Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki: The Last Enemy That Shall Be Destroyed

[Vega]

@all: Thank you for reading , I feel this would be a good twist to salvage the Kaguya mishaps. I'll have more detailed responses later as well.

I forgot to ask why would Hagoromo bother bringing back people that could take him down, or at least give him serious problems?

Which people are you referring to? This is pretty much an ideal moment for Hagoromo, as all the Previous Kage combined don't stand a chance against Hagoromo (he could also send the souls he called back as well), the only ones that could give him a challenge are Naruto and Sasuke.We don't know yet if he took back just the Sun/Moon powers or even more, and they don't have the seal they used against Kaguya anymore either. Plus should he retain a more physical form his power should increase. It's also possible the Fruit will still appear as well.

I would go so far as to say that the Tools were originally Hamura's not Hagoromo's, and Hagoromo tricked his brother by uttering the Kotodama (Word Soul) which would've triggered his sealing, the word could be "Ani" aka brother.

I agree with you there, I had the same

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a while back as well. Damn, that'd be cruel if he did trick him into saying the sealing word lol. I also wonder if there was another sibling they had sometimes, probably not though.

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Excellent work tying all these things together! Using Itachi's quote at the end was perfect to sum up the theory. Hagoromo is always been depicted as being a benevolent yet extremely powerful man that wanted to achieve peace. It would be the ultimate plot twist for Hagoromo to become the final villain. The idea of Hamura appearing from the Treasured Tools is also a good idea. I agree that they will have some role to play as Kishi would not have Madara spit them out for no reason.

I don't think he would have been sealed in the Amber Purifying Pot though. Remember that the Hachibi was sealed into the pot as well after he rampaged free from the jinchuuriki prior to Bee

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. Gyuuki had to have been released in order to be sealed into Bee. The Crimson Gourd is more likely to contain Hamura since that is the tool which the headpiece specifically pierced on the scroll.

Also, one of the first things Hagoromo says to Naruto in chapter 670 is "I am he who shalt achieve peace and order. My name is Hagoromo." The use of the future tense in this statement implies that Hagoromo intends to achieve peace in the near future. If his ideal of "cooperation" is to believed, why did he only mention himself? Why not "I am he who shalt help create peace and order" (via Naruto and Sasuke)? It makes you wonder.

Thank you
Forgive for my mistake on the tools, I'll change it in the OP lol. Upon reading it the second time I see now that Kurama was referring them both in plural, so yeah I'll fix that lol.

What you brought up regarding the future tense is also a very good point. There's so much suspicion on him right now and that tightens it even more.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

The last 11 chapters were a waste tbh

 

[Reboryushon]

Great theory!

Regarding Itachi quote, there is one more that i would like to bring up but said by Kisame.

"I'm well aware that my life has been one giant lie.."

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And if we think about this, maybe we have been reading Hagoromo narrative and panels with the wrong «voice».

 

[Hinageshi]

This theory is a+. I think we'll know for sure in one or two chapters, so here's hoping you're right.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Thank you
Forgive for my mistake on the tools, I'll change it in the OP lol. Upon reading it the second time I see now that Kurama was referring them both in plural, so yeah I'll fix that lol.

What you brought up regarding the future tense is also a very good point. There's so much suspicion on him right now and that tightens it even more.

The only thing I am confused on is why would Kishi have Kurama state that nothing can be unsealed from those two tools when we have previous evidence indicating otherwise, at least for the Amber Purifying Pot, via the sealing and unsealing of the 8 Tails. I'd like to see what the VIZ states for that page. Hamura could very well still be in the Gourd because we have never seen a way in which that seal was broken.

Also, it seems odd that Kurama would only have a flashback of those two tools. Why were the other three not there? I know that at the time Obito was using them for the Gold/Silver brother's chakra to revive the Juubi so those two were the only ones relevant. If the other tools are not shown in the flashback, is Kishi hinting there's something special in particular about those two, considering they're the ones which were brought back into play (Madara spitting them out and the headpiece landing on them).

 

[Incendiary]

Vega, I absolutely love your theory, and I am almost convinced that Hogoromo has a high chance of being the final villain. There are a lot of logical things you mentioned that will explain this perfectly. It would explain why we don't know anything about Hogoromo, why So6P was so careless with the tablets and why he just "stood by and watched his children fight" without really guiding them. One of your strongest points is about "reality often being an illusion", as Itachi said. It is a reoccurring theme in the manga and I could totally see this tie in with the entire flow of the story. You have a great eye for details and logical flow!

The only thing I am now wondering is: was the revival of Kaguya a necessary orchestration of Hogoromo? Was he hoping that Madara, or another Indra reincarnate, would try to obtain the Rinnegan and do IT, and thus "accidentally" revive Kaguya? So that he could finally have his mixing of chakra and be revived himself while forming the Juubi? I could totally see this being the case. Plus, he did look like a creeper in that last panel!

Again, fantastic theory, thanks for providing something quite thoughtful and innovative to read!! *high fives*

 

[prb123]

I can't believe people are actually thinking Hagoromo is evil.

You never know lol.


And madara was never evil he was manipulated but people keep saying he is evil ... but u saw hagoromos creepy smile right?

 

[NewMaster7]

Side note, I know this is wrong but.....I kinda miss those Tobidara theories.

His insanity was enjoyable.

 

[Conspirator.]

This was a pretty good read. The next few chapters will be very interesting.

 

[ugh]

Oh, well that was a dam good read o.o

 

[Rohan]

You should check out the conversation me and Sir Derp Obito had :

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And I see that the Hype of Lord Itachi transcends even the Manga.

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[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The only thing I am now wondering is: was the revival of Kaguya a necessary orchestration of Hogoromo? Was he hoping that Madara, or another Indra reincarnate, would try to obtain the Rinnegan and do IT, and thus "accidentally" revive Kaguya? So that he could finally have his mixing of chakra and be revived himself while forming the Juubi? I could totally see this being the case. Plus, he did look like a creeper in that last panel!

Dragonor hypothesized something similar:

To add on to this :-

A big question that arises is if Hagoromo sealing Kaguya is important for his plan; why wait for her second revival ?

The answer is simple : Black Zetsu.

Black Zetsu was Kaguya's son and intended to revive her. So, Hagoromo waited for him to come out and revive Kaguya.

Now, that Black Zetsu is sealed along with Kaguya; Kaguya would never be revived again.

Hagoromo also obtained both the Sun and Moon seals; the only two things that could seal Hagoromo.

With Black Zetsu sealed and the seals in his possession; no one can stop Hagoromo's plans.

 

[Almighty Ra]

I like ur theory and its very well put together..We'll see what happens it be a really kick in the ass if he does turn out to be the bad guy in all this. Great read

 

[ThilinaC]

Great theory mate, also a great job typing it all. I think I am not the only one who felt something is off after reading the last chapter. Also as for the final villain of Naruto I prefer a lot if someone like Hagoromo or Madara to be the one instead of Kaguya, we and Naruto the series deserves better than the mess of Kaguya.

Also since Hagoromo actually wanted to achieve true peace he tried with Ashura's way and seeing after centuries and centuries of it not working maybe he is going to try Indra's\Madara's way now instead of being a full blown villain?

 

[adeshina365]

Bro, this is an incredible thread. One of the best that I've ever seen.

I would love for this to happen, but I'm not sure if Kishi is capable of writing such a mature story. This would defecate on the face of the messianic image of Ashura and his successors (which would be awesome).

 

[Rohan]

The Last movie is a potential Spoiler for the manga's future or it marks the end of the manga.

In, the movie; Naruto's left hand is bandaged where the Sun Seal once was.

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Earlier, most of us thought that after Kaguya's sealing; the seal lost it's purpose and became dormant; until Kaguya would rise again.

But, we know that both Naruto and Sauske lost their seals when sealing Kaguya.

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And these seals reappeared in Hagoromo's possession.

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That smile when he gets the seals back.

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If we do assume that Hagoromo is evil; then there is nothing to stop Hagoromo as the only things that could seal him; Moon and Sun seals are in his possession.

Hagoromo stole Hamura's power to get Kaguya's power; so it's logical that Hagoromo could be sealed by the same seals.

So, how can they seal Hagoromo ?

Well; there could be a Third Seal; i.e; the Earth Seal in the Possession Of Hamura.

The logic behind the claim dates a long time back given by two theories :-

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If Hamura had the Earth Seal; then he will obviously give it to Naruto to ensure Hagoromo's sealing.

After the sealing and Hagoromo's defeat; Naruto has no choice but to seal the Earth Seal; so he won't get corrupted by it and go down the same pathway as Hagoromo.

Which brings us back to Naruto's Left hand being bandaged in the movie.

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[Angelic.]

yup. spoilers in the movie lol. they might take it back and seperate the god into yin and yang.

 

[Rohan]

yup. spoilers in the movie lol. they might take it back and seperate the god into yin and yang.

Yes, for Yin and Yang to be separated; a Third power is needed; namely Natural Energy.

The idea is rooted in Senjutsu where Spiritual Energy (Yin), Physical Energy (Yang) and Natural Energy (Shinju) are three seperate forces in complete balance with each other.

 

[Angelic.]

or what if the bandage is for the opposite? to troll us so we think he still had it from the viewpoint of a few chapters ago? xD

 

[Rohan]

or what if the bandage is for the opposite? to troll us so we think he still had it from the viewpoint of a few chapters ago? xD

Then the Bandage loses it's purpose. If Naruto has no seal; then why put a bandage on his left arm ?