[Discussion] Did the most recent chapter give anyone else the urge to quit reading the manga???

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I think you've pointed out that which Kishi is well aware of. Neji's fate is analogous to what is occurring in Narutoverse. A trapped bird in a cage is exactly the condition that everyone in Narutoverse is dealing with. The true antagonists goal is to manipulate events (i.e. create fate) to keep everyone trapped in the cage. Naruto's objective is to free Narutoverse from the grip of the antagonist who has thus far been successful in manipulating everyone and everything, even other so called antagonists.

I commend your enthusiasm, but how are you still so confident this will happen? Its comparable to the 8 gates, the more chapters that went by, the more people were loosing hope to ever see the 8 gates. When do you feel the true antagonist will finally be revealed?
 

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You misconceived Neji's notion. He stated all people born losers stay losers. Naruto stated that wasn't the case and proved it. And I'm about sick and tired of hearing this same misconception every week.

You being sick and tired of a valid point itself isn't a valid argument. Get over yourself. If you were that tired of it you shouldn't have bothered posting on this thread, so put on your big boy pants and grow up. The premise behind Neji's statement was that people are born into a certain role in life and regardless of anything they do nothing can change that role. Naruto was already born into the role of being Ashura's reincarnation, Sasuke was born into the role of being Indra's carnation everything that has transpired between them is really only a slight standard deviation from what was "destined" to occur and even that's debatable since it was already predetermined that kaguya was going to be revived and they'd have to seal her. As another poster stated, naruto and neji may have changed but it didn't change their roles in life and that's what neji was addressing.





*Twelve chapters. And nothing about it was easy. They required Kakashi, Sakura, Hagoromo, all the kages, Obito, all the bijuus and several strategies throughout all these chapters to wear her out and corner her. And you lost all objectivity in your criticism by calling something you did not enjoy an "ass pull." It's called a deus ex machina by the way, and you are using it in the wrong context, though most on this site does anyway.
No it's a FACT that it was an "ass pull". What do you call it when an author admits he doesn't know how to resolve a situation and is rushed into creating a resolution for the sake of appeasing everyone else?? Hell, if I were really being "subjective" I'd say half of what occurred wasn't even a fight, it was hide and seek between dimensions. Kaguya attempted to kill them off at one point and when they reunited she ran from dimension to dimension in an attempt to evade being sealed. However, I kindly referred to it as an "ass pull" because what occurred was clearly improvised by masashi and he even admitted that by stating he didn't know how he was going to defeat madara, er go the events that transpired with kaguya were not originally part of the series.




Many video games possess amazing narratives in my opinion, though I'm not seeing the parallel you're drawing here.
That sounds like a personal problem. If you can't perceive anything outside of deus ex then it's just indicative of the fact that you don't k now as much about video games as you think you do. The premise of a deus ex machina is an unexpected power or event saving a seemingly hopeless situation, especially as a contrived plot device in a play or novel. In which case not only does the premise fit this situation but people are also referring to the fact that the ending was synonymous to a "congratulations!!! you've saved the world, you're now the moon master!!!" ending that you see in video games such as mass effect aka "congratulations! you've beaten the game thanks for playing and saving the world..etc."




"We?" You are one person mr. "we are legion!" Do not generalize your subjective interpretations with myself and others. It agitates me. The manga is not over yet and the prophecy states they will still fight.

Yeah, I said WE, know why?? Because WE were told explicitly that WE would see a final fight between naruto and sasuke. It has been referenced in the manga numerous times to the point where it's obvious kishi was trying to give the audience a hint. So yeah, WE.



Right, just like all the shinibi nations forgot all the far worse deeds over the last century they've done to each other. The people you are speaking of have little to no control over the situation and this is a war. If they wasted time antagonizing each other like morons, they'd be annihilated by the real enemy.

Actually they didn't. In fact that was the purpose of all those flash backs and some of the events that transpired. That all of the primary antagonists in the series have faced some sort of resolution be it good or bad. However, the majority of antagonists in the manga have been faced with retribution in some form or another. Why should sasuke be any different?? Instead we're treated to him being let off the hook because of 1 friendship speech. How does one friendship speech negate everything sasuke has done?? Especially when he's made it clear that even though he's returned he's intent on promoting his own agenda over other people as though nothing happened. Arguably what he did could have been seen as some form of redemption. However, the most logical conclusion is he only helped because he has his own agenda in mind and he knows that if he didn't help he'd be dead with everyone else. He didn't give a damn when it was only kakashi and sakura's lives on the line.




And what exactly does whining about it do? If you want to criticize something, be my guest, but don't generalize myself or others with your random, invalid interpretations while having the audacity to refer to your soapy rants as actual criticism. Never did like salsa. The food and especially the music.

As I stated previously, get over yourself. I'm not obligated to create posts to appease you or anyone else and if you don't like it you can go cry about it on facebook instead of being a hypocrite. I don't give a shit about whether you think I'm ranting or criticizing.

By the way, rules and regulations state to refer to the stickied chapter discussion threads rather than randomly making your own, oh "holier than thou."

Well then the admins have done a terrible job considering the fact that the premise of a FORUM IS TO ENGAGE IN A DISCUSSION ABOUT OPINIONS OR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE MOST RECENT CHAPTERS, and considering the fact that I'm not the first one posting my thoughts about this manga chapter I'd say I'm doing just fine. If you don't like it there's no skin off my ass.


When you generalize people with your own self-righteous interpretations, you open yourself up to ad hominem. Furthermore, if you misinterpret or bash things, which you clearly did, people have the right to call you out on them. You stated people can demonstrate their opinions? This is true, including opinions towards those who give opinions.


NO REALLY EINSTEIN???!!?!? HEY EVERYONE WE HAVE A GENIUS HERE!! EINSTEIN HERE HAS HYPOTHESIZED THAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY FREE TO POST THEIR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS ON A FORUM!! WHAT A GROUND BREAKING DISCOVERY!!

And I can see that the point of my post also went over your head considering the fact that the premise was to draw attention to how juvenile and ignorant basing arguments on an over generalizations about a person's gender is. Real smart Einstein. Tell me, did you go to Harvard???


P.s. I don't care if you think I'm bashing or not. In fact, your opinion is completely irrelevant. This was meant to be a mixture of a rant and a criticism. If you don't like it, you can leave.
 
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i think the great toad elder,or something along those lines said the child would be a saviour or would bring about great destruction to the world soo yeah he could've gone either way,we don't know whether naruto and sasuke were the transmigrants of indra and ashura from birth,from what i understand the sage said ashura CHOSE naruto(chapter 671 page 11),unless he could tell the future i doubt he knew how naruto would turn out meaning naruto had to grow up and be a certain type of person fro ashura to chose him,if that is the case then nothing was pre-determined for naruto but he worked his blonde a$$ off to be the kind of person he is.

long story made short,Neji was wrong naruto was right,naruto kinda worked for what he got,although neji was not part of the main family he ended upp being chosen over hinata,who is the first child of the main family, to lead the hyuga clan during the war.If that is not setting your own destiny then i guess i don't know what

P.S:just because you don't like the way the manga is going or a character getting a power up doesn't mean the manga is horrible,judge not based on your personal preferences but on how good or bad the writting




Actually it does, it just means you don't share the same opinion. This chapter was in fact, a train wreck. Not even a clean collision, it was the type of train wreck that's so horrific that it makes the news.
 

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as bad as that fight and it's ending was, i was just glad it was finally over. There's no reason for me to quit now, especially since the story is almost finished.
 
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I commend your enthusiasm, but how are you still so confident this will happen? Its comparable to the 8 gates, the more chapters that went by, the more people were loosing hope to ever see the 8 gates. When do you feel the true antagonist will finally be revealed?

I think Kishimoto will employ the triune again, this time with his own story by releasing a third series. There is evidence to suggest that this will occur when Obito stated that Naruto would have more hardships coming and that Kakashi would be the 6th Hokage. There are also unresolved issues with Tsunade, Orochimaru and Jiraiya (yep). Those three will likely usher in the third series at the cost of their Earthly forms. How many chapters till we get to 999? The tomoe represent more than a poweup.
 

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I think Kishimoto will employ the triune again, this time with his own story by releasing a third series. There is evidence to suggest that this will occur when Obito stated that Naruto would have more hardships coming and that Kakashi would be the 6th Hokage. There are also unresolved issues with Tsunade, Orochimaru and Jiraiya (yep). Those three will likely usher in the third series at the cost of their Earthly forms. How many chapters till we get to 999? The tomoe represent more than a poweup.

You sir, have very good insights. You're the most logical, articulate person ive ever seen on this site.
 

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I think Kishimoto will employ the triune again, this time with his own story by releasing a third series. There is evidence to suggest that this will occur when Obito stated that Naruto would have more hardships coming and that Kakashi would be the 6th Hokage. There are also unresolved issues with Tsunade, Orochimaru and Jiraiya (yep). Those three will likely usher in the third series at the cost of their Earthly forms. How many chapters till we get to 999? The tomoe represent more than a poweup.

What issues are you talking about? Maybe with Orochimaru who is still alive, but as far as the other two I don't know what you mean.

I certainly hope your prediction of 999 chapters is completely wrong. Where do you go villain wise from here after Obito, Madara, and Kaguya? Who wants to read about ninjas during peace time? Wouldn't it become essentially a soap opera like story concentrating on the personal lives of the ninja? That sounds more like a shoujo to me, not a shounen.

But, if you are right I hope it only lasts long enough to resolve the issues between Sasuke and Naruto and returning Sasuke to Konoha. Which if done right need not last very long. Could still be done by the end of the year.
 

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I think Kishimoto will employ the triune again, this time with his own story by releasing a third series. There is evidence to suggest that this will occur when Obito stated that Naruto would have more hardships coming and that Kakashi would be the 6th Hokage. There are also unresolved issues with Tsunade, Orochimaru and Jiraiya (yep). Those three will likely usher in the third series at the cost of their Earthly forms. How many chapters till we get to 999? The tomoe represent more than a poweup.

As always, your response is cryptic and does more to baffle me rather than answer my question. I hope the manga doesn't get to 999 chapters, as it would be bad writing to aim for a number rather than just tell his story. I do however hope ther is a special resolution that may include a timeskip, though I wouldn't want it to last for too long.

You sir, have very good insights. You're the most logical, articulate person ive ever seen on this site.

He's quite intelligent but his theory about the true antagonist is pretty out there and most people fail to grasp his ideas. He also loves to leave his statements cryptic and that makes it hard to understand him sometimes.
 
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You're forgetting that Sasuke's the one that summoned the Hokages. I doubt the Hokages would go up to him and tell him to f off or something. Plus, I don't see what was wrong with this chapter other than it was really short.
 

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......Hehe wow. Just wow...
That's honestly how I felt. The hag didn't even present herself as menacing. "I hate you." was about the only thing she said. Then there's "All chakra belongs to me" and something else. Not only that, the entire fight and settings seems extremely rushed and felt completely out of nowhere for the most part. But knowing how Kishi is with female characters, yeah. It was bittersweet since she's finally gone. But at the same time, it left that taste of indifference.
 
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As always, your response is cryptic and does more to baffle me rather than answer my question. I hope the manga doesn't get to 999 chapters, as it would be bad writing to aim for a number rather than just tell his story. I do however hope ther is a special resolution that may include a timeskip, though I wouldn't want it to last for too long.

First, thanks for the complements but it's Kishimoto's work so credit where due.

I'm sorry if some of it comes across as cryptic, part of that is due to the subjects being discussed and part of it is to leave areas open for debate and discussion.

I originally joined back when folks were discussing Tobi's identity. Even back then I realized that Tobi's identity was much larger than a single person mystery and that the search for the true antagonist was a central theme to the story. A story that is based on a world of deception, and an antagonist who is determined to remain hidden in the shadows.

When will we find out who the true antagonist is? Perhaps 10 chapters before the end because that's the story underneath. Once you know that it's pretty much over.

Sasuke's role is that of the observer. His aura is purple and purple aura people are defined as seekers. There are also parallels of his character and Fudo Myo'O who looks at the world with eyes cocked in skepticism at the deceptions of Samsara. Fudo also occupies the center of the Kuji-in (the nine hand weaves). Sasuke's role will be to uncover the deception, but he cannot overcome it that is Naruto's purpose. Naruto's place on the Kuji-in is hidden. The Tenth Kuji-in (Juji No Ho) can represent two things, to victory or to destroy but that goes back to earlier discussions. Several folks noticed how ineffective Sasuke was against the previous incarnation of the main antagonists Madara and Kaguya, until partnering with Naruto. That is intentional. It is like the Sannin threeway deadlock (another tri reference). The main antagonist is part of this as well. It goes like this Sasuke> Naruto> Main Antagonist> Sasuke.

*sits and waits for Juji No Ho threads.*
 
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expected a more classy end for kaguya considering Naruto and Sasuke having SO6P powers and Kakashi having sussanoo and the monster strength of sakura.. should've been a way more epic way of deciding the war...
 

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First, thanks for the complements but it's Kishimoto's work so credit where due.

I'm sorry if some of it comes across as cryptic, part of that is due to the subjects being discussed and part of it is to leave areas open for debate and discussion.

I originally joined back when folks were discussing Tobi's identity. Even back then I realized that Tobi's identity was much larger than a single person mystery and that the search for the true antagonist was a central theme to the story. A story that is based on a world of deception, and an antagonist who is determined to remain hidden in the shadows.

When will we find out who the true antagonist is? Perhaps 10 chapters before the end because that's the story underneath. Once you know that it's pretty much over.

Sasuke's role is that of the observer. His aura is purple and purple aura people are defined as seekers. There are also parallels of his character and Fudo Myo'O who looks at the world with eyes cocked in skepticism at the deceptions of Samsara. Fudo also occupies the center of the Kuji-in (the nine hand weaves). Sasuke's role will be to uncover the deception, but he cannot overcome it that is Naruto's purpose. Naruto's place on the Kuji-in is hidden. The Tenth Kuji-in (Juji No Ho) can represent two things, to victory or to destroy but that goes back to earlier discussions. Several folks noticed how ineffective Sasuke was against the previous incarnation of the main antagonists Madara and Kaguya, until partnering with Naruto. That is intentional. It is like the Sannin threeway deadlock (another tri reference). The main antagonist is part of this as well. It goes like this Sasuke> Naruto> Main Antagonist> Sasuke.

*sits and waits for Juji No Ho threads.*


What do you think sakura's place is in all of this?? How do you think masashi will resolve the conflict between naruto and sasuke? Based on the way things have transpired so far, I can imagine the 10 tailed rabbit or...whatever it was being the main antagonist as well as madara. However, as another thread suggested I can imagine naruto taking mercy on madara because at that point it becomes a form of attempting to break the cycle of hatred by acknowledging who the person really is instead of judging them by actions alone.
 

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What do you think sakura's place is in all of this?? How do you think masashi will resolve the conflict between naruto and sasuke? Based on the way things have transpired so far, I can imagine the 10 tailed rabbit or...whatever it was being the main antagonist as well as madara. However, as another thread suggested I can imagine naruto taking mercy on madara because at that point it becomes a form of attempting to break the cycle of hatred by acknowledging who the person really is instead of judging them by actions alone.

Sakura will likely become a catalyst that drives the inevitable fight between Sasuke and Naruto, much like Rin. It will probably be her sacrificing herself for an unfeeling Sasuke or something along those lines. Sasuke's revelation of who the antagonist is hopefully will cause him to make a decision, as I expect the main antagonist to target Sasuke. Madara will likely be redeemed and Naruto will show mercy. The idea being that Karma judges all, and since all things are connected to one thing Naruto and everyone else for that matter are just as guilty. Just as Naruto always says "He's just like me" and Madara certainly fits that mold (desire to become Hokage, rival fixation, rejection, etc.).
 
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Sakura will likely become a catalyst that drives the inevitable fight between Sasuke and Naruto, much like Rin. It will probably be her sacrificing herself for an unfeeling Sasuke or something along those lines. Sasuke's revelation of who the antagonist is hopefully will cause him to make a decision, as I expect the main antagonist to target Sasuke. Madara will likely be redeemed and Naruto will show mercy. The idea being that Karma judges all, and since all things are connected to one thing Naruto and everyone else for that matter are just as guilty. Just as Naruto always says "He's just like me" and Madara certainly fits that mold (desire to become Hokage, rival fixation, rejection, etc.).


That actually would be a magnificent ending and it kind of makes me want to continue reading. Just out of hope.
 
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