't even matter, because there are lots of ways to destroy the bones.

Kabuto summonings are wrecked. ​

Something we can both agree on.lol

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I know that its a typo

Manda and Manda II plus bones forest would be enough.

No they won't be enough. Also what do you mean by Manda and Manda 2? Kabuto can only use Manda 2, Manda is already dead.

Also you talk as ST won't affect his summoings same goes for his rockets.

Nagato can precisely use ST and he can just guide the rockets.

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(preta wasn't affected by the ST)

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(Nagato clearly uses ST only straight ahead)

Not a chance once Manda is crushed Kabuto proceeds to use muki tensei and he can push the rocks out of his way/or make a path way so he can have an extremely easy way out.

Yes, Kabuto can get out with Muki Tensei.

With this method he can also use the rocks to attack Nagato if he gets close range. What destructive feats does there cannons have honestly?

He can use the rock, but since they aren't sharp, they won't be dangeous and Nagato can dodge them. A single cannon did

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. Nagato can also use 4 cannons aand each of them will be a lot stronger than the one i showed.

Full ST is beyond easy to counter. Kabuto could jump inside Manda II nose like he did in cannon.(

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). Once he's inside Manda they proceed to go underground.

That's why Nagato won't use CST, before Manda is dead.

Liquid body tanked a tbb point blank range.(

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). with that being said CT is tanked or evoided.

Maybe, but Kabuto still gets killed by the chakra cannons.

Nagato using Gedo Mazo is a suicide mission as i've stated before. He becomes un-movable. and the phantom dragon has no notable speed feats suggesting it can catch Kabuto. Muki tensei rocks comes up from the ground a pierce Nagato legs and stomach to kill him.

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There are no sharp objects for Kabuto to use and Kabuto will be kept at bay, so he won't be abe to use Muki Tensei. Did you just ignore my point about Muki Tense?

Nagato fuuton abilities are featless like i said above his fuuton could be slicing instead of blowing. Preta is countered seeing as his webs are senjutsu filled. What makes you think his bones are weaker than Kimmimaru's? Kabuto bones are senjutsu inhanced if anything they should be stronger. You have a point there. ​

Nagato can use any Fuuto he wants, he isn't turning into stone and bones are destroyed.

Nagato ration is featless. Kabuto uses body fluids.(

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). not water so ration isn't a counter for it. Inb4 you say ration travels through all h20 ration doesn't travel through Lava,Acid,Oil, these things are all liquid fluids/h20.

Nagato can use Raiton whenever he wants, body fluids contain 70% water, and in the Narutoverse water is a conducor for electricity. Also body fluids have Salt, whch makes it a great conductor for electricity.

Kabuto simply uses oral re-birth. Sending a rock near Kabuto is useless he'll just simply tank it or use oral rebirth or use Kimmiaru bones to cut it to pierces.

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Kabuto could use Oral-Rebirth, but this uses up lots of chakra. Kabuto isn't using Kimimaro in time, and the bones aren't piercing this giant rock, which is also sent at high speed, so its even stroner.

You have very good arguments i cannot deny that but my other argument above is a much better way to get rid of CT. ​

Of course my arguments are very good.

Why isn't Kabuto reacting to BT he has great sensing skills and good speed feats.

Same for Naruto, but he couldn't react and Nagato won't use this combo.

A rod going into that Orochimaru face isn't going to stop it's movement. You have to hit your opponent with multiple rods to stop them from moving not just one. Seeing as Jiraiya.(

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). Kakashi.(

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). were all hit by rods and were perfectly fine.(Besides a stab wound).

Its going to kill the head, Jiraya and Kakashi were definetely paralyzed for a moment.

Kabuto can use Manda and Manda II don't forget.

He can't use both...

If he tries to reach for Kabuto then this happens.(

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). He can control the ground so making spears shoot out of the ground is very possible. Phantom dragon ran straight into the earth and caused rocks to shoot up in the air it clearly is solid.

Nagato can use Suiton to counter Suiton, or absorbs the jutsu. Kabuto hasn't been shown to be able to change the shape of the earth, he won't be able to make spears, he uses the enviroment, he doesn't create it. Phantom Dragon went through humans so its obviosly not solid.

GG

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[Beans2]

Oh dear. I suppose I should give my verdict...

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My vote goes to YunqDebater


Explanation:

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YunqDebater

-I like how you utilized Hozuki Clan's liquification technique a lot with Kabuto as it makes him immune to chakra rods and many physical attacks including ST can be tanked.
-I like your strategy for escaping CT with Manda II and liquidation. Not sure about Muki Tensei spikes piercing the orb though...
-Loved how you utilized Sound 4 abilities; Kidomaru's webs or bone forest to entangle and kill boss summons; you proved how Tayuya's genjutsu could be useful.

NSUNSR

-You tried to counter Manda II with Asura path and frankly the snake tanks anything Nagato has to offer with ease. Soul rip isn't a great option either due to how long it would take to rip a soul from a snake that large, as YunqDebater pointed out. Chakra rods are doubtful to work on something that big. In fact you left Manda 2 for the most part uncountered
-You didn't fully address Muki Tensei, Kabuto can use it no matter what the location.
-You didn't correctly counter Kidomaru's webs if a summon got tangled in them. If Nagato ran up to the web to absorb the chakra it puts him at a disadvantageous position since he would have to get off his bird. A better counter would have been "Nagato re-summons the entangled animal out of the web back to his location"
-A lot of your ideas rely on Nagato being on his bird, but then you also assume Nagato can use moves which will only be effective at a closer range

Both of you could improve a lot in debates simply by 'visuzalizing' the actual battle and running through scenarios rather than just listing counters to each other's moveset. Think through the chronological order of events and how the battle would play out over time. Also, organize your arguments better and include way fewer gifs of the character you're debating for. To be honest neither argument was very well thought-out and concise, and it looks much better when you counter your opponents' paragraphs rather than every single line.

 

[DrProof]

I'd like to Judge this if becomes a tie.

 

[Demonic.]

I'd like to Judge this if becomes a tie.

How can a tie be possible with 3 judges Lol

 

[DrProof]

How can a tie be possible with 3 judges Lol

I. Judge gives YunqDebater a Point
II. Judge gives NSUNSR a Point
III. Judge can't decide gives a draw. (point to each competitor)

Tie.